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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27493185 - 10/05/21 04:42 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah luckily Rych never listed the ones I sent him cuz my 2 prints won’t feel so he is sending me a few back and I’ll duplicate

In the meantime here’s another ms Burnell tray





sweeeeet i cant wait to see u get those back and get sum spread out there cuz those things are unique as hell and awsum lookin.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27493187 - 10/05/21 04:44 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Version 2 of my silent swamp. It's quiet and super nondescript (cooler on a shelf), and more importantly bearing legit fruit :laugh: (by my standards. New to pans!). No humidifier here, instead it's a aquarium heater + fan.



Not sure when I'll build a next try, but a few things want to be different. Thicker cooler walls would reduce condensation, which is proving to be an annoyance as ambient temperature cools down. Bigger water reservoir so it's more hands-off would be nice.




This is amazing. I'm thinking of building a heater + fan setup myself. Or even a passive setup, similar to SGFC, where the air will be drawn into the tub by the means of warm humid air inside the tub rising up and going out of some top holes. I'll probably test that at some point just for kicks. Even if it won't be much good for Pans, can still use it for Reishi/other perfectly fine.




thats basicly how mine works too👍👍👍


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27493197 - 10/05/21 05:05 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, your design actually inspired me, but I was thinking how to bypass the pumps and make it more passive :laugh: This will obviously provide less FAE, but it might still be enough, especially in a big enough tub.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ForestFunGuyGal]
    #27493282 - 10/05/21 07:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Version 2 of my silent swamp. It's quiet and super nondescript (cooler on a shelf), and more importantly bearing legit fruit :laugh: (by my standards. New to pans!). No humidifier here, instead it's a aquarium heater + fan.



Not sure when I'll build a next try, but a few things want to be different. Thicker cooler walls would reduce condensation, which is proving to be an annoyance as ambient temperature cools down. Bigger water reservoir so it's more hands-off would be nice.




Now I know what to do with that giant cooler in my closet! Thanks for the idea!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27493309 - 10/05/21 08:15 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thx all :laugh:. FOrgot to mention, FAE comes in through the black pipe at left btw via HEPA filter (overkill, I know). So the fan serves multiple purposes: FAE, humidity, keeping air swirling inside.

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thats basicly how mine works too👍👍👍




Yup! I was basically shooting for making a quiet version of yours. No pumps.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ForestFunGuyGal]
    #27493383 - 10/05/21 09:43 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting, so you have no exhaust pipe? Just a passive exchange through that one pipe and swirling it around?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27493695 - 10/05/21 03:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, no, there is an exhaust pipe, not pictured. It's near bottom left of the picture.

The idea is air swirls like crazy. It's mostly recirculating. The constant friction over the water's surface yields humidity, together with that being the source of heat.

But the inlet pipe semi-passively allows air in. The HEPA filter together with positioning of the pipe results in a trickle coming in.

The inlet pipe has mesh fabric to keep bugs/shit out. If I remove that and put a fine human hair over the exhaust, it barely dances. That tells me FAE is enough. A trickle, but a constant trickle.

If you guys think it's worthy I might refine this and eventually post a new thread. A few things do want to be different...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ForestFunGuyGal]
    #27493701 - 10/05/21 03:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I see, I'm actually surprised that's enough, but we learn something new every day! I think you could adjust how much new air comes in based on how you modify the shape of the in/out pipes. But since the Pans don't look FAE-starved, I think you're good. Even makes me think that my heater-only setup that I have in mind could work pretty well.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27493712 - 10/05/21 03:30 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

My tray is coming along and I'm seeing some pins form in a couple more trays. These are quite slow to fruit but it could be due to my skill level, contams, etc.



About as nice of a pan plate as I have grown. Variety is Rainbow Eucalyptus. Will put this to grain tonight or tomorrow.





Question about everyone's tent cycles: The way I read JOC's cycle info, it seems the air in his tent is quite hot and dry the vast majority of the time. If I read it right, he does 1:30 mist, then 1:30 mist + vent at the same time, then another 1:30 vent, and then rest 10 full minutes before starting that cycle over again with mist. That means about 3 mins of humid conditions, and 10 minutes of bone dry conditions. The idea being that you are dumping so much mist in those 3 minutes that it actually waters the substrate, replacing what the mycelium use and what was evaporated during the 10 minute rest cycle, and the 10 minute rest cycle serves to promote pinning from all the evaporation.

