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Large Melatonin doses
    #22215381 - 09/10/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I suffer from chronic insomnia made worse by Adderall. I have been trying to find a sleeping aid that improves sleep and is less expensive than pot. I've tried standard doses of Melatonin with no effects so tonight I said fuck it since there is no LD50 with the stuff. Also wikipedia and various anecdotes say it has dream potentiation at high doses. What have your experiences been?


T+0 30mg Melatonin, 1.5g GABA, 1g L-Tyrosine, 200mg 5-HTP
T+5min Mild sedation and anxiolysis, probably psychosomatic.
T+1hr 30mg Melatonin and made this post.


I'll report in the morning if any effects are noticed.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22215391 - 09/10/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My mom has a single mom friend with two kids, one of which is pretty young.

She was giving her younger kid a bunch of melatonin to help him sleep and I overheard them talking about it.

One thing I always was sketched out by with taking melatonin is the lack of research of how it effects the brain.

Seems to me like if you take it regularly the brain might have a harder time producing enough naturally, that is just my theory on it though :shrug:

I am sure taking small amounts even fairly often is not the worst.

Try kratom or something maybe, it can make sleep harder too but it can also help a ton if you use it right.

Celestrus Paniculatus is a sedating dream enhancer too, with nootropic effects.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist] * 1
    #22215392 - 09/10/15 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm no expert but I seem to recall several sources saying using high doses of melatonin for sleeplessness actually makes the problem worse in the long run. I can't find them now, so it may of been bullshit. :shrug:

I can tell you this though, melatonin is not like a sedative, it simply doesn't work like that. You can't necessarily treat the same like you would a sedative. "5mg didn't work, I just need more".

From my research into it, it's not even something that's meant to put you to sleep. It's for regulating sleep. If you have actual insomnia, it's probably going to do jack shit. If you just have a repeated problem of going to bed hours later than you need to, it might help you.

My experience with melatonin, it does nothing. I have severe insomnia. Even Valerian root does a better job of helping me sleep, but overall even that is largely ineffective. Take all of this with a grain of salt, because as I said in the beginning, I'm no expert. I only have the memory of stuff I've read and my own experiences.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22215398 - 09/10/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I used to take melatonin with tons of sedating tea's and stuff and it only worked if I really tried to relax myself and went and layed down too.

Meditating and trying to relax probably did more than the melatonin, same with the sedating tea's though they do help sometimes.


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    #22215403 - 09/10/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22215406 - 09/10/15 03:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I dont take it every night any more because I have never had any effects from it before and I've taken it more for the reports of dream potentiationat large doses. I actually have some Kratom (Bali Red) but the other day I botched a toss and wash and just thinking about downing some makes me shiver in disgust. Also, even with the most sedating strain I could find it still causes stimulation. And as far as I know opiates are just as bad as Benzos, Z-drugs (which I am severely allergic to) and Diphenhydramine in regards to sleep architecture anyways. I also have kava, but that doesnt do much for me on it's own.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: sweetpea]
    #22215410 - 09/10/15 03:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Sleep medications are basically useless, rule them out as an option and change your lifestyle, instead. Just my opinion.



I respect your opinion, but sleep medications are all that will make me sleep. I have tried every life change under the Sun and none of it did anything. Meditating, reading, relaxing, dietary changes, hard physical labor/exercise during the day, lots of exposure to sun, list goes on and on.

Quite frankly the only thing will put me out with any semblance of regularity, is heavy drugs. Even THAT isn't 100% effective. I literally take the drugs that knock the majority of people right the fuck out and still can lay in bed for hours and won't fall asleep.

I realize that this isn't an ideal situation to be in. I've already had to change meds a couple of times because they stopped working. But for the time being, it's all I have.

Of course this would literally never be any issue whatsoever if I could just smoke weed. That shit will put me out if I desire to just go to sleep.


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    #22215428 - 09/10/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: sweetpea]
    #22215436 - 09/10/15 03:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Gotta stay clean for a job that does hair testing.

Minus a month or two period where I decided it was a pipe dream, I've been clean for over 2 years now. Shit just takes time and I've been shown that. I had been clean for almost a year before I decided fuck it, and then got my shot and had to fucking pass on it. So I had to get clean again and am now waiting on my next opportunity.

Ambien was one of the ones I was on, and at first it was great. But that shit will make you crazy. Ambein is SO fucking weird. Eventually it just stopped working, even when I was getting it's effects. It's far from a good situation to be in. But this is all I have. Medicine I'm on now (Tamazepam) does a wonderful job putting me to sleep over all, and I don't go fucking crazy on it.

