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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27571093 - 12/06/21 07:52 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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@Adas yeah i think i encountered the same thing, first 5-6 days to a week nothing happened and the casing was wet, almost pooling. Then i forgot the jcm lid open for 6-7 hours and the humidity went down, then the next day i think i had to stop the jcm and hide it for 8h or so, then after 2-3 days i had pins, but since then they keep coming even tho the casing is still constantly wet. I think they just take more to pin or so but evaporation and not keeping the casing wet at all times is indeed helping that's for sure.
@rua yeah i'm looking at them through the lens of my cambos because that's the only pan i've evert grown beside papilionaceus but that was a long time ago. Basically all my dwarf cambos grew the same as this bisporus, long to pin and then the pins don't lift from the ground and sometimes get thick. It happened with cambos in SGFC, cambos in monotubs, cambos in jcm... Now this bisporus seems to follow the same pattern and it's driving me crazy I thought cambos were the only one with dwarfism.
However i've ranted enough of dwarfs already, here are some pics:
The first pin, still not doing anything, other pins appeared and it seems that this tray has the best pinset yet:

Here's one pin that seems to grow taller than the others, yesterday it was smaller. Weird is that its stem seems to be somehow oval:
 
Here's another one that judging by the stem color he wants to abort:
 
And here's tupac trying to do its thing:
  This is how far it colonized in almost 3 weeks.
@hindsight this spring i'm thinking of spreading all pan species i got and create some little patches here and there because why not. I once inoculated a lawn with some foenisecii that i thought were cinctulus, what i did was to dump the grain spawn all over the lawn somewhere in the spring, in june or so there were a lot of foes there, so the process seems to be kinda easy af.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27571105 - 12/06/21 08:12 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was..... something. The most challenging trip I've had and it was only 1g (my body filters things slowly so I'm a lightweight with mushrooms). It was really good but was so intense that I was surfing that edge where it could go badly if I didn't really concentrate for the first couple of hours. The craziest part though, is that it lasted about 14 hours. We started at noon, I went to bed at about 11pm and couldn't sleep until around 2 because my brain was still squirming. This was only the second time I've done pans and I never had that with cubes. I also noted that they tasted about 10x as bitter as cubes - like face-puckering bitter, and I am one of those weirdos who like the taste of cubes so it was surprising to me how bitter the pans were.
Back to cult, my first clone tray of those white pans has consolidated and I'm looking forward to seeing if I can replicate that awesome tray I grew a month or so ago.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27571121 - 12/06/21 08:37 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hindsight, which ones did you eat this time? Sounds like they were not weak, and I'm glad it didn't go off the rails for you. At least you didn't let your last experience lead you to taking 2 grams! That could have been bad...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27571125 - 12/06/21 08:42 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus bro, that sounds unreasonably intense for 1g! Must have been some monstrously potent genetics!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27571141 - 12/06/21 09:07 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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@ruawakeyet - Good question, I don't actually know. Aside from the white pans, I have not done a good job of separating out my indoor pan grows because I've been getting so few and so small fruits from them that I just dump them all in one big jar. I call it "trail mix" lol. What I can say is that it wasn't the white pans. I took the trail-mix and my friend took the white pans. The white pans are weak for pans, but stronger than cubes. My friend is way more experienced (and has a high tolerance) than me with tripping and he took 4g of the white pans and had a L3-L4 trip. The trail mix was a blend of BVI, Huasteca, regular NecD, Alabama, and Gulf Coast Florida. And yeah, I was VERY thankful I didn't take 2 - the only reason I didn't is because I suspected the white ones were weak and I was taking a different kind this time. I started with .5g and it felt very MDMA like - probably a solid L2 trip, and it hit at 20 mins, so I took another .5g then to get to where I ended up. Almost wish I would have kept it to half a gram lol.
If my clones produce better flushes than the MS trays, I'll start segmenting the dried mushrooms so I can track how each one feels.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27571193 - 12/06/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Trail Mix" I love it!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27571222 - 12/06/21 10:37 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27571223 - 12/06/21 10:41 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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@Landtrout - welcome! You will find quite a few expert pan cultivators in here who are articulate and ready and willing to share their wisdom in the form of well prepared teks. I recommend studying them carefully since they have taken the time to develop them… and after that study ask any remaining questions. That is more efficient for all involved. (PS: if you need some pan spores, shoot me a pm with your address).
@Adas Congratulations On your Bosporus Work / Discovery! I don’t know if you noticed, but I started a second round of giveaways with the Bunnell Florida Pan Prints you sent me to distribute last year. I’m actually going to streak some of those spores myself for the first time today!
@Nobler Hino & ruawakeyet Nobler - looking good, also I was wondering if that cool shaped little jar was a marmite jar? Not many folks would even know what that is and even fewer would ever get to the point of emptying one! 🤪 I’m a vegemite man myself from my 5 year stretch in Australia. ruawakeyet - one reason for small containers in some applications anyway is that you can control the RH in a pretty low tech way - for example place it in a partly opened 1/2 gallon Zip lock bag. Obviously Nobler has them in a Martha… but back to your speculation - I have mostly run my pans (I’m still a noob mind you) in sterelite stationary containers that are 11x14x 3.5 inches deep. This is a great container! It is a handy size for putting in a variety of fruiting chambers and the depth is about perfect for leaving an inch or so space above the surface. They have a pretty tight fitting lid and I place the inoculated substrate in there and lock the lid down and let it finish colonizing & consolidating in there - outside of a fruiting chamber then case and place in a fruiting chamber. I could be wrong about this speculation but a larger area may allow for a more robust network of inter connected mycelia… pushing this size thing to the max (mine anyway)… there was a time when I got ahead of myself and ran out of those stationary boxes … so I turned to Another sterilite container - but MUCH bigger. This was the type of box for storing things under your bed. It is about 16x24x7 inches deep. I only filled it about 3 inches deep then after it had consolidated - my fruiting chamber was full so I inverted a mono tub with ventilation holes and placed it on top (fit quite well) and fruited it that way with pretty decent results. Not great but ok, I think if I took the time to design a cover that would bring FAE in passively in sufficient quantities it would do better. Let me see if I can find some pictures…



