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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#25703307 - 12/26/18 07:47 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Didn’t know there was an official thread for pans also! Nice!( I really need to learn how to better navigate this site lol) I have A log on them but here’s some pics the tub is receiving 02 enrichment. Pan cyan Australia
 yalls shit in here looks fantastic btw!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Johnny Dont]
#25703963 - 12/26/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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shroomms said: Pan Cyan on rye berries. Is this trich or bruising?
Hard to tell pan myc can bruise very easily and brightly this jar was good  Quote:
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Jakeoncid419 said: Didn’t know there was an official thread for pans also! Nice!( I really need to learn how to better navigate this site lol) I have A log on them but here’s some pics the tub is receiving 02 enrichment. Pan cyan Australia
 yalls shit in here looks fantastic btw!
Looking good!
In your other thread I saw that you had a couple of different FC. I'm interested in how the mono tub is doing. Could we get pictures and a short description of it? Thanks
Thanks man, yeah I got sum trays going in a Martha, and I got a few mono tubs those pics of pan pins in my op are a small mono I also have sum larger one however no pins quite yet🤞 The main way I alter the design of tubs for pans is I lower my broadside holes to about two and three-quarter inches to the bottom of my cut out (exaughst) ( I prefer rectangular openings 2 inches wide 6 inches long ) Then on the front and back I have a 5 inch long 3 inch wide rectangular opening (air in) if you want to know anything else don’t hesitate to ask bud
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Johnny Dont]
#25704040 - 12/26/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking good!
In your other thread I saw that you had a couple of different FC. I'm interested in how the mono tub is doing. Could we get pictures and a short description of it? Thanks
Thanks man, yeah I got sum trays going in a Martha, and I got a few mono tubs those pics of pan pins in my op are a small mono I also have sum larger one however no pins quite yet🤞 The main way I alter the design of tubs for pans is I lower my broadside holes to about two and three-quarter inches to the bottom of my cut out (exaughst) ( I prefer rectangular openings 2 inches wide 6 inches long ) Then on the front and back I have a 5 inch long 3 inch wide rectangular opening (air in) if you want to know anything else don’t hesitate to ask bud
Good to know. So are you able to get proper FEA in a mono? Any tips on getting them to pin and fruit? Or is it just good genetics?
I have some pan cyan I'm working with now, I'm on t3 and I won't be building a Martha so I want to figure out what I need to do to get a decent harvest with monotubs
If you cut your holes to this design you should have sufficient FAE Happening directly above your sub, using a traditional mono is not ideal as the substrate for pen works best at around 2 to 2 1/2 inches and you want to try and get your opening as close to the surface of your sub as possible (Sometimes they are even a little bit below but not a big deal just a little bit of liner manipulation) The problem I see people have when they try and use cube monos for Pam grows is the CO2 builds up underneath the opening. then having the air in your grow room moving will help the mono tubs design do it’s job if you pack your poly feel looser on your openings on the ends up high then you do your broadside openings down low you will promote more airflow coming in up top and blowing the CO2 out the bottom. (You don’t want to point the fan directly at the tub or anything but you want air movement) Now for this tub here I have been using a oxygen condenser on as well but it is not necessary to get I Fruits out of A mono.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25704422 - 12/26/18 05:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25704992 - 12/27/18 12:08 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks man def they made me work for it lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25705613 - 12/27/18 10:04 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lemon tek with a lil lemon juice mostly pineapple juice (pineapple is much easier on stomach) sum ginger and honey simmer 10 min steep 20 more strain. (Dbl extract if you like) My Stomach is absolutely terrible I throw up almost every morning most food makes me sick I’ve recently been placed on the FODMAP⚡ diet I’m on short-term disability for my stomach but this Tea doesn’t hurt me. If I eat Str8 Fruits though anymore it tears me up. Don’t do hard drugs friends it catches up lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shroomms]
#25706000 - 12/27/18 02:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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shroomms said: Will pan cyan colonize and fruit out on cased rye grass seed?
As far as I know they require poo.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shroomms]
#25706380 - 12/27/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I showed you all the design for my mono tubs here is my pan and Tamp Martha. I can get y’all the design on that too if you like
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shroomms]
#25707334 - 12/28/18 08:49 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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shroomms said: I got my fruiting chamber dialed in to 95%RH (Vick's vaporizer 1s on 4s off I think it was). Now i'm going to dial it in with the FAE fish air pump (950gal/hr for a 50 gal container) going.
