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Setting up a greenhouse is not possible for me so I played around with monos and got some pretty good results with this setup growing Pan Thai.
- spawned grain to 50/50 coir/horse manure in 1/2.5 ratio, sub depth 2"
- all holes taped up for colonization
- applied a really wet 1/4" casing of 100% verm (fully hydrated with
boiling water, strained till it stopped dripping)
- put into fruiting with bottom holes half covered with micropore tape
and top holes almost fully or fully covered with masking tape. You can see this in the images below.

- temps were 26-30 Celsius
I had to go away for a long weekend when pins started to pop up

and came back to this

This was a couple of years ago, I can only grow pans in summer due to my heating situation and tried to repeat this the next season but had some white mold popping up as well so the yield was not as smashing, hope to give this another go soon.
Edit1: for clarification Edit2: added graphic
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#26991813 - 10/18/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks. Found the photo of all 3 tubs I had running

Center and left have four bottom holes (2/2), the one on the right only two (1/1)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: zentatonic]
#26991857 - 10/18/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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zentatonic said: Did you leave the lids off?
No, the lids were on, I have misted them a few time till pins started showing I think.
What I can remember for sure is that it was very "tropical" in there when I lifted the lid.
I got the idea for this when I was first playing around with a few trays. The best way was to just put a somewhat bigger tub with a bit of headspace over the tray and have it sitting on some spacers for FAE. The trays did terrible over all but the ones set up like this were doing best. This got me to shut the top holes of the monos and open the bottom up.
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trippytimes said: What size is those tubs and what's the hole sizes? Also 2" thick? So you really only used 2qt spawn 5qt poo/coir? Since it's only 2" spawn and sub. I figured it was a 1-2.5 so 2 spawn 5sub.
I don't have the middle and left tubs anymore but here are photos and measurements of the one on the right. 21 liter capacity. Holes are 32mm and the sub was about 50mm maybe a wee bit more but not so much that it would matter.

In this tub the substrate would have been around 4 liters, maybe I have used 1.5 spawn jars but it could also be that I used only one at a ratio of 1:3, but I am really not that accurate when it comes to spawn ratios, its within those margins and shouldn't matter too much.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: trippytimes]
#26991915 - 10/18/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes pretty much taped them shut with masking tape apart from a 2-3mm gap at the top of the hole, on one tub I taped them up completely, it's the one on the left I think.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: circles]
#26992068 - 10/18/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: What kind of humidity do you have in your room? Those are definitely the best mono pans I’ve seen. Makes sense about doing it during summer, heat definitely helps the humidity inside the tubs.
Sorry, I have no idea, my place is drafty AF and I would assume that humidity fluctuates with what is happening outside. Never measured it but the internet says 50-65% in the sommer month.
I had the monos in a closed room with no windows open and it was hot that summer, it was probably in the low 30's Co in that room during the day. I remember being worried that the pans will cook in their own juices. So keen to get them going again but also working on getting all my cultures and spores to grain for dehydration purposes (-> longterm storage) and woodlover outdoor patches in by backyard but I hope I can get a couple of tubs done next time.
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trippytimes said: Now I'm wondering the same thing I keep wondering if anyone has the humidity that I live in down south with 70% average*. This makes me want to buy a bunch of tubs and do a pastywhite tek but for pans run 15 tubs all different hole sizes all same culture and see what happens. If your taping it. I figure a 1/2 whole two on each side and a 3/8 on top should do the trick. Extra wet case. Hmmmm guess time to start the pc up and go-to big lots mama needs some new mini tubs.
sounds like a plan. I think it's that big plume of warm moisture hovering over the sub with some air coming in and going through the sides that makes it work. At least that's my uneducated guess lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DonkeyHodie]
#27001485 - 10/24/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have used straight verm so far and it works great ime.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27089774 - 12/15/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haven't bought a new laptop in 10+ years, buying new computer gear is a wast of money if you're not gaming, video editing or doing other high end stuff.
HP Elitebooks, Lenovo Thinkpads and Dell XPS are good quality machines, just buy the best model from 3-5 years ago, plenty of power for basic tasks like music, photos and shroomery. Look for ex-lease gear.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Eyeconik]
#27174961 - 01/28/21 05:15 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Most your pix are too small to see anything, #7 has some bluish color in it but I think that's just bruising.
Take the foil off your jars, assuming you have a filtered lid / dry verm layer.
You could shred the cakes into manure based sub, but you said no poo if possible. What's the holdup?
Straw would be another candidate to use as substrate but needs pasteurizing as well.
Here is a good BRF tek for pans or look for MacMerdins Simple Pan Cakes Tek both require manure though
If the above is not doable for you you could try top fruiting or birthing as is but that might result in very little or nothing without manure.
How are you planning to fruit?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Eyeconik]
#27175230 - 01/28/21 08:29 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think your best bet would be to do something similar to what is described in the link I previously posted. Break up your cakes and spawn to manure based pasteurized substrate, ratio 1/2 to 1/3 brf/substrate. Break up the cakes individually and give each one it's own tray.
here the link again: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12165374#12165374
and then fruit them in a SGFC. Maybe post a picture of your chamber setup for others to comment on, I don't have any experience with pumps and such.
Like A.k.a I have no idea what pans look like on BRF but I did other exotics as cakes and your pan cakes are looking good enough to give it a go imo.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gabbk] 1
#27207515 - 02/15/21 01:53 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Time to harvest soon. How are you doing it without ruining the surface for subsequent flushes? Cut, twist and pull?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
#27208172 - 02/15/21 07:43 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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If your manure product was cheap then it was probably just composted.
Read chapter 3.2 of this for some more information:
An Overview of the Control of Bacterial Pathogens in Cattle Manure
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#27208203 - 02/15/21 07:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: More TX

