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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Cy-an-awe]
    #27236438 - 03/04/21 06:58 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. I love pan and I love its unpredictable results.This encourages further work with him.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angam]
    #27236443 - 03/04/21 07:07 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

It’s amazing you’re getting fruits that size so late. :bow2:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #27236453 - 03/04/21 07:18 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Probably because of the ratio of grain to manure 1:2.There are still forces in the mycelium, although it has shrunk in size twice.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: van hatton]
    #27236460 - 03/04/21 07:28 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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waste of time if u ask me. if u properly dehydrate your fruits then store in vaccum sealed bags in a airtight dark container in a cool temp they will be just as good as the day you harvested them and took them outta the dehydrator. ive got pans a yr n a hlf old that will blow ur mind outta ur asshole. 🤷🏼



well yeah you're right but i'm not talking about temporal degradation of the alkaloids after drying. i'm talking about thermal degradation that happens during the drying process. we all know fresh pans are way stronger than dried ones. IMO, 4g fresh is out of this world but its dry equivalent (about 0.25g) is nothing special and doesn't even come close to comparing. (is that true for anyone else?) obviously pans are losing huge amounts of potency during the drying process. is 1g of dry pans still strong? fuck yeah, you'll get your mind blown outta your asshole but there's still a lot of potency being thrown away. i guess i'm just on that endless search for maximum efficiency. pans have a ton of psilocin and we all know psilocin is unstable. i'm going to play around with drying my pans with no or low heat and see if it makes a difference :shrug:


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Wasnt there a half ass study recently saying freeze drying is bad? 🤔



not that i know of. but there was this legit study that came to the conclusion that it's bad to store dried fruits in the freezer. so maybe freeze drying is a bad idea because you basically freeze the fruits before you sublimate the water out of them. but that freezing process only lasts about 10 hours so who knows if it would make a difference.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27027848

edit: my bad. they did do some research on using a freeze dryer. just search for "lyophilizer" or "lyoph" in that research paper. (lyophilizer= freeze dryer)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27236468 - 03/04/21 07:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

has anyone ever seen crystals on their caps?

i don't see them in wet conditions but one time i had a tray growing in some really dry conditions. during harvest, i noticed there were a bunch of little white crystals all over the caps, almost like if someone sprinkled a tiny amount of cocaine on the caps, or almost like glitter. i so badly wanted to believe they were psilocin crystals :lol: i tried to take a pic but my camera wouldn't pick it up. the only other thing i think it looked like was a universal veil but pans don't even have veils so idk.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27236527 - 03/04/21 08:20 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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i'm talking about thermal degradation that happens during the drying process.




Is this for certain? They lose potency in the dehydrator? I've read that psilocin is the first to oxidize when exposed to heat and that's bad news for pans. They also contain serotonin which we dont know how it reacts to heat


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27236546 - 03/04/21 08:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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has anyone ever seen crystals on their caps?

i don't see them in wet conditions but one time i had a tray growing in some really dry conditions. during harvest, i noticed there were a bunch of little white crystals all over the caps, almost like if someone sprinkled a tiny amount of cocaine on the caps, or almost like glitter. i so badly wanted to believe they were psilocin crystals :lol: i tried to take a pic but my camera wouldn't pick it up. the only other thing i think it looked like was a universal veil but pans don't even have veils so idk.




Interesting, but it's more than likely mostly inorganic salts.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone] * 1
    #27236547 - 03/04/21 08:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Ime it’s better to dry fast & hot rather than slowly over hours. I dry em is fast as possible then str8 to vacuum seal. They are bangerang until opening


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27236548 - 03/04/21 08:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

These pan jars are 9 days old, better growth than many cubes. Good culture?



How fast/slow is pan held to be compared to  cubes

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone] * 1
    #27236549 - 03/04/21 08:35 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

the amount u lose isnt even worth fretting over in my opinion. the difference is so minute that its just simply not worth all that effort both physically and mentally. of coarse this is just my opinion but its kinda like putting n20 boosters on an atlas rocket🤷🏼


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27236562 - 03/04/21 08:42 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Ime it’s better to dry fast & hot rather than slowly over hours. I dry em is fast as possible then str8 to vacuum seal. They are bangerang until opening






exactomundo

thats also what i do shit goes in the dehydrator soon as i harvest the last fruit and that bitch gets cranked to the 165 max temp and goes til cracker dry then they are vaccum sealed then placed in a large bag placed inside an air tight 5 gallon potato chip bucket from the local factory😂😂😂 then placed in a cool dry dark space. like i said earlier i still have some that are over a year n a hlf old and they r every single bit as good as they were the day i put them in there


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27236563 - 03/04/21 08:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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i'm talking about thermal degradation that happens during the drying process.




Is this for certain? They lose potency in the dehydrator? I've read that psilocin is the first to oxidize when exposed to heat and that's bad news for pans. They also contain serotonin which we dont know how it reacts to heat



i'm too lazy to quote a source but yeah i'm pretty sure


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Ime it’s better to dry fast & hot rather than slowly over hours. I dry em is fast as possible then str8 to vacuum seal. They are bangerang until opening



are you careful to not leave them in the dehydrator for too long? do you leave them in there for a full day like cubes? maybe i notice a huge potency difference in fresh vs dry because i leave them in my dehydrator for a full day due to extreme laziness. maybe a short blast of 160F heat doesn't hurt potency as long as it's less than a few hours at most. :shrug:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27236570 - 03/04/21 08:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

You could’ve just gotten some with a huge amount of psilocin too.

I haven’t eaten them fresh yet but sounds like I need to try it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27236575 - 03/04/21 08:52 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

every time i've eaten them fresh it's just like "woah i think i ate too much" :lol:  try 4g fresh and your mind will be blown. but that same amount when dried is good but not mind blowing. there's definitely a difference i think.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27236584 - 03/04/21 08:58 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

fresh is awsum tho i love fresh tea


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27236587 - 03/04/21 09:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

what about you jcm? how long do you dry your pans for?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27236588 - 03/04/21 09:01 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)



BVI coming up, not looking amazing atm. but I'll have something to print from.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
    #27236592 - 03/04/21 09:05 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

How the F do you guys go 5 flushes and still get such healthy fruits?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27236598 - 03/04/21 09:08 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I mean fresh is always stronger but no if you spread them out really well you can cracker dry them in 30 min


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27236603 - 03/04/21 09:12 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, they can be dried really quickly. but i'm just wondering if leaving them in the dehydrator overnight hurts potency at all. maybe that's my issue. i load my dehydrator at night and don't empty it until later the following day. so sometimes they are in there for 20+ hours because i'm too lazy to take them out.


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