Is that how most of you are running things? I've been feeling like 6-10 minute dry cycles might be too much dry time for my fruits to handle so have been doing very short fogging cycles, but letting it rest with the heavy fog in the tent. So I'll do 1:30 mist (I only have a 3 disc mister), then let it sit 6 mins in that, then vent for 1 min, and then let sit in that dry air for 2 mins. I play around with the cycles every few days to keep things from getting too wet or too dry but am still wondering about how long of a dry cycle the pans can tolerate (assuming the misting cycle is balanced to where the trays neither dry out nor flood).


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27493728 - 10/05/21 03:46 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I don't have a good answer for the cycle question, but I saw a while back, (IIRC), that he is using a 12 disc fogger for 2 tents. I think that is a reason why his mist cycles are so short. That is the biggest fogger available that I know of, so his re-hydration doesn't take very long.

Those fruits are looking great!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27493808 - 10/05/21 04:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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My tray is coming along and I'm seeing some pins form in a couple more trays. These are quite slow to fruit but it could be due to my skill level, contams, etc.



About as nice of a pan plate as I have grown. Variety is Rainbow Eucalyptus. Will put this to grain tonight or tomorrow.





Question about everyone's tent cycles: The way I read JOC's cycle info, it seems the air in his tent is quite hot and dry the vast majority of the time. If I read it right, he does 1:30 mist, then 1:30 mist + vent at the same time, then another 1:30 vent, and then rest 10 full minutes before starting that cycle over again with mist. That means about 3 mins of humid conditions, and 10 minutes of bone dry conditions. The idea being that you are dumping so much mist in those 3 minutes that it actually waters the substrate, replacing what the mycelium use and what was evaporated during the 10 minute rest cycle, and the 10 minute rest cycle serves to promote pinning from all the evaporation.

Is that how most of you are running things? I've been feeling like 6-10 minute dry cycles might be too much dry time for my fruits to handle so have been doing very short fogging cycles, but letting it rest with the heavy fog in the tent. So I'll do 1:30 mist (I only have a 3 disc mister), then let it sit 6 mins in that, then vent for 1 min, and then let sit in that dry air for 2 mins. I play around with the cycles every few days to keep things from getting too wet or too dry but am still wondering about how long of a dry cycle the pans can tolerate (assuming the misting cycle is balanced to where the trays neither dry out nor flood).



First of all it's not a bone dry inside after the cycle. It's humid but not extremуly. Another thing is that if you push good amount of water in pair with venting it drops the temperature smoothly, but when you stop - temperature immediately start to rise back and simultaneously push the humidity up. Not much, but I was curious. I rent the industrial hygrometr and note that thing.

Now I run a small room instead of Martha's for a two weeks and still playing with cycle. What I've learned from that period already push things on a wetter side is not best way to start tuning the condition. I have super weired first flush of australian cyans (worser then any of my Martha grows) then I decrease amount of water and prolong rest period from 15 to 30 min (probably sounds scary) and get way way better second flush. Fruiting bodies reacts so vital.
I will load it again with peace river trays and will see how it turns next week.

Also I like Asura's advice to put empty trays and control the surface area to figure out cycle impact, very reasonable I guess.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gt40] * 3
    #27493883 - 10/05/21 06:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a nice Pan bisporus germ plate I just started. Liking the look so far!



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] * 1
    #27493905 - 10/05/21 06:12 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Hi, I got a quick question on my Pan grain jars. I tried the search function but got different answers.

Is it advisable to shake pan jars? I figured that the mycelium is more fragile/doesn't recover as quickly as cube mycelium. These jars take their sweet time...



Thank you in advance for any guidance.





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you can shake just like any other mushroom IMHO

can post a photo of my jars I shook three days ago tomorrow







Just to follow up, here is a photo of a pan cambo jar 5 days after I gave it a shake




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27494135 - 10/05/21 10:26 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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My tray is coming along and I'm seeing some pins form in a couple more trays. These are quite slow to fruit but it could be due to my skill level, contams, etc.




and strain, it seems, for me. Texas pinned in 5 days, estero 14. I was literally throwing them out when I took a careful look and saw pins.

I bet different strains have subtle different needs, I'm probably just not giving em what they want.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27494298 - 10/06/21 03:56 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Here is a nice Pan bisporus germ plate I just started. Liking the look so far!






That's gorgeous for Bisporus! Can't wait to see your results!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 4
    #27494638 - 10/06/21 11:03 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'm currently doing my first grow ever and its Pan Cyans, just because I was given the spores and decided heck why not give this hobby a shot.
I did my research and decided to (unfortunately) keep it small and minimal.

My setup is a pot of dung that I inoculated with some LC and a casing layer of fresh spaghnum moss + vermiculite.
I'm slowly harvesting my first mushrooms and even though the conditions are extremely suboptimal I'm super excited that this stuff works!

So I guess as long as you do your research pans are very doable even with a shitty setup. No excuses!





