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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27535293 - 11/08/21 02:32 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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First pans ever??
They look good, I would keep the surface a little wetter but that’s about it.
If you’re used to cubes you’re gonna want to keep pans wet enough that it makes you nervous at first. It looks like the humidity is low since there’s no moisture on the walls too.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27535332 - 11/08/21 03:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I would keep the surface a little wetter.
My thought as well
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27536064 - 11/08/21 08:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, first ever pans I'm familiar with cubes though.
I was a little unsure how "wet" wet was for the casing. Is similar to keeping it close to field capacity? Or more?
I read joc mentioning syringe watering - is that literally squirting water onto the casing?
I was reluctant to mist with fruit present (although I've done that just fine with cubes).
I'll bump the humidity and reduce the exhaust cycle too. Thanks for your help again!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27536247 - 11/09/21 08:45 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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as long as there is no water pooling you should be good.
syringe watering is squirting water on the casing from a syringe instead of misting.
congrats on your first pans!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27536265 - 11/09/21 09:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bagga, I look for my casing layer to glisten, as in a thin layer of water, not just droplets. That wet layer will shine under a flashlight. I would like it if my caps would be glistening wet at most times, but that doesn't always happen with my single disc fogger. Usually the smaller caps and some larger caps will glisten, so I could use more fog. I forget who said to error on the side of too wet, but that person is right.
Syringe watering is usually not needed if you have a fogger. It's still applicable if you don't have a fogger, and yes, it's literally dripping water onto the casing layer. It's a good way to apply water to the casing in a targeted, controlled manner. The idea is to keep the water off your pins, which is hard to do with a mister/sprayer.
Even though I think I could use more fog, my trays will still accumulate too much water after several days, so I have to drain off the excess by tilting each tray while holding it over something to catch the water. That's the only place where too much water becomes a problem, and it's easy to fix or prevent. Keep an eye on the side of your tray, you don't want the water level to come up very far from the bottom, but a little bit is ok.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27536286 - 11/09/21 09:19 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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bagga said: First pins. A little sparse, but do these look healthy?
Humidity range is I think 93-96%. Still not sure how to dial it in.
Congrats on your first pans!!
RE humidity and moisture levels - I don't even track humidity in the tent. I did at first but realized it doesn't matter. I followed the cycling method that JOC has outlined and found it to work really well. You're going to get plenty of humidity in the tent if you follow the cycling technique, so instead of shooting for a target humidity range, you dial the tent based solely on casing moisture level and you do this based on timing, not humidity sensors.
I've spent months playing with it and found the following to work best for me (again mostly based on JOC's setup but I think I may be doing a couple things slightly differently).
I have two digital cycle timers. One controls the fogger, the other controls a vent fan that pulls room air into the tent and vents the tent air outside. My room sits around 40-55% RH and is heated with a small portable electric heater to 80F. My cycles are fog, pause with fog air, vent, pause with dry air. Right now, my cycles are 5 mins fog, 2 mins pause with foggy air, 2 mins vent, 6 mins pause with dry air. But I adjust those as-needed to ensure my casing is not too wet, and not too dry. The more you fog, and the longer you let the trays sit in the fog, the more of the moisture they absorb from the fog. Then comes your evaporation cycle - that's the vent plus the pause after vent which you need to help pins form. So the ideal is that you are putting just a bit more moisture into the trays than you lose during your evaporation phase, and that additional moisture is to make up for what your mycelium consumes. That's a complex way of saying: Just set your cycles so your casing always looks wet but not flooded. Simple as that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27536469 - 11/09/21 11:50 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: Here is the final result of the first tray of NecD to pin. I'm in awe. I have several more NecD trays going that have nice looking fruits but they are taking a bit longer and aren't as dense as this tray. I absolutely took clones from this tray. Harvesting the fruits right now.


I haven't seen this before and it gave me a laugh:


Adas, how are your Rainbow Eucalyptus pins doing? Mine just popped up yesterday and here is what they are looking like today. Hard to see but there are other clusters on the tray. I will get fruits but doubt it will look anything like this incredible NecD tray.

