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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: elpico]
#27460142 - 09/08/21 07:43 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feedback! I took tissue clones but now I am reluctant to run those if this is bad genetics... although maybe cherrypicking the ones that DID mature is a good idea and not a bad one. I do want to keep trying theswe since this is the only Pan I have gotten this far with so they seem "lucky" to me now... and they have a cool name.
I am also wondering if my sub is dry and after they pin, they just can't get enough juice to really flush out. My straw was not soaked when I brought everything to field capacity and after sterilization it seemed a lil dry. I did not do the microwave test either. Oops. Soaking straw next time.
Question: Do you think I should try to hydrate the sub more at this point? Either by injection or soaking? Is that a thing you can do with pans?
Is a scrape and recase a thing you can do with pans?
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elpico said: LeftSideDriver, I'm going to suggest the possibility that what you're seeing is a result of strange genetics. I've been working with Rainbow Eucalyptus and those small blackish fruits look very familiar. I've had trays where they formed stunted dwarf fruits and others that developed into mature fruits with bizarre phenotypes. Some trays gave a mixture of normal fruits and the black dwarf fruits. Both of the phenotypes below came from the same print:

I would run a few more cultures and see what you get.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LeftSideDriver]
#27460151 - 09/08/21 07:53 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would use scissors to cut off your aborts. Try to leave the casing in place, and mist heavy with some distilled water. I think it's fine to see some water on the side of your substrate, and don't worry if your casing is soaked.
It should pin again for ya. I would maybe try bumping up the low setting of the humidity controller. Maybe 80% instead of 75%?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27460255 - 09/08/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks! I will try that! I picked some of the aborts already with tweezers very carefully. I am soaking those two trays with sterilized, distilled water and will dump out the excess water and put back into FC after about an hour of soaking. The other small trays I will just mist heavily as you suggest and do a lil A/B testing.
Another data point is that in my big trays, one of the substrates was partially composted straw / manure a al Agar's Magic Compost recipe. I used it a little earlier than 6 weeks but it was looking really good. It seems to be yielding bigger pins. They may end up aborting too but its another data point nonetheless! This sub was also compacted a bit more than the uncomposted straw / poo so there is probably more moisture.
Smaller pins:

Larger pins with composted sub:

Some trays have water building up so I am dumping that off. Seems like it will cause fermentation / contam if I don't.
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ruawakeyet said: I would use scissors to cut off your aborts. Try to leave the casing in place, and mist heavy with some distilled water. I think it's fine to see some water on the side of your substrate, and don't worry if your casing is soaked.
It should pin again for ya. I would maybe try bumping up the low setting of the humidity controller. Maybe 80% instead of 75%?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#27460259 - 09/08/21 09:55 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just asking what went wrong with this winter pan grow it was full of side pins and basically only grow where there weren't casing?
I had the exact same issue. Mine looks exactly the same. My guess is the sides contain more moisture and is less height then the middle. hmm.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27460270 - 09/08/21 10:03 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: Hey everyone! I’m planning on building a JCM FC pretty soon and I’m trying to figure out if I can use this old Rena 400 aquarium air pump I already have. It pushes 266Lph which is about 70Gph. Is that way too little for a 66qt tub? According to my math my pump would provide 4 air exchanges per hour which theoretically should be enough for Pans. However JCM’s TEK calls for 2 pumps that combined push about 500Gph, so its far less than that. I’d love any thoughts you all have!
I’m also interested in peoples thoughts on this as I have a similar set up. When I tried it last time it seemed too wet. Wonder if you could make any tweaks like more holes or a smaller tub….
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
#27460299 - 09/08/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just ordered gear for my first Jartha (jocs Tek), really excited for a new challenge. I've been growing cubes in monos for ~7 months, and spent the last two reading up on pans.
I hate to pan-handle 
Can anyone to send me a pan swab or two to get started? US based.
Happy to trade swabs of the cube varieties I have (Gt, EC, Mckennai, Ksss/ufo, ape. Soon: yeti, amvp, jack frost, NST, Apeu)
Looking forward to sharing in this thread!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
#27460331 - 09/08/21 10:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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PhosCap said:
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Just asking what went wrong with this winter pan grow it was full of side pins and basically only grow where there weren't casing?
I had the exact same issue. Mine looks exactly the same. My guess is the sides contain more moisture and is less height then the middle. hmm. 
Ye I think the sides do have more moisture What do you guys think?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#27460337 - 09/08/21 10:44 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if its pointing to your casing being the issue then what is the pH of your casing and whats in it? I previously thought 50/50+ was appropriate but I went with the 7.6 pH recommended in the JOC tek and I am pretty sure that my casing isn't one of many problems so there is that.
I guess the other factor would be moisture in your casing. Did it get the mist / evap cycle it needed?
Maybe try syringe watering it?
Im really in no position to be giving anyone pan advice but I suppose these are questions worth asking.
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Just asking what went wrong with this winter pan grow it was full of side pins and basically only grow where there weren't casing?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LeftSideDriver] 1
#27460420 - 09/08/21 12:05 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gein the mushrooms look pretty healthy so I bet you’ve almost got it dialed in.
I’d guess it was a little too dry based on how they pinned on the edge. Evaporation seems to be a bigger thing than with cubes also. As much fae as possible while keeping it wet.
It’s super dry where I’m at, like 10-15% rh, and at first I thought it would be impossible to grow pans but it turned out to be a huge benefit. Keeping it nice and foggy in the tub and then blasting it with dry air creates a ton of evaporation.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27460498 - 09/08/21 01:22 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome this is just a normal mono, I've been doing these guys in winter because there the only ones that really seems to grow during the cold weather.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
#27460520 - 09/08/21 01:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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PhosCap said:
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Geinstein said:

