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 Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread  [Re: odissey]
#27539050 - 11/11/21 10:05 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry didn't see you said you'd have the humidifier IN the tub. Only issue I see there is that you are going to have water accumulating in the bottom of the tub if you run enough mist to properly hydrate your substrate and/or if the air outside the tub is substantially colder than inside (which it sounds like it will be from what you were saying). Oh and this setup won't provide much FAE. I guess you could run it like a mono with vents on the sides and have the lid cracked at the top or vents on the top. A number of people have success growing pans in a mono but it's hit or miss and requires a pheno that is happy with tub conditions.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey] 1
#27539056 - 11/11/21 10:17 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tried this, bottle tek is pretty sketchy from a safety standpoint and doesn't produce much heat. For my space, it wasn't enough to make a difference unless I used a large heater, but then that was a fire risk, so I gave up.
As hindsight says, if you heat internally only, you'll have a tonne of condensation and difficulty keeping humidity up. JCMs solution is very elegant way of managing that problem.
I think JCM or baba yabba mono (+heat the room) is a better approach.
You could maybe also try Bisporus, I've read they don't mind cooler temps (I don't have first hand experience tho, I was looking into them for a cooler grow).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey] 1
#27539060 - 11/11/21 10:22 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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odissey, what kind of humidifier are you thinking about using? An ultrasonic humidifier (fogger), a wicking humidifier, or a warm mist humidifier?
An ultrasonic creates a lot of splash. It can be managed with some kind of splash shield, but without one it will flood your trays quickly.
A wicking humidifier won't produce fog, so it won't hydrate your casing layer.
I assume a warm mist humidifier would be too hot.
I understand not wanting to run loud air pumps, that was a deal breaker for me as well. Other than a JCM style FC, I think it's hard to produce ideal conditions without using cycle timers. (Unless your BabaYaga, which could probably grow pans on the moon.)
Regarding an aquarium heater in a bottle or other small container: I've found the cheap ones don't work correctly in a gallon of water or less. They get way too hot before they shut off, and then get way too cold before they kick on again. A more expensive heater with a remote sensor will at least maintain a steady temperature when used in a small volume of water. Just warning so you don't buy something that doesn't work.
Edit: Bagga, I forgot to congratulate you on your fruits. Seeing them makes me happy, you'll be growing full trays in no time!
Edited by ruawakeyet (11/11/21 02:01 PM)
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#27539458 - 11/11/21 03:11 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 3
#27539530 - 11/11/21 04:20 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks ruawakeyet!
Very appreciative of you and hindsights help- especially getting the sub right!
I had a terrible month with trich in my cubes, but I changed up some things up and it seems I'm through it. I was really worried I'd lose all/most of these tubs to trich, but they're looking good. Fuck off green fairy🤣🥳
Got jams and cams on grain ATM.
@JOC awesome as always! And thanks, your tek made this extremely accessible 😅👍
Pic tax. It ain't no Joc or hindsight grow but I'm stoked 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga] 2
#27540582 - 11/12/21 01:28 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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No canopies here, but this PHV is producing some beautiful colors and patterns in the caps. In addition to the varied patterns, there are some more fatties.
I also tried taking better pictures, my previous photos were getting washed out by the flash.
   
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27540586 - 11/12/21 01:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice work! Glad you are getting some fruits regularly again. What temps are you running? I've been sitting at 80F and it seems to work well. I want to try 85F but don't really want my plates and grain jars that warm.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27540645 - 11/12/21 02:21 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks! Even my dud tray has started producing for me. I'm glad I was patient with it and let it go.
My temp range has been 75 to 79. My setup operates slightly different than a Jartha: TLDR unless someone wants to experiment further.
The room temp, (outside the tent), stays around 75. My fogger fan stays on constantly, providing a steady flow of HEPA filtered fresh air.
(I use a true HEPA air purifier as an intake filter that supplies the fogger. I would say it's overkill for the grow, except it keeps my fogger tank clean and reduces the maintenance a lot. Considering my fogger tank is buried under the fruiting pool, it's not easily accessible to maintain it.)
The fogger itself is on one cycle timer, runs 5 minutes on, 10 minutes off. Even with the fogger water being kept above 80, the fog cycle will show 75 to 76.
Inside the tent, I have a fan forced space heater near the floor. It doesn't blow directly on the fruiting area, but it does create indirect air currents inside the grow tent. It also keeps the floor dry by evaporating whatever condenses down low.
I re-wired the heater so the fan runs independently from the heating element. (It now has two power cords, one for the fan, and one for the heating element.)
This is controlled by a separate cycle timer. That timer runs 7 and a half minutes on, and 7 and a half minutes off. That cycle timer has both the fan power cord and a temp controller plugged into it. The heating element power cord is plugged into the temp controller. The temp controller runs the heating element until it reaches 79 degrees, which takes around 2 to 2 and a half minutes. The fan continues to run for the remainder of the 7 and a half minutes.
I've seen the best results when the fogger comes on as soon as the heat/fan cycle turns off. (Since my cycle timers aren't accurate to the second, the fog timer catches up with the fan/heat timer, so I have to reset one of them every 12 hours. If I don't, the fan/heat turns on early, and blows most of the fog away, effectively shortening the fog duration.)
I would like to keep the temps a little warmer, but I would have to run the heat more and it's the wrong time of year for that and getting worse...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27540655 - 11/12/21 02:30 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi guys.... just wanted to know if this looks like healthy pan mycilium... these are 2 wbs jars inoculated with spore water.
Jar 1
  
