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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Dalcassian] * 1
    #27248138 - 03/11/21 12:00 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

if you go with the weed whacker option, wear a mask with a good filter otherwise you'll be inhaling powdered straw


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27248763 - 03/11/21 06:43 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I buy mine pre shredded now 1 bale of pre shredded lasts a long time




Same!
The price is worth the time hassle and mess. Several options for pre shredded straw mulch on Amazon. I have not found the holy grail however which is peletized wheat straw for hydro seeding lawns / landscaping.  I sweet talked this gal at a company into sending me a 50 pound bag as a sample but her boss must have got wind of it - it never showed!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #27248792 - 03/11/21 06:57 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

ya kno...

i saw pelleted wheat straw cat litter at petworld. anyone use that stuff for pans?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
    #27248828 - 03/11/21 07:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i love straw pellets, bucket tek for coir is like the exact same recipe lol, 650 grams couple qts of verm 4 qts of water and good to go


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
    #27248942 - 03/11/21 08:27 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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ya kno...

i saw pelleted wheat straw cat litter at petworld. anyone use that stuff for pans?




I tried one brand like that for cubes and it had something in it to make it stick together. Great for scooping up lumps of cat piss or shit, but a crap texture for mycelium. There might be a low rent version of non clumping pelleted wheat straw out there that would work. I think if it didn’t have a clumping agent and you added vermiculite and coir to open up the texture it could work.

I’ve also thought about calling up a hydro seed place and asking them if I could buy a bag of their wheat straw pellets.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #27248944 - 03/11/21 08:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

What is your source of wheat pellets Cron?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #27248983 - 03/11/21 08:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

they have them at my local geed supply, they have 50 lb bags for 18 bucks , 50 lb bags of prepped coir for 11 bucks as well lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #27249022 - 03/11/21 09:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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cronicr said:50 lb bags of prepped coir for 11 bucks as well lol




Holy shit thats a good deal! I get oats 50# for $9 but coir is all over. I got lucky and found 22# of coir bricks for $16 on Cyber Monday but that's as good as I've ever seen it.

I can get all the horse shit and corn I'd ever want for free though :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #27249181 - 03/11/21 11:57 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)


fuck yeah these are the shit lol, perfect field capacity right out of the bag and ph adjusted


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cronicr]
    #27249482 - 03/12/21 07:50 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hey there guys, new user here. Funny to say because I've been reading posts on this thing for years and I've learned so much from people all over this site. I wanted to first say thank you so much for the people in here.  If not for ya'll I don't think I, or many people, would have a shot at really figuring any of this out.  And it spreads so much good, so thank you.

I started growing cubes just about 2 years ago and finally got comfortable enough to have good success modifying subs and methods after understanding the fundamentals, but it seems Pans fundamentals are slightly different.  I had bought a Pan Cyan Hawaii syringe and completely failed with it.

Ready to try again, so I have a 4 pack syringe from a very well used vendor coming with Pan Bisporus, Pan Cam Thailand Goliath, Pan Cyan Hawaii and Jamaica.  I have read through this entire thread so I know that some really hate starting with spore syringes, however, at least with cubes I honestly never had a failure rate to really speak of outside the odd jar or 2, so I'll be going to oats with them.

I'm in the middle of making a Jartha just cause Jake's grows are always so impressive.  My questions are these ,Jake (and others). I timed my terrarium fogger and it seemed to not really fill the tent until about 8-9 minutes of running in which it got the RH up to 90% from about 45%. Given that I have a bathroom fan pushing the same cfm you use, would you modify the cycle that you use at all to make sure things don't dry out? (I'm also in Colorado so the air coming in is usually pretty dry, if not very dry) Have you tried cycles that separate the fogger and fan completely as to let the humidity stay in the tent a little longer?

With the cycles it seems you concentrate more on substrate moisture and beading more than any specific low/high RH numbers, is this correct?  Are there any numbers you use as a guide point?  I will be using the same sub/case as in the JOC tek as well.

