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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Luteofolius]
#27543588 - 11/14/21 08:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Luteofolius said: I'll figure it out eventually, this is the mycobag with my experimental sub. In the future I wanna try rabbit manure
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SomeoneWhoIsMe]
#27543682 - 11/14/21 10:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Luteofolius, welcome!
It sounds like you are trying different methods while you are getting started, that's always a good idea. What works for one person may not work for someone else, so you'll find what methods you like.
I've tried colonizing bulk substrate in bags, but it didn't work at all. It was much happier once I laid the bulk and grain to trays.
My only suggestion is to incorporate straw into your substrate.
I'm looking forward to seeing your results!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27543805 - 11/15/21 04:26 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply!
I need to get them to grain, might have to mix up some more lc for that, also got a project of atl 7 going so I've got split attention. Thanks for the support guys it means a lot to this noob grower
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Luteofolius]
#27544014 - 11/15/21 09:28 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lute, have you done agar to grain yet?
Since pans require such low grain ratios, I don't have enough grain jars to warrant making a LC. To me, it's just more steps and more time when agar wedge to grain does the same thing.
Be careful taking on too much all at once when beginning. Psilocybe Mexicanas and Pans want different conditions to fruit, and learning both at the same time is not usually an easy task. I'm not saying you're not up to it, but there's nothing wrong with focusing on only one thing at a time, at least until you get your first grows under your belt.
Keep working on posting photos, it will help when everyone can see what's going on.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Luteofolius] 2
#27544018 - 11/15/21 09:33 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Took an updated pic of the chonkers next to a tray of more normal sized pans. Looks like they might still have another day or so of growth.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27544023 - 11/15/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Lute, have you done agar to grain yet?
Since pans require such low grain ratios, I don't have enough grain jars to warrant making a LC. To me, it's just more steps and more time when agar wedge to grain does the same thing.
Be careful taking on too much all at once when beginning. Psilocybe Mexicanas and Pans want different conditions to fruit, and learning both at the same time is not usually an easy task. I'm not saying you're not up to it, but there's nothing wrong with focusing on only one thing at a time, at least until you get your first grows under your belt.
Keep working on posting photos, it will help when everyone can see what's going on.
I've heard that Tamps and Pans like the same growing conditions.
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Hindsight said: Took an updated pic of the chonkers next to a tray of more normal sized pans. Looks like they might still have another day or so of growth.

 I'd harvest at this point for sure.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27544046 - 11/15/21 10:04 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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On page 5 of JOC TEK, Jake gives his cycle times for tamps compared to pans. They are a little different, and I think I recall him talking about the conditions at length on another page. (Can't find it at the moment.) I haven't grown tamps, so I can't say for sure either way.
Edit: On page 13 of JOC TEK, Jake says: "Cubes all run in it but they don’t need that much moisture and less u adjust you may get water damage on your fruits, Tamps/Mexicana do fine but you also need to dial it back a bit subtropical don’t like it it’s way too much fae for them ."
Hindsight, I can't wait to see fresh weight of some of those! Please don't leave us hanging!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27544110 - 11/15/21 11:07 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I went ahead and harvested at Adas’ advice. The biggest fruit was cloned the other day before full grown, but the second biggest fruit on the tray (shown in the pic on the left) weighed 4.3g wet. It will be interesting to see what the second flush looks like and also if I get a fuller canopy with a clone culture. There was a lot of variation in that tray (it was from MS).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#27544396 - 11/15/21 02:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's surprising, I thought for sure those were going to be over 5 grams. It doesn't matter, they are still outstanding! I am looking forward to seeing your tray from clone!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27544966 - 11/15/21 10:08 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Second flush, upped the humidity and did some syringe watering.

Thanks for your help, they're looking better. Still feeling like the caps are a little small? Is that genetics or conditions? This is from a gift Florida wild print.
Thoughts/advice?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27545149 - 11/16/21 03:11 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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bagga said: Second flush, upped the humidity and did some syringe watering.

