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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27434224 - 08/19/21 09:12 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pan. Bisporus on cpoo, verm, oat flour, gypsum, and pulverized straw. Basically macmerdin's recipe with a half cup straw and a 1/4 cup water to fill it out added.
This makes for a substrate that can be shaken like grain jars. One jar unshaken to make sure it doesn't turn fucking green, but the one on the left was shaken 18 hours ago and recovery can be seen throughout. I circled two spots on this side of the jar.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n]
#27434250 - 08/19/21 09:33 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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karri0n said: Pan. Bisporus on cpoo, verm, oat flour, gypsum, and pulverized straw. Basically macmerdin's recipe with a half cup straw and a 1/4 cup water to fill it out added.
This makes for a substrate that can be shaken like grain jars. One jar unshaken to make sure it doesn't turn fucking green, but the one on the left was shaken 18 hours ago and recovery can be seen throughout. I circled two spots on this side of the jar.

I found with McMedrin's tek, if the pots aren't too big then with a fast LC they are full col in ~two weeks!
I've been toying with the idea of trying to use them as spawn like the BRF -> coir tek so you can take them to bulk. I might have a go at it in a month or two.
There's a large chance I'm going to have to shut down my FC in 4 days due to home life complications, which might just be enough time to get a first flush off the WCRS, sadly I think the NecD will just be starting to pin by then.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27434261 - 08/19/21 09:47 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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coversall said:
I found with McMedrin's tek, if the pots aren't too big then with a fast LC they are full col in ~two weeks!
I've been toying with the idea of trying to use them as spawn like the BRF -> coir tek so you can take them to bulk. I might have a go at it in a month or two.
I really can't stand waiting around for cakes to colonize, so I started with bags but it just didn't work out. After seeing angam's grow I knew I had to try jars, and I saw the success people were having fruiting Mac's recipe even in a sgfc.
I wasn't aiming for a shakable substrate, just an airy/fluffy one. Once I saw how well it shook, though,
I like your Mac sub to bulk idea, it reminds me of what starbones was doing with his "unbottles". I saw one guy in Mac's thread saying that he switched over to the recipe for his cubes as well.
I hope everything shakes out just fine on the home front.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27434316 - 08/19/21 10:26 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: It is hit or miss on pan plates in the fridge, according to the info in this thread.
While some have reported lost plates from the cold, JCM has solid success with long term master culture storage in a fridge. However, IIRC, he uses a separate fridge that is a little warmer than most kitchen fridges, I think it was around 45 degrees F. He also stores the cultures in a cooler, in the fridge, to combat temperature fluctuation and condensation.
Awesome thank you. I have a wine fridge I grow cold-loving mushrooms in so I'll try storing some slants in there.
On another note, does anyone use pelletized wheat straw these days with pans? While looking for wheat straw, I saw some pet litter at the pet store that is basically like HWFP, but is straw instead of wood. I bought some and it rehydrates easily and just like HWFP do. I did a forum search and saw that a handful of people were having luck with it. It takes seconds to scoop pellets and rehdyrate them vs straw prep which is a pain in the butt - unless there is a way of prepping straw that's easier than I have found.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n]
#27434394 - 08/19/21 11:28 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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karri0n said: Pan. Bisporus on cpoo, verm, oat flour, gypsum, and pulverized straw. Basically macmerdin's recipe with a half cup straw and a 1/4 cup water to fill it out added.
This makes for a substrate that can be shaken like grain jars. One jar unshaken to make sure it doesn't turn fucking green, but the one on the left was shaken 18 hours ago and recovery can be seen throughout. I circled two spots on this side of the jar.

