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Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread * 69
    #22216410 - 09/10/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



Hey, mush cult

I cant help but feel as though the genus Copelandia hasn't been given much spotlight, due to the "difficulty" regarding its cultivation.

They're really not that much harder than cubensis sp despite the lack of appraisal.
So I thought I would do the genus some justice by creating a thread, strictly for and about Copelandia.
The ever so small, yet magically powerful psychoactive mushroom.

I will be posting all of my results, experience, and experimental approaches with the genus.

If you have any of the Copelandia sp in your collection, I encourage you to get them growing and post your results here! Fruits..mycelia..w/e!
It would mean a great deal to me, and more importantly.. the community!

So come on everyone, lets give these little blue mushrooms the acknowledgment, and appreciation they deserve!
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First up!!
Panaeolus cambodginiensis var. "Sandose" 

Spore print -> agar -> Oats.


Spawned to:

    50% horse manure
    30% powdered straw
    20% CVG

In a 22"L 18"W 12"H tub. (don't know the gallon size)
(I've never used powdered straw before so yeah!!)





Cased with "Jiffy Mix" enriched with vermiculite, PH'd at a value of 8 using lime.



Got fluffy..



Then came the pins.
(If you look closely, you'll see a small green seedling) lol



Day later..

(cloned the big guy in tht cluster)

2 days later..
They have gotten huge over night, almost the size of small cubensis mushrooms. :whoah:




I love the color of the caps. && how bulky they've become. Didn't know they would be all buffed up on creatine :lol:
Also, what I find astounding is how they stay moist/hydrated although I haven't misted the casing layer in dayss.
They may be small compared to cubensis but they sure can retain moisture!!! If I treated my cubes as I would Panaeolus, my fruits would be dry and scarce..

Truly finicky, and unique at the same damn time.

3 days (harvest)..








Gawdd I love the smell of these mushrooms, they smell like sweet almonds, or sweet milk IMO
Definitely not musky like cubensis..


Soo to sum things upVVVV

Grain of choice: Oats

Sub:  50% Horse manure, 30% Straw, 20% CVG

Casing: "Jiffy mix"

Light: 39w 6500K CFL (13w each bulb x3)

Temp: 24-25°C

Air circulation: 20" oscillating fan

Humidity/RH: 70-75%  (got down to 50% one night, when I forgot to mist the walls)

Dry weight: 17g dry

Experience: 
I still cant believe how far 1G of these guys will take you!
I was full-blown tripping for 7hrs straight!!

The colors and patterns were so different than I am accustomed to!

At one point everything around me was like the ocean!
Waving up, and down, up and down..
I mean wayyy uppp!!!
So I laid and stared at the clouds..which has a mind of its own.LOL
The clouds were morphing into so many shapes and colors, && i swear I saw 2 fire breathing phoenix come towards me.
Then I was trapped in a cyclone. The clouds were spinning around me but I was in the peaceful center.

Remember when I spoke or moved I could see "waves" or "vibration" coming off my body!!

Lol once we got home I looked at myself in the mirror and it was game over,
My dreads turned into snakes and were slithering on my head. I almost had a heart attack/panic attack!!


The trip was far more visual than Cubensis, I dont think Ill ever eat cubensis again unless its of the PE variety.
The body load is like no other!! Almost MDMA likee..

All in all I'd say this was a great run!

I still have a few fruits that I need to harvest, but I'll have the final dry weight posted soon!


Edited by mushboy (10/03/21 11:01 PM)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ICEMANOO9]
    #22216528 - 09/10/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'd say those are no good (contaminated)...
They look overly wet.

Id personally start them on grains...
But if you dont have a a PC, I suggest following a PF tek that calls for manure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bluelou]
    #22217176 - 09/10/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

antillarum?
If you can find Panaeolus antillarum, you should be able to find psychoactive Panaeolus sp aswell. They both grow on dung...

:pm:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blindingleaf]
    #22217730 - 09/10/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Psilosoulful said:
Awesome grow, can't wait to get started with pans!! With the spore print you used, did you place the dry spores on your agar in multiple spots on the plate or just in the middle. Also if i were to use an MS syringe, would I just squirt a drop or two in the center and turn the plate from side to side to distribute it? Thanks for the help man :thumbup:




It was a spore print swabbed with a "Q-tip", which was sterilized at 15psi for 15mins.
I barley touched the print with the tip of the "Q-tip" followed by touching the Q-tip once in the center of the agar dish.
Once the Q-tip has touched the agar. I dispose of it..
Ive always heard of ppl placing multiple "colonies" on their dishes, or even swiping the q-tip across agar, but I personally see no benefit from doing so..

