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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 4
#27541974 - 11/13/21 03:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Final update on the coir only. The tallest fruits have just reached 4". Caps could be bigger but I won't complain considering that this was an easy prep.
64g wet.

Just went outside to dump the coir sub on my compost pile and found this.

Not too shabby 

So I made a point of neatly burying the coir sub in some grass clippings in a planting pot.
Edited by Baba Yaga (11/13/21 03:31 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27542049 - 11/13/21 04:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Beauty! You live in a warm climate don't you? Always nice to see a surprise outdoor flush.
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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27542075 - 11/13/21 05:00 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call it warm but you know, there is always summer somewhere and it seems that the weather is good enough atm, mind you these subs were already pinning and I chucked them before they reached their full maturity since I needed the tubs.
But yeah, happy as larry, they weren't getting that big when I purposefully tried to grow them outdoors lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27542759 - 11/14/21 08:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice grow baba! it seems like cambos are really as easy as cubes.
My culture from the brown print from the mono grows way too slow, for example my tidalwave cube grew twice as fast if not more. I'll most likely abandon this culture i can't work with such slow genetics.
I'm thinking about getting another culture going from spores and try to fruit some V-tek style, i'm really curious if that'll work, cubes works good so why not try cambos?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MandalaMind]
#27543006 - 11/14/21 12:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've got a few sluggish cultures as well or in fact all my cultures are are not that fast on agar / grain, only when I mix the spawn with substrate they start to really take off.
Especially with LC to grain it takes a very long time for the culture to recover, talking 1-2 weeks here, even if I don't shake. Agar to grain is better but it still takes a long time to jump onto grain. Once the culture have made the jump and after the first shake it takes off again.
So weird. Has anyone else experienced problems with this? I'm trying something new at the moment to overcome this hurdle and it seems to work out alright. Will report back with results once it proves to be effective.
yes, please try a few V-tek bottles. 
I think all the pan species have potential to do well in low tech setups. Don't really have first hand experience but there are a few examples around like this Pan Cyan Tasmania recently grown by PhosCap
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27473355#27473355 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27478718#27478718
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27543018 - 11/14/21 12:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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MS, on coir, without a fancy Martha, and still a solid flush.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27543034 - 11/14/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I noticed this too on agar to grain - some jars were incredibly slow.
I was thinking about using my cooler + seedling mat "incubator" to see if warming it up helped. I haven't used it since summer.
Anecdotally, I thought wetter grains were a little faster than dryer- but I haven't controlled for that so it could be my imagination.
Some of mine took 3+weeks to colonize. Ape slow. Would love to know why.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga] 3
#27543044 - 11/14/21 12:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah at first I thought my oats were treated with something but I also experienced this with organic rye for human consumption.
Thanks for the compliment, can't wait to try a clone with just coir, although this is not really a solid flush.
It's the first time I photographed a pan grow in side view cause the sub is small enough to be taken out of the tub without breaking.
The top view looks much less impressive compared to the side view.

Top view shots are brutally honest and should be mandatory
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 1
#27543171 - 11/14/21 02:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's not a problem, it's the norm. They are pretty slow on Agar and Grain generally, and rip through bulk substrate. Prime example is Bisporus where the difference is really large.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27543214 - 11/14/21 03:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, but are they faster than cubes on grain generally speaking? That's at least the impression I get from reading here.
Fast or not fast what really weirds me out it that quite a few times LC needs like 1-1.5 weeks to show first signs of recovery and then another 1-1.5 weeks to get where its worthwhile giving the jar a shake. So I end up having jars colonize in 4 weeks, sometimes 5. They still good to use though and do grow out just fine. But I'm working on a solution atm.
I read somewhere here on the forums that people have similar experiences not just with pans but cubes as well but I can't be bothered digging up the posts now.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27543259 - 11/14/21 03:42 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes faster than Cubes. Bisporus is maybe as fast as Cubes, if not a bit slower on grain.
I don't work with LC, agar works perfectly fine and recovers fast.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#27543274 - 11/14/21 03:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pans I have grown haven't been faster than cubes unfortunately. My grain jars are currently taking 14 days on average to fully consolidate. That's for a quart mason jar filled around 2/3 full. I've knocked them up with LC and with Agar wedges and both of those options seem to move about the same speed. I do not shake the jars when I knock them up with agar or LC. I shake my jars at 5 days regardless of what I'm seeing in terms of growth, then I shake again when it looks like they are 1/2 to 3/4 colonized which is usually around day 10 or 11 and then they end up fully colonized by day 14, usually.
I agree with bagga about pans seeming to perform better on grains that are wetter than what I'd run cubes on. I keep going damper on each batch of grains and the jars finish faster each time. When I first started pans and was running the grain jars fairly dry like I do for cubes, it was taking 30 days to for pans to consolidate them and often they would stall out completely. As a test, I injected various amount of sterile water into the jars (10 to 40cc) and it always brought them back to life. I've had the best luck with JOC's grain prep method, though I now load the jars a bit wetter than he describes (more than a few grains stick to my hand when I load the jars).
On another note, my first tray of Huasteca fruited and it produced some nice chonkers. These are the largest, thickest, and most dense pans I've fruited so far. Pics don't do the size justice - they really look like cubes to me and most of the fruits on this tray aren't yet full grown. I took some clones.

