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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27586406 - 12/18/21 04:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks as always Baba.

What I did with another round of these Pan Cakes is shred them and spawn them to bulk to a couple lasagna pans and shoeboxes.  These I'm going to let colonize further (like in your teks) before casing and hopefully have better results with that approach.

I'm gonna see where these pictured cakes sit in a few days, I'm hoping to at least get some prints off the fruits if possible.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex] * 4
    #27586469 - 12/18/21 05:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That sounds interesting, hope you'll get some positive results.


Harvested the fruited @ spawn tub today, 322g wet



The next few tubs won't be that nice I guess but will post some pics for sure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27586655 - 12/18/21 08:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I’ve usually got about 12% rh on average.


I thought it was horrible at first but once I got the hang of things it turned out to be an advantage. With rh that low you can get insane evaporation rates which makes for great pinsets.


The same high evaporation rate is what killed me early on it’s just tough to learn to control.


I use a reptile fogger on a timer which is vital. I don’t think pans would be possible without it somewhere this dry.


I’m gonna try a jcm chamber here shortly, I’m sure it’ll be much easier than dialing in airflow and fog timers.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27586670 - 12/18/21 09:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Aka, I feel the pain man trust me.  When you mentioned your relative humidity that made me look up the relative humidity in my climate, which is around 20%.  Still pretty low, and certainly low enough to share the same challenges.

I do have a humidifier and I have some extra ducting that I might need to make use of, thanks for the tip.  I don't like to shy away from a challenge here so I will factor this into the pan tubs I have coming up.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycoplex] * 1
    #27586860 - 12/19/21 02:09 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I guess there are only 2 types of people - those who grow Bisporus without much effort, and those who can't succeed no matter what. One thing is for sure - they do knot, and they want to pin, I just have no idea what the next steps are or how long it will take.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 3
    #27587014 - 12/19/21 08:26 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Adas, I’ll be trying to add to the bisporus cult data soon because I’m about to start growing it. I have a nice print already and just need to free up some space before starting. Hope to get it going in January or February at the latest. Will try both indoor and outdoor. I hope to grow bisporus outdoors during the portions of spring and fall that are too cold to grow cyans in order to extend my outdoor growing season. Hopefully I stumble on some success and can share some data.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 2
    #27587015 - 12/19/21 08:28 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That will be great. It seems that very few people actually know what they are doing when growing Bisporus. The vast majority of us will either luck out and have no idea why, or fail miserably and have no idea why.

Best pinsets are outdoor, you will be really pleased with them. They have no problems growing in the cold of October even.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 3
    #27587303 - 12/19/21 01:34 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I don’t know I don’t do anything special for them although they do Seem to do better if you keep them more wet than cyans. They move a bit slower so I give the case 2-3 days before fruiting but other than that I don’t do anything different with them and I usually get decent results when I run them although they are the one pan that I haven’t gotten a 100% coverage canopy with. Another thought tho is because of how wet they like it I could see overly dense substrate being a issue, this is true with all pans which is why I try to keep my sub as fluffy as possible.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 2
    #27587317 - 12/19/21 01:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I really don't think substrate fluffines has anything at all to do with fruiting. You are using a humidifier, which is a very gentle way of misting them and keeping them wet. I think that could be the secret, because I have observed that as soon as a water droplet hits developing primordia, it ruins them.

I have some currently colonized in a flowerpot, and there are clearly primordia. I'll only be misting using ultrafine mist from a distance not to damage anything. I'll also refrain from applying a casing for now.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27587441 - 12/19/21 03:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I only say that because I know if your sub gets dense and muddy you will not have good results but if you can easily strain the water out as needed without leaving behind a wet dense mess you will be much more likely to have good results


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27587450 - 12/19/21 03:42 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Pans are easily oxygen deprived ime that’s the most common culprit of a failed grow


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27587458 - 12/19/21 03:48 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

That's possible but I find that they shrink the substrate super quickly so the air can get to it very easily then. Also, not letting metabolites pool at the bottom is good advice.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 3
    #27587478 - 12/19/21 04:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I hope you can sort this out Adas.

Update on my current tubs:

I will chuck these 100% coir tubs today, 2 are meh and the other two are OK for what they are.



I will keep the following 2 around for a bit longer as they have the most crazy pin set I have seen so far,
they will probably end up with a myriad of pin sized fruits.