My rye berries should be colonized in about a week. My cow poo substrate looks the same as before...about 1/2 colonized...I don't think it's going to work...i had better luck with horse poo.
I would back the rh off to about 80 to induce pinning
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25707470 - 12/28/18 10:39 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brain Bulb said: I think FAE is my problem. At 95-99% RH with a surface temp of 78-80F but I’m not home for 13-14 hour stretches sometimes due to work.
Is a fish pump a good solution for consistent FAE?
Check out my pan thread I just added info on fae. And o2 enrichment https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25698246
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#25707903 - 12/28/18 02:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now sum pins coming up in the large mono 😁 should be a good one 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25708926 - 12/29/18 01:05 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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The difference I’m more interested in is the active compounds in the different strains of pAns all Pans contain serotonin. Neither cubensis or wood lovers contain serotonin tho! The primary effect of psilocin Occurs on the receptors for serotonin and psilocybin reduces the reuptake of serotonin by the brain allowing this neurotransmitter more time to act in the synapse. Pans from Australia, Hawaii and Thailand were examined . All 70 collections contained psilocin, serotonin and urea. The Hawaiin had relatively high psilocybin, whereas the species from Australia and Thailand had almost none
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25708958 - 12/29/18 02:03 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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space_shrooms said: Psilocybin is turned into psilocin. However, I wonder if the range in ratio and concentration of psilocin and psilocybin in different varieties has an effect on the mushroom experience. I have only grown pan. cyan. aussies (red down under variety) and have eaten them many times. I have quite a consistent experience with them. Now I am also growing Hawaiians, Jamaicans, Goliaths and Pan. Tropicalis and I'll be interested to see any differences across many trips.
Although pans contain serotonin I believe this would be broken down by MAO and not absorbed. Perhaps taking them with an an MAOI like syrian rue or ayahuasca could further alter the trip beyond the differences experienced between cubes and pans. i.e., pans+MAOI may have an additional element as serotonin is absorbed and be further different from cubes+MAOI than the variation experienced betweens pans and cube without an MAOI.
This is true and I agree you will notice a much larger difference with the maoi, I actually am getting Blue lotus and syrian rue To mix with pan aussie tea
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms] 1
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb] 1
#25709410 - 12/29/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 30 days ago) |
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G’mornin mates!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25709795 - 12/29/18 01:16 PM (5 years, 30 days ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: G’mornin mates!

Beauties! Are you growing like a regular mono or did you make adjustments for the species? Temp, humidity, etc.
Trying my damndest to get my first tray to fruit. The SB I started Xmas day is looking much more promising though.
Yeah I’m actually finishing my mods now I’ll make a write up gimmie a few hours
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25710449 - 12/29/18 07:02 PM (5 years, 30 days ago) |
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Here we go guys so I’m going to go over both my pan FC’s First let’s do the mono tub. So for these I have a reptile fogger feeding into a milk jug. Then hoses branching off the jug into my mono tubs. The expansion chamber allows larger water droplets so collect on the side and drop back down as the fog adjusts to room temperature (condensation). I have the fogger plugged into a cycle reset timer set to kick on 4 min every 45. 

Next I have my 02 condenser. Now before I go into design let’s go over some chemistry. Your average everyday air looks something like this Nitrogen 78.08% by volume 20.95%-oxygen 0.93%-Argon, 0.033%-carbon dioxide 0.0018%-Helium 0.0002%-methane
and well there are trace amounts of Krypton dinitrogen oxide (N2O) hydrogen xenon and ozone. Air is the commercial source for many of the gases it contains. It is separated into its components by fractional distillation of liquefied air. Before air is liquefied, water vapor and carbon dioxide are removed, because these substances solidify when cooled and would clog the pipes of the air liquefaction plant. The dry, CO2-free air is compressed to about 200 atmospheres. This compression causes the air to become warm, and the heat is removed by passing the compressed air through radiators. The cooled, compressed air is then allowed to expand rapidly. The rapid expansion causes the air to become cold, so cold that some of it condenses. By the alternate compressing and expanding of air, most of it can be liquefied. The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system. that gives you an idea of how the oxygen condenser works.