Edited by Hindsight (11/14/21 04:03 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#27543288 - 11/14/21 03:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I still have not succeeded with a pan LC. It wouldn't even grow out, while a cube culture loves the exact same liquid.
I also haven't found any pan cultures that are faster than cubes on agar or grain.
Hindsight, looks like you'll be joining the 5g+ club! (I'm guessing by looking at that largest fruit.) Well done!
That's good to know about the grain hydration. I'd love to speed up any stage I can.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27543320 - 11/14/21 04:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn son, I bet you'll be joining the 10g+ club with these! Awesome!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 1
#27543341 - 11/14/21 04:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah those are chonkers alright! Nice 
Grain prep doesn't seem to change much for me, tried all the common teks and various degrees of moisture levels.
The pan LCs I make seem to slow down significantly after they colonize maybe 1/3 compared to a fully colonized LC I'll get with cubes or woodlover mycelium.
I would inoculate more with agar cause it performs slightly better than LC but LC is just so much easier to inoculate with in a SAB when doing 10 jars at once and I can keep the number of agar plates down which suits my restricted space better.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27543406 - 11/14/21 05:21 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Howdy guys, this is my first grow. I personally never enjoyed cubes so I've never tried to cultivate them. Pans are what intrigue me. So after researching pans for years I finally decided that P.bisporus was gonna be my chosen candidate.
Here's how it looks on MEA agar, T1from ms
Nocced some rgs here's what that looks like:
I'm gonna go agar>lc>to rgs>to mycobag>then to a mac pan cake style fruiting cased with 50 50 cactus mix and verm
Here's a mycobag with my own sub mix I concocted of, 1 part manure compost, 1 part verm, 2 parts rgs, and 1 part h20
Super excited about this grow. I've studied mycology for 5 years and I like to do things right. Probably not the typical noob first post but I'm willing to put in the work to be successful.
Hopefully I posted this in the appropriate format
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Luteofolius] 1
#27543417 - 11/14/21 05:33 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Welcome! You came to the right place.
Your photos a not loading or are corrupted, have you uploaded them to the shroomery?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27543465 - 11/14/21 06:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Based on noccing up this round of pans and cubes around the same time. The pans beat the cubes out by 3-4 days. I've had a few cultures that tore through grain in maybe 1/2 the time of cubes.
But honestly pans take me 3-4 weeks on average and cubes are closer to 4-6 weeks. Super slow compared to everyone. I'm colonizing/fruiting around 69-71 (fruiting sometimes in the 50s)
Pans just hit manure/hay. Ran verm/coir/manure/hay previously. I did it all by eye and I don't know. Too many projects.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#27543554 - 11/14/21 08:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did upload them, I'll try again. [image]https://[url=http://files.shroomery.org/files/21-45/693499017-VideoCapture_20211114-160753.jpg[/image]

Sure hope these work. This sub I'm trying is probably a winner based on the amount of rgs mixed in.
I'm gonna wait for it to colonize and then crumble it into some small ziploc containers, then into my ghetto fruiting chamber w air pump and perlite https://files.shroomery.org/files/21-45/694577987-VideoCapture_20211114-160615.jpg
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Luteofolius]
#27543559 - 11/14/21 08:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll figure it out eventually, this is the mycobag with my experimental sub. In the future I wanna try rabbit manure
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