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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23863723 - 11/24/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I have been working with Mr. Fox and Funkymonk, they are really great guys!

Pans are very interesting, so much variation, I love how challenging they are and it only inspires me more to work harder ton achieve fruits!

I will win this battle hahaha


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23865300 - 11/25/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the cincts look good dude:thumbup:

where did u get the bisporus spores from?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23865618 - 11/25/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Schweeeeeet man!!! I'm on my 6th transfer now with them. And i was still worried, but they seem to be cruising through the rye berries so thats promising. I will say it is the whispiest cottony myc ive seen yet.

I got the bisporous from Funkymonk...Thanks funky you da man!:jah:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23869099 - 11/26/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no prob petey:wink:  you will succeed, i failed so many times with pans! goliath and bisporus seem to be the most forgiving so far..ill soon have some pics of pan tropicalis hopefully..they came from a syringe that was loaded with more bacteria than spores..

the method i used to defeat the bacteria was to inoculate rye grass seed with the syringe and then transfer healthy myc to agar, then to grain and so on...

it worked wonders, just kind of an intuitive experiment because i know that grass seed is more selective and does'nt contaminate so easily..

by the way, grass seed works great as spawn for bisporus, they grow much slower on it but once its colonized it give you a ton of inoculation points and is much less likely to contam


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: funkymonk22]
    #23869105 - 11/26/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ohh and to whoever that was that asked about using straight straw, you can! my sub is always mostly straw with pans, i add a little manure..you can use store bought manure compost and just add enough to coat the outside of the pieces of straw.  but make sure you do an overnight lime water soak on the straw before adding other ingredients and pastuerizing


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: funkymonk22]
    #23869193 - 11/26/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ohh and to whoever that was that asked about using straight straw, you can! my sub is always mostly straw with pans, i add a little manure..you can use store bought manure compost and just add enough to coat the outside of the pieces of straw.  but make sure you do an overnight lime water soak on the straw before adding other ingredients and pastuerizing




It was me, thanks. Can you comment a bit on benefits of doing this (or/and what can go wrong if I don't).

Can I use crushed plaster boards for this or CaCO3 (or mix of both).

Any formula - water : lime???


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #23869218 - 11/26/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I am ready to prepare some bulk sub for my first attempt at fruiting Pans. I have straw, hpoo, and verm. I was thinking a 1:1:1 ratio.

I will just be doing one tray with my Cambo jar.

Does the lime substitute for the gypsum in CVG?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23869269 - 11/26/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I am ready to prepare some bulk sub for my first attempt at fruiting Pans. I have straw, hpoo, and verm. I was thinking a 1:1:1 ratio.

I will just be doing one tray with my Cambo jar.

Does the lime substitute for the gypsum in CVG?




When do you start? Its 11pm in my time zone so I think I will bath them tomorrow morning, pasteurize after Uni, and spawn in the evening. We can compare results and timing Peteyboy :wink:. Good luck. I need a lot to as it's my first time ever indoor grow. I don't like cubes trip and heard a lot about Pans being like OMFG. No half measures then :wink:.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #23869293 - 11/26/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ill soak them overnight tonight but i gotta get some lime. Pastuerize in the morning and spawn tomorrow afternoon.

That sounds great I would love to compare results. This is my first run through pastuerizing so im hoping it all works out ok.

Thanks for the luck brotha and right back at ya! I'm gonna need as much as i can get to pull this off! Pans are a tough species especially for your first attempt ever!

I have heard sooo much about the power and uniqueness of Pans. I am very excited to experience this myself but this is an experience that is not easy to earn, which makes it that much better!!

What variety are you working with?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23869378 - 11/26/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Panaeolus cambodginiensis (Sandose), print form Hacendado.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #23869653 - 11/26/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

gypsum is used to buffer the ph, hydrated lime is to raise the ph..so no it does not replace gypsum..a lime soak with straw is to raise the ph enough to buy you roughly two weeks to colonize the sub with mold taking over because mold cant grow as easily in alkaline substrate


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: funkymonk22]
    #23869696 - 11/26/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ahhhh i got ya! Thanks funky you da man!!

What kind of lime do you use? pickling or gardening lime?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: funkymonk22]
    #23869796 - 11/26/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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gypsum is used to buffer the ph, hydrated lime is to raise the ph..so no it does not replace gypsum..a lime soak with straw is to raise the ph enough to buy you roughly two weeks to colonize the sub with mold taking over because mold cant grow as easily in alkaline substrate




You meant WITHOUT MOLD TAKING OVER right? I'm not being dick trust me pls. Just not native English speaker and often don't get parts of the lingo here or sometimes grammar too.

Again, putting gypsum aside. Can I use Calcium carbonate?? This is only stuff that I have got now. If so what sort of pH of bath water should I aim at? 8 or higher? You have been of great help funkymonk. Please help with this last bit.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #23870816 - 11/26/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #23870887 - 11/27/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no you cant, hydrated lime is not calcium carbonate.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23870903 - 11/27/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know it's not but this is what they are using in the link I have provided. I know that the method is different but basic idea is the same I think or is this so much of a difference?

With all due respect but "no you can't" isn't a strong argument. Can you please provide some source for this claim?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psynonim]
    #23870909 - 11/27/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hydrated lime = ca(oh)2
calcium carbonate = CaCO3

different stuff with different effects. the search engine is prop full of info, basically caco3 is useless in this hobby.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23870912 - 11/27/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Found it:

http://www.alohaculturebank.com/low-tech-growing.html#.WDqIxyhOzqI

Calcium Carbonate lime - this is limestone, marble, chalk, eggshell, coral or oyster shell. This material is used as a pH buffer in substrate and media. This type of lime does not cause a major change in pH, but acts as a buffer, that is it holds the pH steady as the mushrooms grow. This is the preferred amendment for substrate to ensure the substrate does not go too acid during the growth cycle. THIS TYPE LIME WILL NOT WORK FOR PASTURIZING!

Sorry :wink:.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23870930 - 11/27/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

it takes a year or so to dissolve into soil, figured it might be used for edibles but I've found no reason to use it in substrates so far.
the mycelium metabolism probably breaks it up so it can be used, but I'm pretty sure most people who has taken a chemistry 101 class would argue its NOT a buffer.. buffers work both ways on pH, pretty intricate stuff. but thats just semantics.

btw your link clearly shows a pic of hydrated lime, even the content label says there's no caco3 in it, I have no idea why they suddenly call it CaCO3... seems like a fuckup on their part..


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23870962 - 11/27/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What about using CaCO3 for casing. This Is what Stamets uses in THE MUSHROOM CULTIVATOR. I now the book is 30+ years old but this is what I was aiming at. That is why I got this stuff in the first place. Now you are saying its useless. What should I use for casing then? The best if you use a chemical formula coz it seems that there is like billion types of LIME. I'm so confused now :frown:.


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