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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27451766 - 09/01/21 03:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks guys for the input. I will check how it goes and try my luck if it looks good. So far it grows at a fast and steady pace.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fridgedoor] * 1
    #27451768 - 09/01/21 03:39 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks guys for the input. I will check how it goes and try my luck if it looks good. So far it grows at a fast and steady pace.




My personal approach is to test cultures by trying to grow them :wink:

Like I err on the side of growing it rather then tossing it. So if anything is a maybe I take it as far as I can.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall] * 3
    #27452353 - 09/01/21 02:06 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27453270 - 09/02/21 07:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I have a question about ideal humidity, cycling, and FAE control.

I have put together my pan growing setup and am very excited to hopefully get my first flush.

I built the fairly common Martha greenhouse setup with a water tub sitting outside of it that has an ultrasonic fogger inside it, and a fan on top of it the pushes air in, and forces humidified air out of a 6" tube that goes to the top of the martha.

I have digital temp and humidity controllers so I can do whatever I want with temps, humidity levels, etc.

My hope is to not have to deal with cycle timers - I was hoping to just use the humidity controller to kick both the fan and the fogger on when humidity drops to a certain point, and let the fan/fog that gets pumped in serve to provide both humidity and FAE. But I know surface evaporation is really important so I'm looking for info on what kind of settings I should be running to ensure adequate evaporation - I feel like if my RH is nearly constantly at 90-95%, there's not going to be enough evap. So I was considering setting my hygrometer controller to target 95% with a 15% differential so it comes on at 80% RH and pumps air and fog in until it hits 95% then shuts off.

Do you think that is a good plan and if not, what do you find is optimal?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27453339 - 09/02/21 08:23 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Not the ideal answer expected but maybe best is to try observe how it turn and adapt during 1st fruiting..


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: V.L] * 1
    #27453423 - 09/02/21 09:53 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

This is exactly why I don’t run controllers they don’t allow you to optimize conditions I’m sure you could find a medium that works but in my opinion It won’t be optimal this is precisely why I opted for repeat cycle timers over a controller


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27453438 - 09/02/21 10:08 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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This is exactly why I don’t run controllers they don’t allow you to optimize conditions I’m sure you could find a medium that works but in my opinion It won’t be optimal this is precisely why I opted for repeat cycle timers over a controller




Thanks for the info. Can you give me any hints on how best to optimize conditions using cycle timers? Do you use a hygrometer to at least see what humidity levels/fluctuations you have and then adjust the cycle timers accordingly? What specific visual clues or cues are you looking for in order to know you have everything right? I've read so many teks and this is the vaguest and most "just do it" subject of all pan teks. I can certainly take a trial and error approach but am looking for the best possible starting place.

Using the controller, I now have it set to kick on fan + fogger together at 82% humidity and run until 95% humidity. I keep my room (that the martha is in) at a constant temp and a constant 50% RH. With this setup, it's almost like it's on a cycle timer because it kicks on every X minutes consistently. But it's definitely not allowing me to run the fan separate from the fogger and I just don't know if/why I would want or need to, hence the question in the previous paragraph: What is a good starting point and what cues am I looking for?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 2
    #27453454 - 09/02/21 10:21 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I just went by how wet the surface was visually to adjust the timer cycles.


It took a lot of tedious adjustments to get it right but once you do it you’re set forever and it’s awesome.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27453473 - 09/02/21 10:33 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Damnit you guys! Everything has to be trial and error in this hobby lol. Can't at least one thing be, turn the knob to 11 and go?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27453490 - 09/02/21 11:00 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I set an inkbird to max humidity. Had it hold for a few minutes (Been a minute).

Then fan would kick in at 120% humidity I think. Bringing it down to maybe 80% and then the cycle would repeat. Still had to bottom water. I'm lazy and it was foggy and I was all :thumbup:
Was working on dialing it in before my lab explored metaphorically speaking.

Tent 1.0. Have most of the parts for a fogger, going to swap fans around and not use old cannabis growing supplies.
That light is usually set to the cooler blue function, but gets a bit hot. Blurple COB. Fan is some POS off craigslist that has 2 fans that can either exhaust or intake. It was always on set to max and cool. Pushing the water vapor down. On the outside of the tent is a 6in fan set to turn on at max humidity on inkbird.

