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Re: ID on non-active mushroom [Re: Untitled]
    #22229907 - 09/13/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why nobody has bothered to investigate this is beyond me.



Probably because it's not profitable and costs a lot of time and money.




I bet some scientist could find some intellegent kid who would work for free just for the education to do the work...time and money should never be an impediment to knowledge.

Though even if they found psilocin they might find alpha-amanitin with it (though I cant recall ever hearing of these two compounds ever occurring together in any other fungi, who knows, stranger things have happened.

-E. Borodin


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Re: ID on non-active mushroom [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22232207 - 09/13/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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All the bluing Lepiota species fascinate me, and I'm fairly certain it will turn out that they contain psilocybin. Why nobody has bothered to investigate this is beyond me.

Are there many psilocybin mushrooms out there that are not scientifically known to be psilocybian mushrooms?

Do people know very well that these are psilocybian mushrooms and are trying to keep it quite for some reason?





All of the bluing Lepiotas have been moved into Leucoagaricus.

They do not contain psilocybin - the shade of blue is different, and the way it appears is different. 

See

Definitely not a shade of blue that psilocybin mushrooms have.

More photos:  http://mushroomobserver.org/56456


There are some psilocybin mushrooms which are not known to have it - mostly Gymnopilus species, a genus that needs a lot of work.  All psilocybin mushrooms also have psilocin, so they do stain blue occasionally at least.  You won't find any psilocybin in white spored genera like Leucoagaricus.  All of the genera that contain psilocybin are probably known, but much remains to be discovered at the species level.



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Re: ID on non-active mushroom [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #22234578 - 09/13/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



In a few species it looks exactly like psilocin, though I will admit at other times it does have this bizzare green that would not be typical of a psilocin mushroom.


alpha-Amanitin is created through a bridge between 6-hydroxytryptophan and cysteine allowing further formation of the compound, so there is some tryptamine chemistry involved even in the toxic species....though its completley unrelated to psychedelic tryptamine compounds...


Psilocin or not, a simple tests could determine alkaloid content, and whether they are toxic, active, or benign I still think that science should be interested in finding that out.

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Re: ID on non-active mushroom [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #22234613 - 09/13/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://mushroomobserver.org/55088?q=2dhcD

Specially in species like this where blue bruising is minimal...

...but yeah your right, in a good deal of cases it is this bizzare purple/green mess that very little resembles psilocin, still worth looking into in my oppinion though.

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