Ambein is what started my sleep paralysis. I didn't link it to that at the time (I've always had fucked up sleep patterns and issues, I just chalked it up to my insomnia progressing). That alone is worth getting off it. Sleep paralysis fucking sucks the biggest donkey balls out there. That shit is terrifying. The first dozen times I didn't even know what it was. I read something about sleep paralysis by chance after it had already started happening to me and found out what it was I was experiencing. So yeah, it's pretty terrifying to wake up and feel an evil presence in the room, being unable to move and have no idea why it might be happening. In that half awake half asleep stage, there's little rational thought like "this is impossible" or "there is no demon". It's 100% real and happening to you. At any minute it's going to kill you.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: sweetpea]
    #22215444 - 09/10/15 04:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom is not gonna be a good idea for sleep. you may feel you can get sleep very easily but its an opioid not to mention quite a stimulating one and opioids provide poor quality sleep though you may feel well rested when you wake up it will catch up on you as the day goes by.

Also ditch the L-Tyrosine, thats a precurser to dopamine and noradrenaline which are the futhest things from sleep inducing hormones.

I know you say weed is too expensive but even a small bit will do good things for getting to sleep. Have you  tried antihistamines?  Also earlier in the day try and get a bit of aerobic exercise (20 minutes even) if you do not already exerice


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22215446 - 09/10/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also as a side note, my insomnia seemed to skyrocket after a severe head injury. I dunno if this is correlation or causation, but when I was around 13 or so I was jumping on a trampoline and got "super jumped" to 10+ feet and came down on my back, with my head hitting the frame of the trampoline first. For a couple weeks after, it felt as if my brain was sloshing around. Never went to the doctor over it (My grandma's idea of determining medical problems that warranted going to an emergency room was literally if you had a suspected bone she'd squeeze and go "does that hurt" Wtf do you think?!).

But it was around that time that I went from light insomnia to the state I'm at today.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22215464 - 09/10/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No drug is going to outweigh good sleep hygiene in the long term.

http://sleepfoundation.org/ask-the-expert/sleep-hygiene


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22215500 - 09/10/15 04:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have to tell people this constantly because there is such pervasive misunderstanding of melatonin.

Melatonin is not a sedative. In simple terms, it doesn't actually help you sleep or put you to sleep.

UNLESS you are deficient in it. It is a hormone, not  a sedative.

People think it is like a benzo that knocks you out. Its not like that at all. if you are not deficient in it, it wont help you sleep at all.

It is an amazing antioxidant. It protects you from free radical damage and even radiation because its such a potent antioxadant, a cascading antioxidant.

It can also be taken when you need to change your sleep schedule, like if you do shift work and you need to go to sleep in the morning, taking it then can help you sleep because normally your brain releases melatonin at night time.

But generally speaking, you should NOT take melatonin as a sleep aid. A it won't work most of the time and B it is somewhat harmful to be taking especially large doses of a hormone. Many people think doing so can down regulate and unbalance your brains own natural hormone production. Certainly don't take large doses and don't take regularly.

If you are having trouble sleeping, a far better choice is valerian root extract which IS actually a relaxing, sedating hypnotic sleep aid.

Benzos and etizolam can help but reduce the quality of sleep.

Zzzquil (diphenhyrdramine/ sleep-eze) also works well but should not be taken regularly.

Passionflower, L theanine, chamomile tea also all help.

The best thing for insomnia is intense, prolonged, vigorous outdoor exercise during the day.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22216552 - 09/10/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

T+2h I fell asleep and had an extremely vivid dream.

So all in all it worked decently well for what I intended.

I am not going to stop taking Adderall until I finish college and aI'm not going to stop taking L-Tyrosine until I stop taking Adderall. Dopamine Depletion is fucking terrible.

And yes I've tried Benedryl....that's the first sleep aid everyone tries and it's addictive and decreases the quality of your sleep. Also once you build up a tolerance you risk anticholinergic effects at higher doses....which make it harder to sleep and harder to escape the shadow spiders. So fuck benedryl.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22216809 - 09/10/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I forgot to mention magnesium. Thats really important if you're taking adderall. Amphetamine depletes your magnesium supply and also magnesium acts as a weak NMDA antagonist which will help you sleep and increase the sensitivity of your dopamine receptors ie. it will lower your adderall tolerance.