Sorry I suck at writing, let me know if you need clarification.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
    #27453590 - 09/02/21 12:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So JOC, if I'm to understand your setup correctly from your tek, you really don't even know what humidity levels you are running at all - you're basically just saturating it to or past 100% humidity to where it's actually watering the mushrooms and substrate, and then pulling ambient room air in which is fairly dry (maybe like 40% RH?) and then repeating the cycle every 10 mins or so. Which means the mushrooms may be spending the majority of the time at 40% RH and this is ok for them so long as they get that regular 10-minute misting?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 2
    #27454155 - 09/02/21 08:43 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

40% will fry them usually.

80% is the lowest I would recommend, 85% is probably better. I love the fogger setup, it's easy to visually see what is happening. If you can raise the temperature a few degrees after the fog cycle and let that air sit, that will lower the relative humidity without frying the fruits.

I have to say I don't recommend the dial type cycle timers. (BN link or Ipower) They are impossible to get accurate to the second, so I have to reset one every 24 hours or so. For example, I can get an ON cycle of 5 minutes 2 seconds on one, and 5 minutes 4 seconds on the other. The smallest change will go to an ON cycle of 4 minutes plus a few seconds, or to around 7 and a half minutes.

I plan on ordering digital cycle timers and deal with the programming hassles. I think that is the only way I will be happy with my tuning abilities.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
    #27454504 - 09/03/21 07:29 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks ruawakeyet, that makes sense. And yeah I had already ordered digital timers and they are on the way. I have the dial timers for some outdoor lighting and they don't hold proper time well, nor would I be able to synch them to the second so that a fan kicks on right when a fogger kicks off, etc.

In JOC's tek, he is using a bathroom fan to vent the greenhouse and I'm wondering if he is venting it to outdoors? Because if that super-saturated air is vented into the growing room, I would think it would increase ambient RH too much? I will play around with it.

One of my trays looks a bit odd - does this look like mold to you guys? There is a bit of blue/green that you can see in here. I'm brand new to pans so don't really know how to recognize healthy pan mycelium and tell it apart from cobweb and other things yet. PS this substrate is aged horse manure + rehydrated straw pellets. I have some other trays using black kow and some other trays using shredded straw and aged horse manure.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27454518 - 09/03/21 07:36 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I don't like the look of the blue/green patch, and would probably ditch the tray purely based on that let alone the other myc.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall] * 1
    #27454573 - 09/03/21 08:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that’s moldy for sure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27454587 - 09/03/21 08:30 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Damn, ok thanks guys. I'll toss it. I had pasteurized it properly and very, very rarely have any issues with mold so unsure how/why it happened. I'm new to straw and manure as a substrate though.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] * 1
    #27454609 - 09/03/21 09:11 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Damn, ok thanks guys. I'll toss it. I had pasteurized it properly and very, very rarely have any issues with mold so unsure how/why it happened. I'm new to straw and manure as a substrate though.



manure is a strange beast. You confident your spawn was sparkly clean?


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    #27454652 - 09/03/21 09:45 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Damn, ok thanks guys. I'll toss it. I had pasteurized it properly and very, very rarely have any issues with mold so unsure how/why it happened. I'm new to straw and manure as a substrate though.



manure is a strange beast. You confident your spawn was sparkly clean?




Yea, I'm 99% certain.

Here is what my pan cyan grain jars look like - I think this is really good but open to opinions. Note the jar that has thicker/whiter mycelium is older (note date on labels) so it's hard more time to consolidate and grow out. The thinner looking jar has only recently consolidated (like 2-3 days ago). Pics are of all 4 sides of two different jars.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
    #27454693 - 09/03/21 10:08 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I only ever use wbs so I’m not familiar with other grain but there’s some sketchy looking spots there to me.


Another thing with pans is I’ve never had a jar of spawn that sat more than a couple days past full colonization work out. It doesn’t make any sense to me but every single time I’ve waited to spawn they either go bad or the flush sucks.


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    #27454698 - 09/03/21 10:12 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting! Good to know thank you. I had more jars than I had room for trays so that's why the one jar sat. I'm guessing you think the sketchy spots are in the right four pics? If not, what issues do you see with the jar on the left? That is the jar that has sat for a while. My belief is that the thicker white parts are just from the mycelium growing out more densely - this jar started out looking just like the jar on the left.


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