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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27509348 - 10/18/21 06:09 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does this mix look ok?
I've attempted to get 30-40% manure to 60% straw and 5% verm.

It feels similar to just mowed grass, kinda damp, will drip a little if I squeeze hard.
The straw is a little long, will aim to improve next time.
Haven't pasteurized yet, I want to make sure it's mostly ok first
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27509383 - 10/18/21 06:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks good to my eyes. Maybe a bit more manure-heavy than mine but I don't think that's good or bad - just an observation. Looks nice and fluffy. JOC had a post saying 7-10 drops should come out when squeezed. That's what I have aimed for.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27509551 - 10/18/21 09:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks good to me as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27509573 - 10/18/21 09:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome, thanks guys!
Pasteurizing...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27509602 - 10/18/21 09:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: Gotcha! Maybe I'm just overthinking it! Do you have holes drilled in your kids? I'll start purging the water a couple times a day and see if that improves things. I still see some mycelium growing under the casing layer so perhaps they're doing fine.
I was thinking I may try getting a flat piece of plexiglass and putting that at an angle on top. Drops should flow down that more easily than the standard tub lid.
The lids with holes didn't need to be drained like the others. I saw more mild complications with the tubs without hole lids. One thing i did that i believe was huge part of my success was.. I misted for three days.. Fanned once or twice a day.. Then saw pinsets.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27510026 - 10/19/21 10:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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bagga said: Does this mix look ok?
I've attempted to get 30-40% manure to 60% straw and 5% verm.

It feels similar to just mowed grass, kinda damp, will drip a little if I squeeze hard.
The straw is a little long, will aim to improve next time.
Haven't pasteurized yet, I want to make sure it's mostly ok first 
If it drips when squeezed, it contains a bit too much water IME. Should work, but likely will make a bit of a mess.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27510124 - 10/19/21 11:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have made my bulk where a little bit drips out when squeezed hard before pasteurizing. I have found I lose a little bit of water and/or it absorbs some more during the pasteurization, as it no longer drips once it's been cooked.
I end up making a mess no matter what.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27510321 - 10/19/21 02:41 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok thanks guys, appreciated!
It's cooling off now (pasteurized over night).
I'll re check moisture before using and add a little more verm if it's still too juicy.
Also... F*ck me it smells jank.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27510483 - 10/19/21 05:37 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I tried the jumbo ziploc bags once like Jake had mentioned, I had pushed out all the air, and it smelled nasty as soon as I pulled it out.
Now I'm using a 21 qt. stock pot in the oven, and the bulk doesn't smell bad until after about 5 days. I don't know if it's the amount of air available or what is making the difference.
It should still colonize even if it stinks.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27510688 - 10/19/21 09:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did it sous vide style in ziplocks. My shed has the delightful aroma of hot shit 🤣
I'll give the oven go next time around.
Thanks for the heads up, I was a bit shocked. It went in smelling like earth, came out smelling "fresh".
I'm going to leave it rest a few days like JOCs tek.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27510708 - 10/19/21 10:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I’ve done instapot like JOC does, and I have also sterilized them in mycobags in the PC. They smell great after sterilization (like they went in). Smell awful after pasteurization and the smell doesn’t get any better with aging. I attribute it to the sulfur gasses the bacteria are giving off - so it’s not a bad thing.
I have found that the best way to deal with it if you grow indoors is to keep a negative pressure setup in your grow room.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27510756 - 10/19/21 11:24 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, negative pressure isn't gonna happen, but uh... I can adapt :p
I put an air purifier down there but not really doing much.
Do they get shroomy once colonized?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bagga]
#27510758 - 10/19/21 11:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me, the bad smell goes away once colonized, but it doesn't smell shroomy at all.
Hindsight is right, the smell only gets worse with a few days of aging.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27511023 - 10/20/21 07:20 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've cold lime pasteurized my substrate. Not sure if best practice gotten green 1x out of 10 but believe it was bad spawn.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#27511071 - 10/20/21 08:03 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you rinse your substrate after cold pasteurizing it? The stuff I've read about that was for growing gourmets and it didn't seem like they rinsed it, leaving me to wonder how high the PH ended up being when the spawn was mixed in. I would think it would be extremely high.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27511125 - 10/20/21 08:55 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rinsing isn't necessary as long as you leave it in open air for a while. The CO2 is what neutralizes the lime.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27511136 - 10/20/21 09:17 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah nice, did not know that co2 neutralized it. Good to know.
What temps are you guys consolidating and fruiting at? I had been doing everything at 78 but saw a post from JOC saying he fruits above 80 (though it may have been only to initiate pinning but I didn't see him say anything about turning the temp back down after that), and I saw Asura's tek mentions 78 for fruiting and 72 for consolidation of substrate.
I spawned 3 full size trays today - two of Gulf Coast Florida (the one I've been growing indoors and outdoors exclusively) and one of JOC's Alabama. I did it in a bathroom with the door closed and fan on. Cleaned up, lit a scented candle, left the fan on and kept the door closed. Three hours later it still absolutely stinks hahaha. Might have to figure out a way to do that outside in the future.
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#27511171 - 10/20/21 09:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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IIRC, JOC uses the higher temps to initiate a great pinset, then you can bring it back down to around 77. They can stay in the low 80s if it's not affecting your living condition, but upper 70s is more ideal.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27511189 - 10/20/21 09:59 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks. I can get to basically any temp in my grow room but the issue is that I will always have several trays going at the same time in different stages which means I need to pick one temp and just stick to that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27512063 - 10/21/21 05:12 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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coversall said:
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MuteUSO said: Would this serve as casing material? https://gluckspilze.com/Casing-soil
Translated it says: "pH: 7 - 7.5 80 % black peat 20 % white peat Moisture uptake to about 60%
This casing soil is ready-to-use, if required just add some water. Made of quality peat mixed with lime. The casing soil is pasteurized, and therefore NON-STERILE."
Thanks for your input! :-)
Not sure what white peat is, and I'm not super up on the pH stuff, there are some teks that talk about the pH of casing.
But I don't see why you couldn't mix that casing with verm and case pans with it.
Have you thought about getting some peat moss and making your own casing?
It seems where I am at it is difficult to find peat moss (Sweden) or at least I have difficulties finding it. When I put "peat moss" in google translate I get "torvmossa" back. When I google that I see products like the following, which are not what I want, right? https://www.cyberzoo.se/sv/articles/2.56.18490/terra-exotica-torvmossa-1-kg-40-liter
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