This is clone C2T4, 100% coir, cased at full colonization, 6 days into fruiting






The other clone tubs with the botched surface are coming around slowly after drying out the top a bit by applying fullest possible FAE.




2 more days and I will have to cull the whole lot. Looks like 6 jars from my next lot of clones will be ready. 2 Jars per clone. Out of the
other 4 jars 1 turned green, 1 has a bacterial spot and two are behind a bit.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27587492 - 12/19/21 04:20 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that a fluffy sub is better than a soggy one during colonization. IME though once the substrate is fully colonized you can
have water going half way up the sides and it will be fine and actually pin and grow on the submerged surfaces.

I really have to work on different genetics to widen my horizon soon as I think the genes I'm working on at the moment are possessed by the
devil. Working on different pan species/varieties will probably come with a big piece of humble pie for me as well.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
    #27587523 - 12/19/21 04:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Those are some serious clusters, might be a monster culture on manure.


All those tubs look like they’ve got some thick fruits in general too.


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    #27587536 - 12/19/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, clone C2T4 seems to be a real pin/cluster monster, I'm a bit bummed out
that I fucked up the manure tubs. Should also grow it in a couple of tubs fruited@spawn.

Will try and run it again before my yearly hiatus.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 2
    #27587759 - 12/19/21 08:33 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting discussion around moisture levels - I am never really sure how moist to try to keep my casing layer. I try to target it being as wet as possible without seeing any pooling. But I wonder if a little bit of pooling is ok? The only way I adjust surface moisture level is by adjusting my fogger/vent cycles. I do have an 80mm fan constantly blowing air into the tent; it's low volume but keeps FAE as high as it can get.

Baba, any reason you only grow half the year? I saw you mention that a while back.

I went ahead and jumped on the bisporus wagon (early) today by streaking some plates to see what happens. I don't even have room for the things I'm growing now but whatever - I'll figure it out. Might have to let some things colonize in room temp (72F) outside the grow room.

Here is a NecD clone culture that is starting to come along nicely:


Took a clone of a clone from that tray just to see if it will behave any differently. These fruits were pretty fat.


Here is a clone tray of BVI, 48 hours after reaching full consolidation and ready for casing. Note the very obvious bare spots surrounding a couple exposed grains. This really caught my eye:


Up close view:


Unsure if that is weed seed from my straw that contaminated before the mycelium fully colonized the substrate, or if it's a contaminated grain of millet from my spawn but one thing is for sure: The mycelium is giving it a WIDE berth. Don't think I have seen something this defined before. I sometimes get patchy areas where the mycelium doesn't cover the substrate as well as it does in other areas but not like this. Because I have no idea where to buy straw that has no seeds, I'm really hoping coir makes a good substitute for straw.

Here is my side by side attempt at coir/manure vs straw/manure. Both subs were pasteurized 12 hours in an instapot and then aged 7 days. Doing half-size baking trays instead of full size for this test, because I split a single grain jar to do it (using different grain jars could skew the results). I'm excited about this test. I'm doing it twice - so, two different jars, each split in half, each half going to a different substrate type - four trays in all.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27587782 - 12/19/21 09:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yay, I'm excited as well about your experiment and good that you are doing it twice and these are fat fruits. Like the pronounced grooves
on those stems.

I only grow about half the year cause it takes up too much time as I'm ending up doing way more than I planned to do usually, although this
year I'm very disciplined but still, also keeping up the temps through winter is just not justifiable in my book if I can have that for free in summer time.

At the end of this season I will get 20 semilanceata jars on the way and once that is spawned I'll just do other things and wait for my
outdoor patches to pop and go hunting for actives and edibles so there will be the occasional cloning and printing but that's it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 2
    #27587793 - 12/19/21 09:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I want to make a joke about dads and thermostats....

I hear you on the time aspect. I spent probably four hours on cult today and probably spend 10-20 hours a week on it. And I'm not even growing on a big scale or anything. The draw is all about the challenge; I'll probably dial things back a bit once I am achieving more reliable successes. Cult definitely competes with my GF and all my other hobbies for my time, but the challenge is addictive.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27587816 - 12/19/21 09:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

lol (dad joke)

I'm in for the challenge as well and could easily do this full time all year but it's good having a break every now and then,
I do go through cult withdrawals each time but starting things up again is super exciting.


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