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Bravery vs Strength
    #22215573 - 09/10/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In the ideals that western culture instills into it's children, one that is almost always overlooked is bravery. Parents usually tell their children(especially boys) to always be strong. I've heard/experienced seldom times when bravery is instilled into children.

IMO, bravery is much more important than strength. Bravery is standing up to those who push others around. Bravery is being fearless. Strength is nearly worthless without bravery.

What do you guys think about the values we instill into the newer generation? Do you think we should instill the idea of bravery or strength more?


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Achillita]
    #22215627 - 09/10/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you, I believe bravery is more important, the combo of the two would be ideal.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: abductee]
    #22215653 - 09/10/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:raisemyglass:
Agree totally, I assume you were not talking about inner strenght.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #22215657 - 09/10/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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:raisemyglass:
Agree totally, I assume you were not talking about inner strenght.




Yes inner strength is everything but you need the ability to back it.

Bravery :thumbup:

Edit: Bravery can get people killed... thow ahaha


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Cujllickduo]
    #22215693 - 09/10/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

think they're both a little overblown, but would agree that bravery seems more honorable than mere physical strength. Thats what you're talking about right? Not mental strength or intestinal fortitude, which combines 'strength' and 'bravery'...so theres some overlap.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22215955 - 09/10/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think they are the same thing


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #22215966 - 09/10/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

no bravery is a weakness

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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #22216022 - 09/10/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Cant have one without the other


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Achillita]
    #22216054 - 09/10/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bravery is being fearless.



Being fearless is stupidity.

Bravery is acting without regard to fear.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Enlil]
    #22216058 - 09/10/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bravery is being fearless.



Being fearless is stupidity.

Bravery is acting without regard to fear.



No risk, no reward


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Achillita] * 1
    #22216456 - 09/10/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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In the ideals that western culture instills into it's children, one that is almost always overlooked is bravery. Parents usually tell their children(especially boys) to always be strong. I've heard/experienced seldom times when bravery is instilled into children.

IMO, bravery is much more important than strength. Bravery is standing up to those who push others around. Bravery is being fearless. Strength is nearly worthless without bravery.

What do you guys think about the values we instill into the newer generation? Do you think we should instill the idea of bravery or strength more?




i think words like "brave" and "strong" speak to the ethos of the american hero, the embodiment of rugged and uncompromising individualism who is the principal focus of our mythology. the poetics of the american hero myth are all about kicking ass. the hero gets the job done at any cost while crushing their foes and typically hurting a lot of innocent people in the process. the roots of american heroism and its various mythological depictions can certainly be traced to our roots as pilgrims, pioneers, conquerors, cowboys and commandos. but the idea of the hero itself comes from the greeks.

the greeks defined a hero as someone who did great things. but for greeks, the term "great" simply meant "huge". by greek standards, hitler or stalin could be be considered heroes. the heroes of greek mythology are certainly brave and strong, but they are also fools, consumed by vanity on the downward spiral of their tragic quests. for greeks, it seems that the salient message of their hero myth is that bravery and strength are only good when they are exercised in the context of the virtues that rule them, namely prudence, temperance, kindness and humility, all of which, when working in harmony, give rise to justice. without virtue, bravery and strength only lead to fleeting, empty glory and inevitable destruction. it's remarkable how american culture has completely inverted the original idea of the hero, and seems to speak volumes about our actual cultural character.

in my view, we've had enough heroes and not nearly enough justice. we should instill our kids with virtue so that their bravery and strength are exercised in pursuit of justice rather than glory.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Achillita]
    #22216588 - 09/10/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Achillita said:
In the ideals that western culture instills into it's children, one that is almost always overlooked is bravery. Parents usually tell their children(especially boys) to always be strong. I've heard/experienced seldom times when bravery is instilled into children.

IMO, bravery is much more important than strength. Bravery is standing up to those who push others around. Bravery is being fearless. Strength is nearly worthless without bravery.

What do you guys think about the values we instill into the newer generation? Do you think we should instill the idea of bravery or strength more?




I completely disagree.

The only difference between bravery and stupidity is the end result.

Strength on the other hand is what gives you character, what makes you go against the stream. Be strong and bold. Sure you need balls at some point, but if you do your homework, it should become a common sensse decision.

- If I get out of the foxhole and charge the enemy and kill him, I was brave. If I get out of the foxhole and and get shot, I was stupid.

Then again. I've always associated bravery to taking a unnecessary risk. Attempting the hail mary. I would only attempt bravery if I my back was against the wall and it was either win or go bust, which is a position in life that you never really face because you normally have options.

Fear is your friend. It keeps you sharp. It keeps you safe. But it can easily become your enemy if you let it take over everything. Is that bravery? Maybe.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Achillita]
    #22216597 - 09/10/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think encouraging compassion and independent thought would naturally lead to bravery and strength, and a stronger sense of both as well.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Patlal]
    #22221961 - 09/11/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I completely disagree.

The only difference between bravery and stupidity is the end result.

Strength on the other hand is what gives you character, what makes you go against the stream. Be strong and bold. Sure you need balls at some point, but if you do your homework, it should become a common sensse decision.

- If I get out of the foxhole and charge the enemy and kill him, I was brave. If I get out of the foxhole and and get shot, I was stupid.

Then again. I've always associated bravery to taking a unnecessary risk. Attempting the hail mary. I would only attempt bravery if I my back was against the wall and it was either win or go bust, which is a position in life that you never really face because you normally have options.

Fear is your friend. It keeps you sharp. It keeps you safe. But it can easily become your enemy if you let it take over everything. Is that bravery? Maybe.



The fight of oppression has always been something led by the brave. Even though they were often killed, locked up, or hushed by the oppressers, they knew the risks and stood up anyways. People like Nelson Mandela, Tecumseh, The founding fathers of the US, Pancho Villa, Martin Luther king Jr and many, many more.

These people had the bravery to stand up and many of them had people try and oppress them. Many of them died, or got locked up. But the reason that we strive to me a socially just world is because of bravery. The one person standing up when no one else dares to.

What's the point of standing strong if you can not be brave enough to stand up in the first place? Bravery should always be encouraged before strength.


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Re: Bravery vs Strength [Re: Achillita]
    #22222038 - 09/11/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I believe something is better than anything.


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