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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gt40]
    #27513892 - 10/22/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks GT40. My fan is 80mm but I have a 120mm unit I can install instead. I have a speed controller for the fan so will play with it a bit and see what I can see. I'm building the new humidifier right now and should have it fired up in an hour or so.

Oh yeah, and RE the foam float - My ultrasonic mister actually came with a plastic float that keeps it 2 or 3" below the surface for maximum performance.


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    #27513900 - 10/22/21 04:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: smurfreak]
    #27513989 - 10/22/21 05:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

So you know - I'm not sure if JOC had a typo in his recipe or if he had it right and I wrote it down wrong, but the peptone content per 1000ml of water should be 0.5g not 5g.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27514106 - 10/22/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

For germing and most mycology needs I feel those crazy formulas are un-needed. Just keep moving to different nutrients or give some additives here and there on clones, but overall grain water does it all.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
    #27514120 - 10/22/21 06:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I feel those crazy formulas are un-needed.




Off by a factor of ten is something worth mentioning for the casual observer who isn’t so self-assured.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27514139 - 10/22/21 06:56 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

JOC's agar recipe didn't work well for me, and I used half the amount of nutrients as suggested. To be fair, I omitted the yeast extract, ammonium citrate, thiamine, and magnesium phosphate because I didn't have them on hand. I didn't use his exact recipe, and that could have affected the outcome. The myc did the same kind of weird things others are seeing. I'm not at all mad, it was fun to experiment with, and I have enough ingredients to make different kinds of agar to keep switching it up.

Hindsight, I just looked at the recipe because I couldn't remember the optional ingredients I didn't use, and it calls for 16 grams of peptone / 1000ml water for the max nute profile.

Plain ol' MEA is where it's at for me. Spores still germinated in 2 days, and all growth looked better. PDA was also ok, but the growth was thicker. Oatmeal water agar produced the thickest mycelium of all so far. I want to try GWA next.

On a side note, I personally don't want to use the peptone again, because it smells so bad, and the powder is so fine it goes in your nose and sticks to the inside. I swear I could smell it hours later. Even 5 day old bulk substrate doesn't smell as bad as the peptone! :smile:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #27514311 - 10/22/21 08:38 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hah you’re right about peptone being nasty stuff - though I’d prefer it to pasteurized manure any day.

I did a comparison of JOCs formula (the one that is malt, yeast, peptone, and potato starch), MYA, MYPA, and GWA. I knocked them all up the same day with plugs taken using a punch from a single plate that had very even and consistent mycelium, and watched them grow to see if there was any difference. They all grew out basically the same except for grain water which grew as fast but the mycelium was much thinner and harder to see.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27514326 - 10/22/21 08:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the help pan fam. First 3 pan subs cooking. Tried to keep em a little airy, didn't compress much. I think the middle one ended up a touch too deep.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27514369 - 10/22/21 09:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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They all grew out basically the same except for grain water which grew as fast but the mycelium was much thinner and harder to see.




I’d posit it’s tough to nail down a specific nute ratio, from grain water, generally.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ModularMind]
    #27514682 - 10/23/21 06:45 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I agree and have wondered the same - the formula most people use (from what I’ve read) is 700ml water and 300ml grain water but…. Whoever made that formula…. Who knows how long they simmered the grain for or how hot or how much water they used with how much grain? All these things will impact the strength/concentration of the grain water. This is my only beef with GWA - it’s not as consistent as the other types, but I will say it has generally worked very well for me with just a couple exceptions. Most of the plates I have that ultimately produce pins in the plate are from GWA.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 2
    #27514788 - 10/23/21 09:07 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I go for grain water based on eye color. Get it as light as an LC or agar. Barely any color.
Lately I throw a horse turd in the grain water and strain it out. Now it's grain/manure water. Pans and cubes eat that shit up.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus] * 3
    #27515712 - 10/23/21 10:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #27515773 - 10/24/21 12:36 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

1 of my 3 successful trays produced nothing but mutants, and it was such a pain to harvest. If I ever have another tray of mutants, it will get trashed before I bother with it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #27515836 - 10/24/21 03:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27515842 - 10/24/21 03:49 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Had this shit few years ago with Pan cambo
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L]
    #27516033 - 10/24/21 09:10 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I guess mine were more mutants than dwarves. These also appeared to be sporeless.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #27516037 - 10/24/21 09:13 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I guess mine were more mutants than dwarves. These also appeared to be sporeless.






What variety is that? Look very simliar to the few cooky Wild Coast redspores I grew. Going to revisit that print once I get off my arse and finish my tamp grow.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27516056 - 10/24/21 09:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Those are PHV. This was a blind sector from agar that has since been trashed. A different sector produced normal fruits that produced spores and did pretty well.

I would like to see your tamp grow if you put up pictures, if you would kindly let me know where you post them. Thank you! Some variation of mexicana is on my desired grow list at some time.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #27516143 - 10/24/21 11:04 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Those are some mean looking shrooms.


Were they stronger than normal?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #27516172 - 10/24/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I've been microdosing on them, so my experience is limited, but they seem the same strength as the regular fruits based on microdosing alone. They didn't yield well compared to the other trays, and took forever to harvest each flush.

I do plan on tripping again at some point, but I've been slacking on getting my house clean enough to do so. My only pan trip was on 9 grams fresh, as I was nervous after reading how strong they were. It wasn't anything too crazy, mainly closed eye visuals, but I did end up in the tentacle realm for a bit. While meditating, I ended up feeling like a tiny, multiple armed organism, (maybe a spiky looking fungus), stuck on a jungle floor on an alien planet. It was a strange, yet peaceful state of existence. I likened it to the first evolutionary stage of basic consciousness. It was the best trip of my life so far, so I'm looking forward to going deeper at some point!


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