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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27506605 - 10/16/21 12:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Pitchercrab I'd just do a right angle "roof" like the roof on an A-Frame house. You could take two flat pieces of whatever you have laying around that is moisture proof, tape them together with duct tape and that would be the hinge. Fold it to 90 degrees and set on top - or use some sheet metal that is thin enough to be bent. Even aluminum foil would probably work fine (the heavy duty kind).

Bagga I rarely get all my pieces as short as 1/4" - that's just what I would consider ideal. Mine probably range from 1/4" up to 2".


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27506610 - 10/16/21 12:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think drilling holes in the lid would do anything for condensation? I like the A-frame idea...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27506613 - 10/16/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I kind of doubt it - it wouldn't hurt to try but it's likely just due to the temperature differential. Holes may lower the humidity in the chamber, but I would guess you'd still get the condensation regardless unless the holes allow the humidity to lower so much that you don't get any condensation - though that wouldn't be very good for the pans. You could always try it and if it doesn't work or the humidity goes too low, tape up the top of the lid with foil duct tape to close the holes back up.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27506638 - 10/16/21 12:40 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'm gonna try propping up the lid at different angles first before I mod anything... Here is my first test. I'll probably 3D print some spacer of different heights later. Maybe giving enough of a lid angle will all the condensation to roll down? Although it would work better if the surface was smoother...



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27506671 - 10/16/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah the angle thing is another idea. You could just prop one side of the lid up high and then use cling wrap or something to seal the gap. If there is enough angle, the condensation will just fall down to one side. That way you wouldn't have to worry about venting out all your humidity.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27506697 - 10/16/21 01:27 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if you sprayed the lid with rainex or some other hydrophobic stuff made for windshields if it would stop drops from forming.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 3
    #27506718 - 10/16/21 01:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27506765 - 10/16/21 02:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

So cute! Are they sporeless?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L]
    #27506769 - 10/16/21 02:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

ya the holes are an important part of the design


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27507025 - 10/16/21 06:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gt40]
    #27507157 - 10/16/21 08:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I really think those SGFC style holes are the answer.

I also felt like the small fan I had cycling for 2 min every 3 hours helped a lot. But I'm not fully convinced on that one, and I also believe jcm mentioned getting rid of his fan setup for this fc after some time.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27507185 - 10/16/21 08:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think drilling holes in the lid would do anything for condensation? I like the A-frame idea...




Yes, drill holes.
You can grow Pans without lid holes, yes. But you'll have to drip off the condensation way more often. Also noticed my Pans were way more moisturized compared to the totes with lid holes.  I dripped by lids manually by tilting dripping it on towels and buckets twice a day.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27507203 - 10/16/21 09:07 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm gonna try propping up the lid at different angles first before I mod anything... Here is my first test. I'll probably 3D print some spacer of different heights later. Maybe giving enough of a lid angle will all the condensation to roll down? Although it would work better if the surface was smoother...






The big vent hole might cause a lower humidity, keep track.

On my undrilled lids I used weather stripping foam on all sides to prop up 1.5-2". Cut them into 4" lengths. You could use any idea really. For me the foam seems to be the better option.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
    #27507308 - 10/16/21 11:23 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the input guys. I'm gonna try this propped lid thing for a few days and see how that goes. But I very well may end up drilling the lids. I'll keep you all posted.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab] * 1
    #27507393 - 10/17/21 01:12 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I ended up drilling my lid tonight. In the morning i should have a pretty good idea if it will be enough to reduce the condensation. The holes are in a 5x9 grid about 2” apart.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27507560 - 10/17/21 07:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The good thing is if it’s too much you can just slap some tape over a few.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27507571 - 10/17/21 07:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

ya the holes are a must. i use a 2.0x2.0 grid pattern👍


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27507646 - 10/17/21 08:51 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Well the holes didn't do much, there is still a shitload of condensation. I just made some ~1.5in spacers out of foil to see if that will help at all over the next few hours. In the meantime my little casing bottles are getting absolutely swamped with water. :facepalm:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab] * 1
    #27507819 - 10/17/21 11:16 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'm trying to think of a way to cheaply warm the lid, or the air around the lid. Without a steep angle to allow the condensate to run down, the only way I see to eliminate it is to warm the lid. (Just like keeping windows in a car from fogging up when it's cold outside.)

An electric heating pad on low would probably be too hot, and it would block a lot of light. Seed starting heat mats with a temp controller are expensive, and would still block light as well.

I wonder if an incandescent light bulb or a fluorescent tube placed on top would warm the lid enough to eliminate the condensation. I guess that would only work during the light cycle, it would allow it to cool back down during the dark cycle.

A grow light reflector or hood, (not using a high output bulb of course), might work if you had the room, but I see the shelf above it is too close, plus the same problem would occur at the dark cycle.

If you had a fountain pump, a lot of tubing, and a lot of 90 degree elbows, you could create a make-shift heating pad that could sit on top of the lid, and use the same water that is in the bottom of the FC as the source. This would likely be difficult when you wanted to open the FC, but if you are concerned about additional electricity use, it's plausible. It could be designed to move to the side and slide the lid out... If clear vinyl tubing was used, it would at least allow light to still pass through, plus there could still be gaps between the tubing.

I did this to provide some warmth under a tote, (for cubes), when my room was too cold. I used the heated water from my incubator, so the warm water circulated through the tubing, and was returned back into the incubator. It didn't require any additional heater, but I'm sure it made the aquarium heater run a bit more than if it was used for the incubator alone.

The last idea I have would be to put a skin over the shelf, with a small heater on a temp controller inside it. You wouldn't be heating the entire room, so you would have basically a Jartha without the fogger/evap cycling equipment. It could hold a steady temperature, with the JCM FC(s) inside the tent. This might just shift the problem though, and you might be dealing with condensation running down the tent cover, and pooling on the floor.

It is definitely easier to maintain the temperatures that pans desire during the summer. It's not even that cold where I am yet, and I can see it would be difficult to deal with pan conditions.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27507876 - 10/17/21 12:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Insulating the FC might help. Some bubble wrap, a blanket...


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