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27571246 - 12/06/21 11:02 AM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah buddy, Thank you! I did notice. I'm just slightly worried the prints may be a bit old to deliver primetime genetics. But I'll be happy if you let me know!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MandalaMind]
#27571312 - 12/06/21 12:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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MandalaMind said: Here's one pin that seems to grow taller than the others, yesterday it was smaller. Weird is that its stem seems to be somehow oval:
 
That looks like a lot of water on the surface, are your jars that wet 24/7?
@ PsiloP: I like what I'm seeing, Is this the low tech method you've mentioned earlier? IMO it's of advantage to have a big volume above your substrate where warm humid air can accumulate, kind of like a reservoir. That's why I restrict airflow at the top to keep it inside the tub and lots of FAE coming in from the bottom holes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27571332 - 12/06/21 12:21 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Adas I’m pretty confident that nature will do right by us helpers - spores are pretty amazing at how well they keep.
On another topic of genetics … does anyone have any experience tripping with the ol “NecD”? Any comments about potency or variability in potency?
I grew a couple of trays of them and I gave some to a friend who ate 2 grams and gave me a pretty lack luster review. “They were OKaasy, but I was hoping for a strong trip”.
Although it could be my grow (The fruits were grown on manure and straw, looked healthy, and I dry thoroughly at a relatively low temp (145F) and store in a cool dark place)…
I suspect my friend is the issue with potency in this case. He has been on SSRIs for decades and despite my warning he is kind of lazy and sometimes doesn’t bother with fasting from the SSRI before he trips.
Asking for a friend (literally). 😊
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27571342 - 12/06/21 12:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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There you have it bro, it's the SSRIs, most definitely.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 2
#27571375 - 12/06/21 01:00 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: He has been on SSRIs for decades and despite my warning he is kind of lazy and sometimes doesn’t bother with fasting from the SSRI before he trips.
Suddenly halting, or starting and stopping SSRI doses is a very bad idea. The withdrawal can be excruciating, especially if it is exacerbating already present mental health conditions like depression. I would advise someone on SSRIs to just take a heroic dose instead of going through withdrawal. My personal experience with withdrawal from SSRIs was fucking awful, and that was with stepping down.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] 2
#27571778 - 12/06/21 07:14 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don’t worry about temperature when drying pans your main concern is air exposure dry them as quickly as possible and vacuum seal them temperature is not going to hurt anything unless it gets extremely hot which unless you’re drying in an oven at 3:50 it won’t. But with pans especially drying correctly makes a huge difference the SSRIs play a role to it’s taken Salem about five months of being off them before she’s finally got good visuals from a trip we ate 3 g each the other night and it really got her although we had a fantastic time
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#27571795 - 12/06/21 07:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: dry them as quickly as possible and vacuum seal them
Jake what's your take on vacuum sealing vs putting them in a quart jar with some desiccant packets? I do the latter mostly but have also been experimenting with grinding them in a coffee bean grinder, loading them into gel caps and vacuum sealing handfuls of caps.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#27571804 - 12/06/21 08:01 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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These mf are small lol. They are already dropping spores 🙄

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino] 1
#27571811 - 12/06/21 08:04 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’ve never tried the quart jar thing but if you’re not sucking the air out of them somehow it’s not going to be as effective as a vacuum seal it will still degrade in the air present in the jar.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#27571820 - 12/06/21 08:19 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Got it - that makes sense. Thanks!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27571850 - 12/06/21 08:51 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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In the past, I have placed goodies in a jar with a hole in the lid, then placed that in a vacuum bag and vacuum sealed the entire jar. (An oxygen absorber + desiccant pack could be used for good measure.) The jar prevents the goods from being crushed while still being vacuum sealed.
I haven't done this since growing pans, but I think it would work well. It might be overkill but I would hate to crush my beautiful, delicate fruits. I need to get a food saver to do this again.
Lately I've been simply placing them in a jumbo slider bag with a homemade desiccant jar. I poured some DampRid in a half pint jar, placed a round piece of tyvek over the jar, and covered with a plastic lid with as many holes drilled on top as possible. I then use a long plastic straw to suck out as much air as I can without crushing them, but the jumbo slider bag isn't airtight so it doesn't hold any kind of vacuum.
Nobler, those might be small but there are lots of them! I know you've grown good size fruits from pan cakes before, but I would love to see what you can do with trays!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 2
#27571859 - 12/06/21 09:02 PM (2 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes I am running some trays very soon, should see some meatier fruits.
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