what method did you use to pulverize your straw? cutting it by hand is tedious lol.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27434403 - 08/19/21 11:36 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The best option I have found so far is a bale of compressed, chopped straw. Farm stores, (like TSC), sell it for animal bedding.
The only prep I do with it is weigh it, weigh my water (and manure), add all of them to a bowl, mix, and let it sit with a good fitting lid for 24 hours. Then I load into jars, then into the slow cooker. (Thank you JOC! I love the overnight slow cooker pasteurization!)
Edit: My first batch I weighed everything to acquire field capacity using my materials. It worked well, so it has been easier and more consistent than guessing how much water to add, and usually adding too much. It seems way too dry initially upon first mixing.
I have also used a bagged lawnmower to chop straw, it worked ok. I mowed an area of the back lawn really short, then raised the deck a little for the straw. If all you can find is straw bales, and have the right lawnmower, it's an option.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27434477 - 08/19/21 12:26 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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ruawakeyet said: The best option I have found so far is a bale of compressed, chopped straw. Farm stores, (like TSC), sell it for animal bedding.
The only prep I do with it is weigh it, weigh my water (and manure), add all of them to a bowl, mix, and let it sit with a good fitting lid for 24 hours. Then I load into jars, then into the slow cooker. (Thank you JOC! I love the overnight slow cooker pasteurization!)
Edit: My first batch I weighed everything to acquire field capacity using my materials. It worked well, so it has been easier and more consistent than guessing how much water to add, and usually adding too much. It seems way too dry initially upon first mixing.
I have also used a bagged lawnmower to chop straw, it worked ok. I mowed an area of the back lawn really short, then raised the deck a little for the straw. If all you can find is straw bales, and have the right lawnmower, it's an option.
I don't have a mower these days so that's out. I've heard about the chopped straw but haven't been able to find it locally at the feed and seed. I might call around to some others and see if they have it. Thanks!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27434490 - 08/19/21 12:35 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you know how to "hand mix" substrate you'll be fine with the straw pellets. I tend to just mix by feel and add vermiculite as needed to fluff it up. Hay/manure/coir/verm, get it to desired texture and I'll lime pasteurize for 14ish hours.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#27434794 - 08/19/21 04:02 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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rockyfungus said: If you know how to "hand mix" substrate you'll be fine with the straw pellets. I tend to just mix by feel and add vermiculite as needed to fluff it up. Hay/manure/coir/verm, get it to desired texture and I'll lime pasteurize for 14ish hours.
Are you using coarse or fine verm? I saw an old post from Bod saying fine verm is best for substrates due to having more surface area, however, it seems to me the point of using verm in pan substrates is more about adding fluff (like the coir you mention does) and that makes me think coarse would be better.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27434828 - 08/19/21 04:23 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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No that’s where I toss all my pan trays once they’re finished I have a separate pile for cubes
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27434865 - 08/19/21 04:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: Are you using coarse or fine verm? I saw an old post from Bod saying fine verm is best for substrates due to having more surface area, however, it seems to me the point of using verm in pan substrates is more about adding fluff (like the coir you mention does) and that makes me think coarse would be better.
I use whatever is on hand which currently is from miracle grow. I believe it's considered coarse.
The vermiculite is usually just to save on manure, hay and coir. I've been playing with ratios as I need to handwater constantly in my environment.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: GlitchInSpace] 1
#27434921 - 08/19/21 05:33 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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GlitchInSpace said: what method did you use to pulverize your straw? cutting it by hand is tedious lol.
I get "seeding straw" from home Depot - it's for after laying grass seed to protect it from the sun and retain moisture. Most of it is already chopped down small, but I put it into a cheap($15 Wal mart, less at goodwill) blade-style coffee grinder and get it super fine.
A food processor would work better as it would hold more, and a blender might work too. I'm only able to shred about a quarter cup at a time, so if you're making big bulk subs, definitely something bigger is gonna be your friend.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n] 1
#27434942 - 08/19/21 05:45 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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The old five gallon bucket and weed whacker set up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27435121 - 08/19/21 07:47 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you mod the lid to fit the weed whacker, or just use it open?
I like the idea, I bet it chops the straw as finely as you want. I might have to get one and try some different head attachments...
Edit: karri0n, I was just reading on that seeding straw. It has a tackifier in it. It says it is all natural, but doesn't say what it is. Since you said your mix was shakeable, I assume it doesn't pose a problem?
I saw in the Q and A it is guar gum, so I imagine the myc will eat it right up.
This part I had to share with everyone: Somebody asked on home depot.com, "is this pasteurized for substrate use?" I know straw is used for a lot of gourmets, but that's not what I think of!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ruawakeyet]
#27435289 - 08/19/21 09:58 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Definitely use a piece of cardboard or something as a lid.
I’ve only tried it once after seeing it on here and it created a straw dust storm and pelted me with pieces hard enough to sting 
Plus there was like 1/3 left in the bucket after.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27435304 - 08/19/21 10:10 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll stick with the coffee grinder. If I had the cash for all the shit that goes along with bags then I would just buy a food processor and that would be plenty big enough.
Edit: I spent far too long looking up and wondering about the guar gum. The consensus was the mush should eat it but it might make the texture too sticky.
I don't think it matters because mycelium has eaten it, my substrate is airy, and if I can shake my jars, they must not be that "tackified".
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: karri0n]
#27435515 - 08/20/21 03:53 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pan Jam.
Haven’t gotten to play with pans yet.
Is this type of growth normal? I see the separation line at 8 o clock which has been there from the beginning, I’m just hoping the above half has some good myc and I’m not just transferring mould.

It’s also slightly quicker than my rhizo cube plates but my understanding is wispy pan growth tends to be quite rapid?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Guerrilla]
#27435519 - 08/20/21 03:57 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guerrilla said: Pan Jam.
Haven’t gotten to play with pans yet.
Is this type of growth normal? I see the separation line at 8 o clock which has been there from the beginning, I’m just hoping the above half has some good myc and I’m not just transferring mould.

It’s also slightly quicker than my rhizo cube plates but my understanding is wispy pan growth tends to be quite rapid?
I'm no pro but that looks clean enough to make an LC from imo, I'd make two batches, one from the top and one from the bottom. I don't tend to let my pan plates grow out that much. Not sure how important that is though.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27435579 - 08/20/21 05:56 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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What causes fruit to grow all wonky?
I'll get some pics asap, but the WCRS are coming up in all sorts of directions haha!
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#27435613 - 08/20/21 07:02 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol jk, idk what makes them go wonky
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