Just asking what went wrong with this winter pan grow it was full of side pins and basically only grow where there weren't casing?
I had the exact same issue. Mine looks exactly the same. My guess is the sides contain more moisture and is less height then the middle. hmm. 
as A.k.a said. I bet the airflow kisses the edges of the trays more and evaporate way more because of that. Involves sides in proper cycle while center stay relatively untouched. Swirl dynamic of the fruiting bodies also indicates some air starvation
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gt40]
#27460645 - 09/08/21 03:48 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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How quickly after pasteurizing your straw/manure substrate are you guys spawning to it? I have read at least one person say they like to let the substrate rest for 7-10 days after pasteurizing because it lowers contamination chance based on their observations. I think it might have been someone who sterilizes the substrate, instead of pasteurizes it though so there may be a difference there.
I decided to try resting the substrate for 5 days after pasteurization and I see something growing in there (keep in mind I have not added my grain spawn to this). So wondering if resting the substrate is such a great idea.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 2
#27460650 - 09/08/21 03:53 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Letting it sit after pasteurizing will let the beneficial bacteria build up but you can use it as soon as it cools down.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27460683 - 09/08/21 04:27 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was my assumption too but does the stuff in the jar look like beneficial bacteria to your eyes? I don't know what to look for but I am assuming whatever is growing in there is not good.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27460751 - 09/08/21 05:23 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've always preferred pans to cubes but I took a few at burning man and felt really annoyed and upset for no other reason. A couple homies also took them and felt the same way. Maybe it was the wrong environment, The mushrooms also were pretty damp and could've looked fresher/nicer when picked. Maybe my sogginess was the issue. Anyone have insight/ experience with some iffy mushrooms or pans? Love
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27461192 - 09/09/21 02:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: Hey everyone! I’m planning on building a JCM FC pretty soon and I’m trying to figure out if I can use this old Rena 400 aquarium air pump I already have. It pushes 266Lph which is about 70Gph. Is that way too little for a 66qt tub? According to my math my pump would provide 4 air exchanges per hour which theoretically should be enough for Pans. However JCM’s TEK calls for 2 pumps that combined push about 500Gph, so its far less than that. I’d love any thoughts you all have!
I fixed the link in my write up and sent you the deets of the pump I use in my set up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27461611 - 09/09/21 10:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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coversall said:
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PitcherCrab said: Hey everyone! I’m planning on building a JCM FC pretty soon and I’m trying to figure out if I can use this old Rena 400 aquarium air pump I already have. It pushes 266Lph which is about 70Gph. Is that way too little for a 66qt tub? According to my math my pump would provide 4 air exchanges per hour which theoretically should be enough for Pans. However JCM’s TEK calls for 2 pumps that combined push about 500Gph, so its far less than that. I’d love any thoughts you all have!
I fixed the link in my write up and sent you the deets of the pump I use in my set up.

What are your pump specs?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PhosCap]
#27461633 - 09/09/21 10:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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PhosCap said:
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coversall said:
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PitcherCrab said: Hey everyone! I’m planning on building a JCM FC pretty soon and I’m trying to figure out if I can use this old Rena 400 aquarium air pump I already have. It pushes 266Lph which is about 70Gph. Is that way too little for a 66qt tub? According to my math my pump would provide 4 air exchanges per hour which theoretically should be enough for Pans. However JCM’s TEK calls for 2 pumps that combined push about 500Gph, so its far less than that. I’d love any thoughts you all have!
I fixed the link in my write up and sent you the deets of the pump I use in my set up.

What are your pump specs?
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Pawfly MC-3000 pump. This was listed on amazon as a Uniclife 7w pump. But the box and pump say Pawfly MC-3000. It's a 7 watt pump, with an 'exhaust' of 16L/Min, and pressure of 0.025 Mpa. I'm not entirely sure what this means
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Vinci]
#27461643 - 09/09/21 11:05 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vinci said: I've always preferred pans to cubes but I took a few at burning man and felt really annoyed and upset for no other reason. A couple homies also took them and felt the same way. Maybe it was the wrong environment, The mushrooms also were pretty damp and could've looked fresher/nicer when picked. Maybe my sogginess was the issue. Anyone have insight/ experience with some iffy mushrooms or pans? Love
Bruh.. never eat damp shrooms. There's your problem, they could have been moldy already from improper storage.
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