Thanks for your help, they're looking better. Still feeling like the caps are a little small? Is that genetics or conditions? This is from a gift Florida wild print.
Thoughts/advice?
Can be a host of things impacting cap size. I've had a decent difference in cap size between flushes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall] 3
#27545220 - 11/16/21 05:27 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok this looks more like it.
I'm bored and distracting myself from the stuff I acutally should be doing. Started playing around with this thing called Plantuml so made a Gantt chart of growing pan's with McMerdin's pancakes. Partly for the hell of it, partly as having the timeline laid out like this should help me plan my grows a bit better.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall] 2
#27545475 - 11/16/21 10:09 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kinda sobering seeing the timeline like that. I keep telling myself 'soon' and 'next week'... and then, all of a sudden I have nothing going on or too much going on :/
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27545539 - 11/16/21 11:15 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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bagga said: Kinda sobering seeing the timeline like that. I keep telling myself 'soon' and 'next week'... and then, all of a sudden I have nothing going on or too much going on :/
Yeah part of why I did it is I get kind of unrealistic in my thinking and needed something clear cut that shows me what'll be going on. Hopefully it'll stop me firing up plates when there is really no chance the myc will ever go beyond agar.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga] 1
#27545545 - 11/16/21 11:23 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha same. And while I’ve gotten lucky with some phenos, I’m tired of full trays that never fruit or just kick up a couple mangled looking fruits. Im thinking it’s time to start growing small tests for the MS grows until I find what I like and save full tray grows for clone cultures only. The only thing I don’t like about doing that with pans is that it still takes quite a bit of time to prep/pasteurize the substrate so not much of a time saver really - just more of an ingredient and space saver.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27545607 - 11/16/21 11:50 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've got a couple of fruits on agar, but I had very mixed success cloning on cubes. A couple cultures worked really well, a couple were far worse than MS. Felt like it netted out for my purposes, so I stopped bothering except as backup culture.
There's a bit of clone survivorship bias here - we get to see the ones that work, rarely hear about the all shitty clone trays.
I don't produce volume and I throw out most of what I grow . I'm here for the pokemon trading card aspect of this hobby Gotta trip em all?
That said, I haven't discovered any amazing phenos. That albino you landed looks worth preserving and distributing. You gotta give it a name and start a facebook group
Nats are making my print life hard atm, I might end up running some clones of them just to get decent prints. Snakey little fuckers, at least the pans print ok even if they're tiny
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27545675 - 11/16/21 12:22 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm gonna make up some rye grass seed today, and noc that with a liquid innoculant made from agar wedges slurried up in sterile water. Then I'll use that for spawn. Good to know that pans use smaller grain ratios to bulk. Every little tip helps. I honestly have been under the impression that the atl 7 and pans have similar fruiting conditions based on temps but again this is very new to me. I'll post after I get some growth on this grain. Cheers
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Luteofolius] 1
#27545726 - 11/16/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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This whole hobby is about playing the numbers game. Even with the 10 experimental tubs I'm running at the moment I'm thinking that it's not enough to draw any conclusions. There are so many things to try out and each little test will need at least 5 individual samples to be somewhat near to getting a result.
Gotta love the process more than the harvest.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27545793 - 11/16/21 01:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just inoculated 2 small V-teks with the slow culture i've been telling you about. I hope you're right and it'll go nuts on the substrate.
  
The substrate is aprox 60% cvg and 40% manure pellets, i aimed for 50-50 but i somehow managed to get too much cvg. Inoculated with 2 wedges of agar each. I plan on fruiting one with the lid half closed and other with the lid just resting on it for max FAE.
The culture seems a little bit weird, and by that i mean the white circles that form the wave pattern. I know those are usually from differences in temps but tbh i don't think i had that much fluctuations, and transfer after transfer they seem to be fewer of them. Some time ago i got some white mildew in my blue oysters spawn jar, is there a chance that this rings are from that? They seem to be way denser than expected for pan mycelium imo. I may just be paranoid tho.
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@bagga Challenge accepted lol, just the past few days i got the idea to make a tea out of all mushroom types i have, like a little bit of every one of them. For now i got cambo pans, cambo cubes, tampanensis fruits and sclerotia and ps serbica. In the near future i should have some pan bisporus and some tidalwave cubes, too bad i didn't think about this before i dosed all my liberty caps because they don't grow in my area and i won't go to the mountains until next season.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MandalaMind]
#27545810 - 11/16/21 01:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wy did you call the culture "Tupac"?
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