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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TheDoobsker]
#27477105 - 09/21/21 03:13 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not much info out there on this that I could find, but if you are going for max size/weight and not spore prints, what do you look for as an indicator for optimal time to harvest? The few threads I could find talked about looking for cap color change but my cap colors seem pretty variable, and they seem to lighten with age instead of darken. About the only other visual indicators I have are seeing spores drop, and some flattening of the caps, though I've yet to see any of these caps go completely flat or convex.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27477146 - 09/21/21 03:51 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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My last round all turned green. After seeing what happened with the one jar this time, I can be pretty sure there was mold in the LC on my last run.
Three "shakeable macmerdin jars" - half a cup shredded straw and 1/4 cup water added to the macmerdin recipe.

One jar left unshaken, two shaken at day five after inoculation. The middle, shaken jar is fully colonized after 10 days.
The leftmost mold jar completely blew up with white 12 hours after the shake, so I knew something was up. It took a few more days to go green.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27477263 - 09/21/21 05:42 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hindsight, I've only had some of my caps flatten out, and none of them have turned convex. (Does the RH and mist need to be dialed back for a day to make that happen?) I do see them stop growing visually, and they've usually dropped all their spores by then. They start falling over by this point, and if I don't harvest all of them soon, they all start falling over on their own. I think that is as good as they get in terms of weight.
Karrion, that's a bummer about the mold. I have not had any success with pan LCs yet, but I am loving the tried and trued agar to grain inoculation. I have been eagerly awaiting updates on your shakeable McMerdin inspired jars. Since your substrate is shakeable, why not just use agar wedges and treat them like grain jars? I know some growers have great success with pan LCs, but it seems unnecessary to me. When using grain to bulk techniques, I only use one pint of grain per tray of bulk, so I don't see the need to make a LC when I'm only noccing up several jars. If I needed 3 dozen grain jars, like for cubes, that's a different story.
Anyway, I am really wanting to see this technique work for you! Best to everyone!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n]
#27477359 - 09/21/21 06:37 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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karri0n said: My last round all turned green. After seeing what happened with the one jar this time, I can be pretty sure there was mold in the LC on my last run.
Did you test your LC beforehand? Just asking cause I never do and wondering if you did and it wasn't showing on the plate.
I love LC cause once it's ready it's straight forward to noc up 10 jars, no flaming blades, not stack of plates in the SAB just pour and done. But I probably have a similar experience as ruawakeyet, pans are not doing so well taking hold on my grain, my prep is good and it doesn't matter whether it's rye, wheat or oats. It just takes a long time before it's ready to shake, other than that it works well and the spawn colonizes the sub just normal.
Probably will go agar to grain and g2g from now on if I want to have more, g2g works fine. Wood lovers and cubes are doing great with LC noc up though.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27477375 - 09/21/21 06:52 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: Hindsight, I've only had some of my caps flatten out, and none of them have turned convex. (Does the RH and mist need to be dialed back for a day to make that happen?) I do see them stop growing visually, and they've usually dropped all their spores by then. They start falling over by this point, and if I don't harvest all of them soon, they all start falling over on their own. I think that is as good as they get in terms of weight.
Great explanation thank you
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: savan73]
#27477440 - 09/21/21 08:07 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking sexy on oats to me Tractor supply oats at that haha. Hopefully I’m not missing something and can give the oats folks some hope. Thanks again for the wild coast print, N.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Southerner] 1
#27477709 - 09/22/21 03:06 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright, temperatures are still a bit too low to really dive into mono tubs but I got me a little pan playground going for the purpose of finding some good genetics for my tubs. So I made a few jars with different variations of H-manure, straw, coir and used either rolled oats or wheat bran as source of nutrition and just put a ziplock bag over them.

My reasoning here is that if I can manage to get a few clones from this then these sets of genetics should be doing well in a tub, well I don't know if that is true but why not try. So this really is a "fuck it, let's see what happens" experiment.
Some of the jars are prepped really wet and some are nice and fluffy and the substrates are made with different ratios of the above mentioned ingredients. Some were cased with 50/50 and some with just verm. The 50/50 got overlay and I re-cased it with verm.

As I said my temps are still low and are now in the range of 66-70oF (18-22oC) and when I started this it was even a few degrees colder which made for a long wait till full colonization.
The wet prepped jars took like 5-6 weeks to fully colonize and started to grow a few knots here and there but as soon as I opened and cased these jars they knotted up like crazy, like in the hundreds but would not pin at all and still don't. It actually looks like the knots are more like mini sclerotia with a clear center and some are turning blue.

The fluffy substrate I could shake up, it colonized a bit faster and didn't knot up before casing. Finally in one of them the first pins showed up today.