If your using spore solution in water suspension, I would flame a scalpel or w/e you use for mycologicial/microbiological work then use the tip of the flamed scalpel to place a small "divot" into the center of your dish, then place one drop of solution into the divot.
(the divot keeps your spore solution from "running" all over the dish.)
Spores need to meet up before they can germinate. They cant do so if your spores are scattered across the dish. Keep it contained..
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blindingleaf said:
awesome grow fox!!  and i like the thread idea too.

i think for me personally, what is hard is recognizing the mycelium on agar.  it is whispy.  i have had some weird luck recently with it, all issues with stalling out on grains after it gets a good start.  that never happened to me before.  once it got going, it finished really fast.

what is the "powdered straw" in ur recipe?  do u grind it up yourself really fine, or is it a product for something else?




I dont own a weed wacker, lol
basically just grab my wheat straw and run it through my blenders.
I can fit 6x more straw into the sub when compared to just cutting the straw pinkie length..
Also cuts down on colonization times.. the mycelia doesn't have to colonize the interior of the straw, since its already broken down to a fine powder.
Didn't need to soak the straw powder either, just mixed it in with the bulk dry, then brought to field capacity.

&&I know what you mean about the complexities when distinguishing panaeolus mycelia.
It can be really whispy at timess.
I try to keep my agar media nutrients on the low end, with no sugar so that I get thicker cultures which are easier to differentiate from contaminants.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mad Season]
    #22217798 - 09/10/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Meant no disrespect...
Im not saying people shouldn't swipe or zig-zag.

Im just simply answering the question that was asked..

I dont swipe, and dont care to fix whats not broken OME


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MacMerdin]
    #22217840 - 09/10/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MacMerdin said:
Nice grow.

For extra info on an easy way to do pans see the link in my signature.

Also I just got around to innoculating some cinctulus today.  With a variation to my regular pan cake mix.  I'll update the process in this thread.




Welcome, Mac
&& niccee can't wait to see your progress!!

I have cinctulus germinating aswell. :super:

Will you be using your "pan cake mix" for the cinctulus?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: eatyualive]
    #22218290 - 09/10/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:wave:
Sara, those photo's are truly breath taking!

I agree wholeheartedly..
Just look at that spore deposit, it is so ink-like!

I really need to get myself a new camera..

&& nice "Chun-li" edit. LOL

(was hoping you'd drop by)
Quote:

eatyualive said:
beautiful mr. fox. I hope to join in very soon. Although I am going to attempt my pans on pelleted wheat grass. unless somehow i can find some decent dung at home depot. which im doubtful of.




Thanks, Eat

The wheat grass should work just fine with alil CVG!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: grownright]
    #22218615 - 09/10/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

saintburger said:
Non active pans in a horse pasture





Nice,
but can we get some close-up shots?!

Quote:

grownright said:
I'm lucky to be in an area where I can find all sorts of poo locally (chicken, cow, horse, alpaca, even camel). Do you just replace what you would put in in horse manure with chicken? or is there a specific ratio you use?




Did you seriously just type "camel"
L..O..L

How many stomachs do they have anyway?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ICEMANOO9] * 1
    #22219362 - 09/10/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thats pretty coo, :thumbup:

Out of curiosity; whats your personal preference when it comes to dung?
seeing tht you have so many options. lol

Quote:

ICEMANOO9 said:
So this looks contam? :frown: they keep colonizing just fine






I honestly don't even see any mycelium in tht jar. Just what appears to be a "wet spot"???
Then again, those arent the best pictures..

Take better pictures, if your able


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ICEMANOO9] * 2
    #22219466 - 09/10/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok then.
well if you feel asthough they're fine, then by all means proceed!
:super:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilosoulful] * 1
    #22221115 - 09/11/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ok! so I just went to mist the substrate for the 2nd flush after giving the substrate 24hrs to dry..
&& stumbled upon a whole new pinset!!! But they were all aborted..
(I didnt keep up with the mistings, & air exchanges after the first flush wanted to give it a slight "rest" before rehydrating for the 2nd flush)

I didnt know Panaeolus flushed soo fast!!!