I’m rarely on the Shroomery these days, and not doing a lot of cultivation (and no pans at the moment).
However, I log on to take a peek and see this! Wow! Obviously a unique pheno - but also definitely showing excellent cultivation chops there Hindsight! Those fruits could not be happier with their environment! Looks like a tray Jake would grow! 🤣 Congratulations!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
#27536681 - 11/09/21 03:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm looking at getting into pans trying pan cakes in a greenhouse. Gonna have to pick up a print asap. I had a few pans recently and I'm itching to get them going.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Drboomer]
#27536761 - 11/09/21 04:43 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes! Get them going Drboomer! They are a challenge but worth it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27537269 - 11/10/21 02:12 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sat here waiting to find out if I'm moving room at the end of Dec unable to fire up any prints.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27537410 - 11/10/21 06:20 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any variety you all suggest picking up? I had cyans they were dope af. What are some other good ones.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] 2
#27537543 - 11/10/21 08:29 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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PsiloPsychIn said: I’m rarely on the Shroomery these days, and not doing a lot of cultivation (and no pans at the moment).
However, I log on to take a peek and see this! Wow! Obviously a unique pheno - but also definitely showing excellent cultivation chops there Hindsight! Those fruits could not be happier with their environment! Looks like a tray Jake would grow! 🤣 Congratulations!

Thanks for the kind words PsiloPsychIn. I recently struggled with my entry into the pan growing cult but thanks to the continued help from the experts here, I have been able to move past the missteps and pull off some good trays. This pheno was definitely dumb luck, especially since it came from multispore. I've cloned and printed it and will see what I can do with it.
Here is my second flush off the tray.





Four new trays went into the tent today. BVI, Huasteca and Alabama.
Edited by Hindsight (11/10/21 09:14 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Drboomer]
#27537585 - 11/10/21 09:03 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drboomer said: Any variety you all suggest picking up? I had cyans they were dope af. What are some other good ones.
Cyanescens is a species, not a variety. There are many varieties within each species. I'm extremely satisfied with my Cyan Bunnell FL variety, and I haven't had much luck with Bisporus so far. But with Cyans or Cambo you can't miss - they colonize fast and pin easily. You're guaranteed to get at least something.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27537798 - 11/10/21 11:41 AM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you I'll look for the Bunnell FL variety. Gonna hunt down a couple cambo varieties and necd as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Drboomer]
#27537833 - 11/10/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could send you the Bunnell Cyan print. I have some 3 months old prints, but fresh ones will be coming soon, so if you're willing to wait, you'll get some super fresh stuff.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27537855 - 11/10/21 12:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would for sure appreciate that lmk when ever they are ready buddy!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27537867 - 11/10/21 12:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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The spore swabs I made ended up being bacterial (I tested them by swabbing them on agar after I made them). I haven't made swabs before but I've used swabs from vendors successfully to knock up plates. I searched today and found that you are supposed to let them dry to kill the bacteria - that's something I didn't do. I don't have a flow hood so would have to just leave them sitting in the SAB. If they are in a SAB, how long should I leave them there to dry? Any other tips? I'm using 6" sterile swabs that come in a 2-pack sleeve. I put them in my SAB and using gloves and sterile procedures, I just rubbed them a few times between a couple gills (different gills for each swab).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27537884 - 11/10/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd say that after they are dry you can package them immediately - some bacteria won't die immediately but after a few days of storage the surviving CFUs should be absolutely minimal.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27537885 - 11/10/21 12:37 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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When working with a flow hood 30 mins is sufficient but there’s airflow so possibly an hour maybe more in a SAB? Let someone with experience chime in though
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Guerrilla]
#27537931 - 11/10/21 01:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: The spore swabs I made ended up being bacterial (I tested them by swabbing them on agar after I made them). I haven't made swabs before but I've used swabs from vendors successfully to knock up plates. I searched today and found that you are supposed to let them dry to kill the bacteria - that's something I didn't do. I don't have a flow hood so would have to just leave them sitting in the SAB. If they are in a SAB, how long should I leave them there to dry? Any other tips? I'm using 6" sterile swabs that come in a 2-pack sleeve. I put them in my SAB and using gloves and sterile procedures, I just rubbed them a few times between a couple gills (different gills for each swab).
Just have a slightly moist swab or regular cotton bud drying with the others as control if unsure and use your SAB dry to speed things up.
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