So it looks like I'm getting a few clones out of this. Now I regret that I made like twenty more jars with new cultures from scratch cause nothing was happening for so long and I felt like I had to up the numbers
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27477716 - 09/22/21 03:23 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beautiful fruiting setup! Low-tech but functional. I think all of them will pin eventually, be patient.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27477828 - 09/22/21 06:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi everyone,
I am attempting my first Pan grow and wondered whether these pellets would suffice as substrate base? I am also wondering whether they still need to be pasteurized (as they probably have been pressed using much heat).
https://www.wexthuset.com/tradgardsskotsel-underhall/naring-godsel/jordforbattring/substral-hastgodsel-7-kg
Thanks a lot for your input!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MuteUSO]
#27477910 - 09/22/21 08:07 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can’t read that language but I assume those are pellets made from ground up straw powder? If so, people have had success with them yes, but not widely used by many growers. You will need to mix manure with it too. I’ve tried it several times (rehydrated straw pellets plus manure mix) and I didn’t get results. Didn’t get full colonization. I dumped the trays outside on the ground and a few weeks later I got some fruits growing off them, but not many. I can post a pic later. I found that manure + rehydrated straw pellets forms a very dense mush. I think if you use those materials, you’ll need to add something else to give you some fluff. I don’t think vermiculite will even be enough to fluff it up. Maybe someone with better experience than me will chime in but I considered mixing in coir or even perlite. Once I get my indoor tent grow dialed in using chopped straw and manure, I plan to keep trying with the straw pellets because I hate dealing with chopping straw and working with it. So messy and time consuming.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27477914 - 09/22/21 08:10 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Translated name and description:
Substral Horse manure, 7 kg
Organic KRAV approved fertilizer. Approved for organic farming. 100% natural ingredients. Improves soil fertility, increases soil content. Suitable for all garden plants. Ideal for raised cultivation beds. User-friendly with simple and hygienic application. Odorless after application in the soil. Used from February to October.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Camera93] 2
#27478086 - 09/22/21 10:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pan Bali and Hawaii. The top-middle container is hawaii the reset are Bali. I noticed they grew out at the same time but they are much different in some ways.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
#27478131 - 09/22/21 11:14 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beautiful.
I like when the caps roll up like the bottom ones.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] 6
#27478196 - 09/22/21 12:21 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those look great PhosCap. I'd be thrilled with an indoor flush like that.
My outdoor beds keep producing and getting increasingly dense. I've already harvested some and am drying them now. Will be interesting to see how much total weight I get when the beds are done.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27478360 - 09/22/21 02:33 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very nice outdoor project!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L]
#27478538 - 09/22/21 05:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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My second grow with an experimental inconspicuous setup is going much better than the first, will post pics soon. Pins so much fatter than last time. It's like they grow wide before they grow tall 
But a quick question: this success I'm only seeing in pan cyan Texas. I also have Estero going. Jars look just as healthy. But it seems like all the myc wants to do is overlay. It wasn't too overlayed after casing (consolidated two days), but now seems to be in a cycle: myc gets fuzzy and colonizes the case, I spray and it melts, repeat.
Too little FAE? Too thin case?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#27478718 - 09/22/21 07:45 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im quite happy with that first flush. the Bali is incredibly fast compared to others I grew and more able to grow in shittier environments. It was the only Pan that started fruiting without a casing layer.
Hindsight, And I'd be thrilled to have an outdoor patch like that. The cold season is here now. My window for outdoor growing is done.
Second flush of the bag tek in my basement. Required to turn on a heater to keep temp around 72-74. And running the same two small fans to keep airflow happening.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
#27479000 - 09/23/21 02:11 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi PhosCap! Loving the low tech techniques! I have also tried both mod and unmod tubs and both resulted in great results with my Wild Coasts. However, they did not drop any spores (not out of hundreds or even thousands of fruits). Did yours?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27479014 - 09/23/21 03:12 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: I can’t read that language but I assume those are pellets made from ground up straw powder? If so, people have had success with them yes, but not widely used by many growers. You will need to mix manure with it too. I’ve tried it several times (rehydrated straw pellets plus manure mix) and I didn’t get results. Didn’t get full colonization. I dumped the trays outside on the ground and a few weeks later I got some fruits growing off them, but not many. I can post a pic later. I found that manure + rehydrated straw pellets forms a very dense mush. I think if you use those materials, you’ll need to add something else to give you some fluff. I don’t think vermiculite will even be enough to fluff it up. Maybe someone with better experience than me will chime in but I considered mixing in coir or even perlite. Once I get my indoor tent grow dialed in using chopped straw and manure, I plan to keep trying with the straw pellets because I hate dealing with chopping straw and working with it. So messy and time consuming.
Hi there and thanks for your answer. Sorry, I should have provided a translation. These are horse manure pellets.
Can I just rehydrate them and pasteurize? If so, is there a tek around for this?
https://www.wexthuset.com/tradgardsskotsel-underhall/naring-godsel/jordforbattring/substral-hastgodsel-7-kg
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