So I went ahead and picked all the baby aborted pins & misted her down.
Hopefully she still has some energy to produce!

This has definitely been a learning experience.

(took me over an hour to get all the aborted pins lol)

Also, the final dry weight from the 1st flush was 17g dry.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: keeno] * 3
    #22221297 - 09/11/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've only tried the panaeolus cambodginiensis once.

It was from my first grow.
I ate 1g my first time, and let me sayyyy IVE NEVER TRIPPED HARDER in my life!!!! Looking back, I probably should have started at .5g as suggested.

I have friends tht have taken them and are to afraid to indulge again, lol
Saying "Acid just doesnt compare" (their words exactly)

Its not a dark trip IMO just different, extremely different!

I plan on dosing this weekend, if everything goes accordingly.
If I do I'll definitely write it up.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: keeno] * 3
    #22224619 - 09/11/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

!!! About to dose 1g of Panaeolus cambodginiensis with a good friend of mine! :grin:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox] * 2
    #22225282 - 09/12/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:trippinballs:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: grownright] * 2
    #22226722 - 09/12/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Cambo's are more potent than the cyans tho,
If I'm not mistaken cambodginiensis is the most potent psychoactive mushroom.

Last night was amazingggg!
Still trying to come back fully, afterglowinv hard :grin:

I still cant believe how far 1G of these guys will take you!
I was full-blown tripping for 7hrs straight!!

The colors and patterns were so different than I am accustomed to!

At one point everything around me was like the ocean!
Waving up, and down, up and down..
I mean wayyy uppp!!!
So I laid and stared at the clouds..which has a mind of its own.LOL
The clouds were morphing into so many shapes and colors, && i swear I saw 2 fire breathing phoenix come towards me.
Then I was trapped in a cyclone. The clouds were spinning around me but I was in the peaceful center.

Remember when I spoke or moved I could see "waves" or "vibration" coming off my body!!

Lol once we got home I looked at myself in the mirror and it was game over,
My dreads turned into snakes and were slithering on my head. I almost had a heart attack/panic attack!!


The trip was far more visual than Cubensis, I dont think Ill ever eat cubensis again unless its of the PE variety.

& I agree the trip is extremely clean & organic.
The body load is like no other!! Almost MDMA likee..


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blindingleaf] * 1
    #22226818 - 09/12/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I see what you did there! :smirk:

Je no say,
I dont have any experience with "azurescens"

Good luck on your pan grow!
Will you be logging your progress here?

Quote:

blindingleaf said:
if pan cambo is as potent as pan cyan, then 1g will leave u sky walking like anakin.




:lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr.PhilCybin] * 1
    #22227123 - 09/12/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Ill be watching,

Quote:

d0urd3n said:
Is cambo actually supposed to be more potent than cyan? I've never read this do you have any links or something?




http://www.thehawkseye.com/pancam/pancam.html

http://mycotopia.net/archives/discus/messages/5/7413.html?1012286369

Allen reported cambodginiensis to contain psilocybin and psilocin, of up to .55% and .6%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panaeolus_cambodginiensis


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: eatyualive]
    #22227633 - 09/12/15 03:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just go with 1G if you want the full experience/effect.

.5g is only half the experience IMO.

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eatyualive said:
Quote:

Fantastic Mr. Fox said:
!!! About to dose 1g of Panaeolus cambodginiensis with a good friend of mine! :grin:



bold ive done that and i was floating on clouds for about 5 hours!:rockon:

the pan cambos definitely blew my mind more than cyan and tropicalis. and they are so clean.




:super:

Ooo!!
I want to try the tropicalis.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #22227641 - 09/12/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Processing Rye Grass Seed into flour for "manure cakes"


Processed..


Mixin' it up @ 1:1:1:1 ratio
(manure, verm, rye grass flour, water)


Loaded & ready to go!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22227789 - 09/12/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

LOL
Your silly..


I'm using Panaeolus cyanescens LI.

Spores have a hard time germinating on manure, which is why I'm using the liquid culture/innoculant.

&& it wont be a problem..
I'll just spoon it out/or bang against my dirt bike tire, when the time comes.
Panaeolus mycelia isnt as dense/brick-like as cubensis.


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