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27494660 - 10/06/21 11:19 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I am going to attempt a grow with trays in a SGFC above perlite (I know it's not ideal, but currently nothing more high tek is working out for me).

Anyways, I wanted to do three trays in a 130litre/quart SGFC - is this size too large for a Pan SGFC (as I envision it)?

Thanks for your input!

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If three trays fit and there is still about half of the surface area exposed it should be ok (I don't know the dimensions of your 130qt tub, and it's the surface area not the volume that matters). I'm guessing there wouldn't be though.

I have a friend who grew pans in an SGFC. It didn't produce the kind of flushes the experts in this thread show pics of but he got a few doses out of a tray.




Thanks a lot for your answer! So I had the following in mind. A SGFC 56cm width, 78cm length = about 4300cm2. Three trays á 20cm length, 15cm width = 1200cm2. So that should be possible, or is it a problem that less than half the surface is covered?


But, okay, it is good to hear that volume doesn't matter. I was worrying that I might use too little perlite so that the trays are to far from the top cover (or, in other words, that there is too much free air within the SGFC). But as I get it that is not really a problem, right?


Can anyone explain why it is that half of the surface needs to be exposed?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MuteUSO]
    #27494704 - 10/06/21 12:10 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Aspergilly, those stems look fat for pans, especially for a little grow like yours. Nice work! Do you know what variety those are?

MuteUSO - Three trays in that SGFC should be fine. The less surface that is covered, the better, and the reason is that you aren't going to get much airflow up through the perlite and into the air over the areas covered by the trays. Think about having one big tray the same size as the whole surface area - it would block the upward airflow nearly completely. Sure some air will get around the gaps the perlite surface creates between the bottom of the trays and the perlite but you get what I'm saying. And no, I wouldn't worry about too much height. You can always increase the depth of the perlite if you are really worried about it but I would just ensure you have a good 8-10 inches of depth or more.




Now on to my own questions

This grain jar of Alabama inoculated with an agar wedge is at 4 days. I'm still getting used to how pan mycelium grows and not sure if this looks right or fast enough:



What I would call the start of a good plate:


What I would call the start of a questionable plate, but I am not sure. The difference is in the solidity of the center - only the very edges are wispy like the photo above - the center is much more dense, solid and white. Any opinions?


It seems like that last plate can tend to grow out into this, which I don't even know what the hell is going on here:


And here's an MS plate where the mycelium looks a bit odd to me - even the edges aren't very wispy. This is Huasteca.


I did find that the grip-ridges on the edge of my disposable plates was causing my parafilm to tear on a number of plates. It could be that was causing contamination, though it's odd it was never bacterial. I've since switched to cling wrap and I'm going to switch my agar formula to see if that may have anything to do with these odd looking plates.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Aspergilly]
    #27494745 - 10/06/21 12:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm currently doing my first grow ever and its Pan Cyans, just because I was given the spores and decided heck why not give this hobby a shot.
I did my research and decided to (unfortunately) keep it small and minimal.

My setup is a pot of dung that I inoculated with some LC and a casing layer of fresh spaghnum moss + vermiculite.
I'm slowly harvesting my first mushrooms and even though the conditions are extremely suboptimal I'm super excited that this stuff works!

So I guess as long as you do your research pans are very doable even with a shitty setup. No excuses!









Great job man it’s amazing you got that for a first ever grow. A testament to what can happen when you do the work and follow directions.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MuteUSO]
    #27494838 - 10/06/21 01:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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I am going to attempt a grow with trays in a SGFC above perlite (I know it's not ideal, but currently nothing more high tek is working out for me).

Anyways, I wanted to do three trays in a 130litre/quart SGFC - is this size too large for a Pan SGFC (as I envision it)?

Thanks for your input!

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Hindsight said:
If three trays fit and there is still about half of the surface area exposed it should be ok (I don't know the dimensions of your 130qt tub, and it's the surface area not the volume that matters). I'm guessing there wouldn't be though.

I have a friend who grew pans in an SGFC. It didn't produce the kind of flushes the experts in this thread show pics of but he got a few doses out of a tray.




Thanks a lot for your answer! So I had the following in mind. A SGFC 56cm width, 78cm length = about 4300cm2. Three trays á 20cm length, 15cm width = 1200cm2. So that should be possible, or is it a problem that less than half the surface is covered?


But, okay, it is good to hear that volume doesn't matter. I was worrying that I might use too little perlite so that the trays are to far from the top cover (or, in other words, that there is too much free air within the SGFC). But as I get it that is not really a problem, right?


Can anyone explain why it is that half of the surface needs to be exposed?




I literally wasted a year trying to get perlite to work. Obviously some people pull it off, but gah


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