Jar 2
  
Also how long do you think i should still wait to shake them... they are 13 Days today since inoculation
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#27540687 - 11/12/21 02:56 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cambocyan]
#27540692 - 11/12/21 03:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Grim11311 said:
Hi guys.... just wanted to know if this looks like healthy pan mycilium... these are 2 wbs jars inoculated with spore water.
Jar 1
Jar 2
Also how long do you think i should still wait to shake them... they are 13 Days today since inoculation
For a spore inoculation that looks pretty good.
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Lookin great!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27540718 - 11/12/21 03:29 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you Adas.... should i just leave them to colonise the whole jar or should i shake?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grim11311]
#27540730 - 11/12/21 03:40 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grim, that looks good to me. I would go ahead and shake.
Cambocyan, those are beautiful! I love the grey hues that result from the spores on the caps. Great work!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 3
#27540796 - 11/12/21 04:33 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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yay, great work you guys!
just a little update on my experimental stuff.
Got 10 tubs with various subs and configurations going atm.
100% coir tiny tub is getting close to harvest and the tallest fruits are almost 4" tall, over all the fruits are a bit smaller than what I
would get with manure added to the mix. Another day or two and they will get chopped. 1st photo is 100% coir and 2nd photos is a
same size tub from earlier with H-manure/coir for comparison.
 
The 1st of the next couple of photos is a tub layered 1/2" coir, 1 quart of oat spawn and 1.5" H-manure, 2nd photo is 1.5" of mixed
substrate with 1 quart of oat spawn and coir / sieved compost (50/50) and a top layer @ 0.5".
 
I thought that constant FAE from the start would induce fruit body production before the mycelium reaches the surface but it doesn't stop
surface colonization at all, probably not enough FAE, it seems that all it does is causing side pinning as first knots are starting to form now
lol. I got 6 tubs set up like this and will try slightly different fruiting methods.
The one H-manure/coir tub with the thickest top layer of just over 2" has still an uncolonized surface and I will leave the lid off
completely from now on, lets see if that kicks off fruiting.
Edited by Baba Yaga (11/26/21 02:59 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27540866 - 11/12/21 05:34 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Baba, great job to you as well! Those are some great looking fruit!
I'm amazed at how many tests you are running. You must be better than me at keeping notes organized, at least I hope. I'm looking forward to seeing the results.
What temperatures are you running?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27541023 - 11/12/21 07:41 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes! On behalf of all pan lovers, thanks for running some different conditions to see what other setups may work
I also can't wait to see the results. I assume they're all the same culture? Did you do G2G or inoculate all with the same plate?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 2
#27541052 - 11/12/21 08:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only way I can manage to keep notes is by putting a long strip of masking tape on the tub and write on the tape what I'm doing and when.
I tried a booklet but that just didn't work out well 
My temps at the moment are 70-76oF and I use agar and LC from different MS selections but first clones are almost ready.
As I said before this is a long long term project. I'm looking at pans and think to myself that they are only a little bit different to cubes
and it should be possible to select for genetics which will do better in tubs and it seems that no matter what I'm throwing at them, my cambos
really want to push out some fruit. That's one reason why I'm sticking to this one species/variety.
What I do at the moment is really just getting first hand experience on some ideas and on the general consensus on what's possible. Getting a
good feeling for what the boundaries are and a general direction where to go from here once the clones are ready.
Got good recovery from LC so it can't be too long before I'm going to spawn my first clones. I definitely want to put a few tubs into fruiting
before Christmas as a gift for when I return from the family gathering. I wont be getting anything otherwise
I hope Santa is sticking to the cookies & milk and keeps his hands off my tubs but you never know with this guy.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grim11311] 1
#27541376 - 11/13/21 06:17 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Baba thanks for conducting all these tests and sharing the results. Would be very cool to make pans more accessible to all via simpler growing teks.
Grim those look pretty good. Only thing I notice is that the mycelium looks a bit thick/solid in one or two of those jars but it’s hard to tell for sure. I agree on giving them a shake now. I usually shake at 5-7 days, and then usually one more time around 12 days or so.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27541580 - 11/13/21 09:36 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amazing results, Baba! I love how the tub with compost is sectoring. It's really crazy, haven't seen that before. Maybe each of these sectors is different genetics?
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#27541708 - 11/13/21 11:22 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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You mean like this?
I'm getting these sectors quite a lot, sometimes they make me a bit
nervous when there are faint sectors next to denser ones.
I find it interesting how the FAE airflow makes the mycelium grow
thinner in the compost tub, at least this is what it looks like, hope
it's not contam.
@ Hindsight: thanks, my pleasure, I like doing this and one tub is
never enough.
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