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Baba Yaga
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 2
#27537942 - 11/10/21 01:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Poured clone LC's yesterday and spawned the last two experimental MS tubs as well.
My two little coir only tubs are pinning now, seems like I'll have similar success as user Germs had with his coir grow. Curious to see how big those will get.

first time with very little overlay for me.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27537953 - 11/10/21 01:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, that's coir only? That's outstanding results so far in my book!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 2
#27537969 - 11/10/21 01:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep, hoping for at least 4 inch fruits and reasonable cap size. If that happens I will run just coir parallel to manure for my next few cultures.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27538045 - 11/10/21 03:05 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ime when making swabs or prints in a sab it's best to shotgun approach it. I get mixed results. I use press and seal over the armholes and leave them to dry for a few hours. Sometimes they are a mess others they are great.
I had great results using the tinfoil lined jars for printing, then swabbing.the no touch print or making up a syringe. I can't remember who's Tek it was tbh
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Drboomer] 2
#27538140 - 11/10/21 04:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hindsight, awesome 2nd flush!
Baba, great looking results! You are a real rebel in this thread, growing pans in monos using coir.
Drboomer, you asked for recommendations on varieties. Hindsight just showed what NecD can do with one of the best trays I've seen on this thread. I'm owing much of my success to the genetics of Purple Huastralian Venom, (PHV). Both of these strains have been developed by JakeOncid, and would be my top recommendations. The genetic work that he has done has produced some pans with the highest potential for success from new growers, IMO.
I had to get a post in on page 1200(!), so I let some fruits go longer than I have been doing. I ended up with a new personal record for heaviest fruit, weighing in at 8.3 grams fresh.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet] 2
#27538250 - 11/10/21 05:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice Baba! I had no idea pans would grow on coir and I thought they had to have manure. Please do post the results here once the fruits mature - I am very curious to see.
Thanks Drboomer. I'm going to leave mine in the SAB overnight, then swab another couple plates tomorrow and see if things are any different.
ruawakeyet that's a nice looking fat boy. Is that PHV? I've been waiting for PHV to get back in stock for a while and can't wait to try it.
On two of my NecD trays (the ones that didn't come out white), I used the same exact culture, same grains, same everything except in one tray I used 2 cups manure and in the other I used 4 cups manure. 2 cups of manure to 80g chopped straw + 1 cup verm looks to be about 30% manure by volume. Below is the side by side comparison. The 2-cup tray on top, 4 cup on bottom. Did not expect that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27538261 - 11/10/21 05:56 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who wants to try a run on rabbit manure?
I'll send it dry and in a gallon ziplock for free if you'll run it and post pics....
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27538301 - 11/10/21 06:52 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hindsight You are doing great! Like you, I have been guided by some great cultivators in this thread and I’m deeply appreciative of their support. I have not grown any pans in about 6 months. I have some new spores coming this weekend and if they are what I think they are… and I’m able to pull off a good grow I’ll be printing and sharing here. Folks in here have been asking about them for quite a while. I won’t say what variety until I’m more sure of them… 😊
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nichrome] 6
#27538305 - 11/10/21 06:55 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nichrome said: Who wants to try a run on rabbit manure?
I'll send it dry and in a gallon ziplock for free if you'll run it and post pics....
The Shroomery - one of the few places people send bags of shit to each other as a favor and not a messed up prank!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nichrome] 2
#27538343 - 11/10/21 07:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Nichrome said: Who wants to try a run on rabbit manure?
I'll send it dry and in a gallon ziplock for free if you'll run it and post pics....
Hey, I grew cubes outdoors using lots of rabbit manure I collected on the fields. I am 100% it will work with Pans. I live in europe but I if you don't mind the postage, send me a few bags I always appreciate people having dried shit 
anyway here are some cubes grown on rabbit manure + straw outdoors - please don't banish me from this sub for posting cubes:D