now on to boyle's law: The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system. or PV=K
this means you must maintain a equal ratio between gases (unpressured) while the ratios of o2 co2 etc can fluctuate this means that in an unpressured nitrogen will always stay at 79% 
so what does this mean? this means that getting pure fresh air to the sub is the most oxygen you can give it (in a unpressured environment) however since the sub eats the O2 and gives off CO2 and most household air is not optial ratio, the o2 Condenser ensures that i maintain optimol ratio in the tub. the tubs are a combined 267 liters, the condenser puts out 6 liters of o2 every minute, that means the condenser replaces all the air in the tub every 44.5 minutes. the constant influx of air also forces my co2 out the bottom and this is why you want your holes cut directly above your sub, co2 being the most dense of all the gases in air falls right out as the optimal ratio air takes its place. ok so i have my codenser running into a sealed water bottle which then feeds into the tubs and attach to the bottom of the lid
 the humidifier lines easily come out so i can get to the lower bins


next im going to attempt a pressurized grow to see if pushing the o2 levels up even higher is beneifital, a mix must still be maintained as pure o2 will suffocate carbon based lifeforms. in order to exchange gases the must be two gases to exchange.
ok on to the martha this is much more simple just a humidifier running up a hose into top of tent then a hepa filter fan blowing down. the other is the same except instead of a fan blowing in i have one sucking air thru a hepa filter on the bottom ( i know its baackwards but that fan rplaces all air in a matter of seconds so it does not really matter)




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#25710762 - 12/29/18 11:39 PM (5 years, 30 days ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said: forgive me, i'm still trippin' a bit. but i'm captivated.
wow, that's crazy elaborate. thank you for posting. how long did it take you to set this up? when the fogger kicks on, do the tubs completely fill with mist? and do you continue this misting after pins develop? (for that matter, is it just pan cyans that abort when they're sprayed?)
i recall RR said in response to someone asking about putting plants in a grow space to provide oxygen that fungus doesn't need extra o2, fungus needs fresh air. how convinced are you that supplemental oxygen makes a significant impact on outcomes? unrelatedly, i've been working on nasa's clean air plants list, trying to improve air quality in my house, and was starting to think about putting some in the hobby room. what could it hurt?
disputations: your description of the oxy concentrator isn't how they work. you have described the industrial scale process. home air concentrators use pressure and adsorption to separate nitrogen from everything else, and push that everything else out the hose, venting the nitrogen back to the ambient space. also, co2 concentrations in the atmosphere haven't been at 330ppm for a while. they're more like 400ppm or so now. indoors, they're generally a little higher than that.
can't wait to see how you construct your pressurized setup. what kind of pressures are you talking about?
i did most of it today but i have changed things around several times but i built the mono tub design in about 4 hours. ive been experementing with the o2 condenser for a few month now and it definatly made a difference on the tamps and pans not so much on the cubes. im not completly convinced that it does in fact the pressurized grow most likely wont work. i do think that keeping you atmosphere at higher levels and mosving is better than less o2 and more co2 and moving. i figured my condenser worked a little differently i just figured it was a smaller version of the gas plants.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#25711190 - 12/30/18 08:08 AM (5 years, 29 days ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said: my old man used to be on one of those oxy machines. he also kept a giant goldfish tank. well one year, there was a long power outage at his place. something like three days. he had to rely on his canned o2. well, he noticed the fish were getting more and more sluggish in the tank. they weren't themselves, he said. i watched as he dunked an o2 hose in the water, and in seconds, those goldfish woke right up. clearly, they needed oxygen.
i have some pan cyans jars going right now. at least i think they are. they're on the shelf right next to some cubensis jars. all on oats which i prepared the same way, on the same day. well, before i shook the pans yesterday, there was a remarkable difference in the jars, apart from the mycelium. the pan jars had a lot more condensation on the insides of the glass, mostly up in the headspace. this suggests to me a more vigorous metabolism. that would suggest a greater need for o2. could be wrong. anyway, thanks for posting up your experimentation. keep it up.
Nope ur right pans move faster and use up more o2, ur pan jars should be rdy a few days before ur cubes, mine are on oat and millet mix. Everything loves it except PE. Idk y but my PE jars have been contaminating left and right, I’m using different dishes so it’s not that idk y I guess just cuz slow colonization. Last two cubes I’m gonna run and they have to both me slow AF (ape & enigma)
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#25711837 - 12/30/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 29 days ago) |
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Here sum good clusters popping up
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