Hey Jake, would you mind taking a photo showing a side view of those trays, curious what that looks like.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#27208341 - 02/15/21 08:58 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Like this?

Yes thanks! Just wanted to check how it does compare to my tubs. Regarding level and color of liquid on the bottom.

I thought your sub might be floating in there with all the water on the surface, looks like I could mist even heavier next time.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Zifozonke] 1
#27209302 - 02/16/21 12:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pan Cambo. I'll give em another 12hrs before the chop. But will be taking off caps for prints sooner.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Baba Yaga]
#27209393 - 02/16/21 12:57 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The tub above was consolidated longer and cased two days later than my first 4 tubs which is why they overlaid more. All 5 tubs started pinning at the same time as well, so there is not a single upside to casing earlier (too early).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620] 1
#27209461 - 02/16/21 01:34 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks.
I'm using just normal mini monos, two different models, one with top and bottom holes and the other type has a vented lid and bottom holes only.
I am doing a run with 12 mini monos at the moment and try slightly different things. Once I got through this I will do a little write up about how I set things up.
But basically what I do is spawn grain to sub, colonize, consolidate, case and put into fruiting. First I let it sit for 24hrs after casing and after that I give it one heavy misting per day for the next couple of days and that's it, maybe one more day if it hasn't knotted up by then, but that will depend on how wet the surface is at that time as well. Will get into more detail once I write it up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27209547 - 02/16/21 02:25 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Adas said: Wow that looks stupid simple! How do you prevent the caps from drying out? Do you mist ocassionally?
No, I don't mist or water. Once the pin set is in I reduce the the airflow a bit like having a single layer of micropore tape over the holes, or leave a bit of a gap. In my limited experience so far the most important thing is to get it on its way alright meaning sufficient consolidation and proper hydration at the beginning and the rest is mostly watching or doing other things. As I said I am still playing around with this and try to optimize things. Just having some fun here.
But honestly when you go and look at the very beginning of this thread, like the first 50 pages you'll see that peeps have started growing them in monos and SGFC more often than not but these days it seems that everyone thinks they need an automated/controlled setup. Those setups do work a treat for sure and I am gobsmacked in awe by the full canopies they can produce (if you know how to use them) but you don't need an active FC to grow a decent amount of Pans.
It's a bit of a shame that not many people experiment with more low tech methods as it seems that pan cultivation has maneuvered itself into an information bubble and people are getting discouraged to do things differently/traditionally but that is just normal group dynamics I guess.
My plan for the foreseeable future is to find good pan genetics that perform well in mono tubs and trying to stabilize those or at least experiment with it but I only grow for a few month a year so that is going to be my fun long term project.....no more cubes lol.
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Pan Cambo Winter Wonder Land (aka cased too early)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angam]
#27211211 - 02/17/21 12:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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angam said: Another new strain from friends on the forum.Sample on the grain.Wild coast Africa

Hi angam, those are lovely fruits, I wished I would look that gorgeous when traveling half way around the globe. Beautiful habitat Zifozonke.
Really like your manure/hay only grows angam.
When you use manure, is it fresh manure (dried of course) or aged / leached manure?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620] 3
#27211664 - 02/17/21 05:33 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok first 3 tubs are harvested
Two more will be ready tomorrow and the others started to knot up

There is some WWE-Action going on in there, I think this one is trying to land a piledriver.
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