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27538448 - 11/10/21 09:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some fruit are just more bacterial than others imo. I dunno why. On it's own, doesn't prove a messed up swab.
I haven't seen any science that supports the idea that air drying kills bacteria, but it's probably still good practice reduce moisture to prevent mold germination in the packet. Happy to be proved wrong, but bacteria generally doesn't die at room temperature and normal air humidity.
I usually streak 4-5 plates per swab, shredding the swab on the last two plates with sterile tweezers. I've done this dozens of times now, and unless the spore quality was complete trash you'll get some growth you can transfer. It's rare it fails completely.
I've made and traded a lot of non pan swabs, you don't need a flow hood, it's a convenience at best. Just be sure not to touch the gills with anything but swab (especially when harvesting watch fingers, stalk, roots). The sub is filthy, a little grain of sub on the gills may ruin the swab.
Tldr- I wouldn't freak just because it's bacterial, unless it's completely consuming multiple plates. Then something's going on.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27538454 - 11/10/21 09:12 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Omg.. i will gladly ditch bags of shit if this can work
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27538466 - 11/10/21 09:27 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks all!
I took all of this advice, did some syringe watering, things are looking healthier. You all helped me understand why my shit wasn't working right too.
I had an ink bird that was holding humidity high 90s, and an exhaust fan cycling air every hour or so. I don't have a mechanical timer, so it wasn't cycling as frequently as jocs tek.
I've never gotten even close to drowning tubs even at 100% humidity- I think it's the ink birds fault. I suspect the cycling going on in the correct tek is saturating the air- effectively mist watering the trays. But mine stops at ~98-100. With the less frequent over shooting of mist, each fresh air cycle slightly dehydrates my subs.
As an experiment today I disabled the ink bird and just let it run to over saturate- for the first time I have noticeable extra moisture. I'm gonna have to change things up. I appreciate the advice, I'd been trying to work this out for over a month.
This was a wild Ms print, so I didn't really expect wall to wall goodness. Glad to have fruits ready of printing and some clone candidates! 🥳🥳

First pan trip is on track for this weekend 🤩
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27538883 - 11/11/21 07:29 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey everyone! So last time I used monotubs to fruit them and although I got plenty of fruits, they did not drop any spores. Since my temps are low, this time I am planning on using a tub with a heater (aquarium heater in a water bottle). I am unsure how much FAE is necessary. I was wondering: is using a mini portable humidifier enough? So, the setup would be a large tub with a mini humidifier and a heater, maybe a flipped lid and trays on the bottom.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
#27538896 - 11/11/21 07:51 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don’t think there is any relationship between dropping spores and growing conditions. If the fruits come up, they should drop spores unless there is a genetic issue with the phenotype you’re growing that is causing the lack of spores.
For example, I have 4 trays of one variety in a single tent, but each tray is a different multispore culture of that variety. One of the trays produced fruits that don’t drop enough spores for it to be visible. The rest of the trays have fruits that dump spores like mad.
But if you’re looking to optimize growing conditions regardless, you want as much FAE as possible. If you want to use an aquarium heater and water, just add some air stones and an air pump. That is the JCM fruiting chamber approach and many use it with great success.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27538904 - 11/11/21 08:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: I don’t think there is any relationship between dropping spores and growing conditions. If the fruits come up, they should drop spores unless there is a genetic issue with the phenotype you’re growing that is causing the lack of spores.
For example, I have 4 trays of one variety in a single tent, but each tray is a different multispore culture of that variety. One of the trays produced fruits that don’t drop enough spores for it to be visible. The rest of the trays have fruits that dump spores like mad.
But if you’re looking to optimize growing conditions regardless, you want as much FAE as possible. If you want to use an aquarium heater and water, just add some air stones and an air pump. That is the JCM fruiting chamber approach and many use it with great success.
Thanks for the fast feedback! Oh interesting. I really thought it could only be growing conditions since out of several trays, none have dropped spores. Now that I think of it I think these were are inoculated with the same LC.
I was suggesting not having water at the bottom like JCM FC, but rather a bottle with the heater and a humidifier on opposite side of the tub. Could this work? I was trying to avoid the noise of the air pumps and a tub full of bottom water
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: odissey]
#27538912 - 11/11/21 08:09 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not sure a bottle full of warm water would provide enough heat to make up for the cold humidified air that you pipe in.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 4
#27538972 - 11/11/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rainbow Eucalyptus 2nd (and final) flush. Some Trich appeared so I didn't let it go any longer. Almost 6g dry total yield, not great, but definitely not terrible!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27538989 - 11/11/21 09:09 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice Adas - enough for a handful of trips
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27539028 - 11/11/21 09:55 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since the humidifier would be in the same tub as the heater, the water inside should eventually become warmer too no? maybe I could put them close to each other
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