Thanks again everyone.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Enigma86]
    #27249490 - 03/12/21 07:58 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

just make aure you atleast use agar tho man especially with dirty ass spore syringes


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27249504 - 03/12/21 08:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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just make aure you atleast use agar tho man especially with dirty ass spore syringes




So I've had very little luck taking spore syringes to agar, but had rarely ever had issues going straight to grain (mainly talking about spore syringes that I made).  What is the reason that syringes are considered dirtier than prints?  Its the same steps except with the added sterile water/syringe part, correct?  I've never had just a print.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Enigma86]
    #27249508 - 03/12/21 08:09 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

They’re not really dirtier it’s just that you normally use a print on agar so it gets cleaned first.


It’s pretty common with pan syringes to go right to grain and then put some colonized grains on agar.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27249515 - 03/12/21 08:19 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Now putting colonized grains or mycelium bits on agar I HAVE done with some success. I finally just let my plates die because I had already built up about 6 or 7 quart jars full of cubes and I needed my bathroom back haha.  So if it's possible for success going to grains then I'm gonna probably give that a go.  2 oat jars per syringe, couple of agar plates, and then save the rest for when they don't work.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Enigma86]
    #27249516 - 03/12/21 08:21 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

when working with pans your after a specific type of myc and you wanna use agar to assure you have obtained that type and to know without a doubt its a clean culture before goin to grain. all spores are dirty to some extent as the fruits they come from were likely not grown invitro  in a sterile environment so the spores will have anything in/on them  that was in the air of the environment they were fruited in. but syringes are the worst and ive yet to see one yet that didnt have some kinda bacterial comtam of some sort. so i tend to stay far far away from syringes at all costs and prefer prints all the way. simply just swab the print with a sterile swab then swab the agar plate. but if u click the link in my sig there is lots of agar example pics that show what type of growth u wanna see and where to transfer from. among other info


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27249527 - 03/12/21 08:33 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Very cool, I had not been to that page yet. Thats some detailed info on the mycelium which is awesome. Well in the future I'll try to do prints I guess, (hopefully ones I can make with some Pan fruits).  Its really good to see pictures of healthy myc since I was just kinda guessing my first time.

I agree with the syringes. Every time I put them to agar I get bacteria and almost no myc if any. And thats using half pint wide mouth jars that have injection ports and flaming the needle. 

Is that a dry swab for the print to agar?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Enigma86]
    #27249631 - 03/12/21 09:57 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah honestly I don’t recommend Syringes for pans at all. syringes are designed specifically to be injected into cakes or even grain that is literally the only reason they exist, So if you can get healthy transfers syringe to agar then right on however in the future save yourself the hassle and just get a print I don’t make a mini Syringes for the pans anyway so of my genetics it will be easier to get a print anyhow. As for the fogger it sounds like the fogger you are using is not big enough I had this problem too when I first designed it using a single disk humidifier from Home Depot I ended up getting a 12 head house of Hydro fogger to push 2 tents, however for a single tent a six head will be fine (you may even be able to get a three head to work on a single tent) but that’s what I would recommend heading over to House of Hydro and upgrading your fogger


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27249641 - 03/12/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys,

I have some Pans 'rainbow' on WBS.

I'm planning on pasteurizing manure (maybe sheep, whatever the store has) + straw 50/50 for bulk?

Then case with potting soil and pray?

Sorry I've been reading for a bit, but this is my plan as it stands.

Would they fruit on straight coir, then cased?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: anatomality]
    #27249646 - 03/12/21 10:15 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

dont ise potting soil


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27249650 - 03/12/21 10:19 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

use a 50/50 peatmoss and vermiculite casing ph od 7.0-8.0 is ideal. i shoot for 7.5 and i balance that with the foodgrade calcium carbonate from walmart.


the casing is prolly the most important part of the overall sub so dont take no chances with it by cutting corners


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