If you buy it make sure you get magnesium glycinate or magnesium threonate not magnesium oxide.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: olson]
    #22217014 - 09/10/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, I'll order some off amazon right now.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22217066 - 09/10/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a good choice :thumbup:

Just bare in mind the effects are subtle so don't expect anything miraculous but nevertheless its a good thing to take for general health anyway.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: olson]
    #22217099 - 09/10/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Melatonin, 1.5g GABA, 1g L-Tyrosine, 200mg 5-HTP

Add some kratom and it's a recipe for easiest opiate w/d's. Only really worked for me after day 3. All of these and immodium with weed makes it so much easier.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Adden]
    #22217122 - 09/10/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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It's a good choice :thumbup:

Just bare in mind the effects are subtle so don't expect anything miraculous but nevertheless its a good thing to take for general health anyway.





Yeah, it isnt a drug. I tend to notice the effects of supplements over a time period of taking them. D3 was the most noticeable I've tried so far because I have a D3 deficiency and was told to take it by my doctor. I forget to take my D3 though so I ordered a combination supplement of of Magnesium L-Threonate (which supposedly crosses the BBB and improves cognitive function with less laxative effect than other Magnesium supplements), Vitamin D3 and Calcium.

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Melatonin, 1.5g GABA, 1g L-Tyrosine, 200mg 5-HTP

Add some kratom and it's a recipe for easiest opiate w/d's. Only really worked for me after day 3. All of these and immodium with weed makes it so much easier.





Also I have some kratom and Immodium, I'll keep that in mind if I get addicted to opiates. Good info.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22217127 - 09/10/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's a good mixture to have on hand for multiple reasons. Pain, sleep, anxiolytic properties, IBS, etc. Kind of like having benzos on hand when tripping high doses.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22217153 - 09/10/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Only read the op so idk if its been mentioned:

What i found helps me get to bed best is combonations of things like 3mg melatonin, 500 mg valerian root, and 75-100 mg diphenhydramine.

Great combo for lucid dreaming too :thumbup:

Add the comedown of a large kratom dose and you wont be able to keep your eyes open.

What i normally do is rotate the three otc meds i mentioned above so that i do not gain tolerance or dependance on any one of them. But when i need it the combo is great :drooling:


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Mental Taco]
    #22217213 - 09/10/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah dph was mentioned. It really doesn't improve sleep and decreases its quality like Benzos. I have yet to try Valerian root since reports vary from 'no effect' to 'better than benzos' but I think that it probably has to do with how fresh the root is. The 60mg of melatonin seemed to produce vivid dreams similar to what I experience from Dream Herb but without the control (Dream herb was like having a remote control for my dreams rather than full lucidity but it was pretty neat). However, also like Dream Herb I think large doses of melatonin may increase REM and reduce NREM which leaves you feeling less rested in the morning. So for dreaming it seems amazing and I'll probably use it for this purpose in the future but for sleep I think low doses are useless or slightly helpful.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22217494 - 09/10/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've never really had trouble sleeping through out my life. On the rare occasion that I just cannot sleep 1.5mg of melatonin will knock me out in 30 minutes.  I've heard and read a lot about melatonin not being a sedative and I've read that it doesn't work for alot of people including my girlfriend.  But man it knocks me on my ass.  My gf was put on trazadone to help her sleep and it seemed to work.  She doesn't use it anymore though and I don't really recommend it because it's also a anti - depressant and I'm not really down with all that jazz.  Also my stepson who is 7 has a really hard time going to sleep. Eventually it started hurting him in school because lack of sleep would make him cranky and he would get into gobs of trouble.  Well I gave him maybe .75 mg one night and it knocked him out good.  I don't really like giving him meds like that but it seemed to help him.  So I started giving him half a mg or so maybe once or twice a week.  Then I would take a few weeks off.  Now since school has started I haven't given him any in 2 or 3 weeks and while he has some trouble sleeping he is much much better then he was.  It seems like the melatonin regulated his sleeping pattern and got him on a good sleep schedule.

I think with some people melatonin does act as a sedative as sorts and others it does not.  I think it could benefit the latter by taking it everyday at the same time for a few weeks to a month then it could possibly start working.  Personally I would try to get into a routine of doing the same thing every night while taking melatonin 30 min before you go to bed.  It had worked for me, my girlfriend, and her son (only he got melatonin occasionally). 

Not being able to sleep is crappy.  I hope you figure something out soon and can get some decent rest. Good luck my man.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #22217523 - 09/10/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist] * 1
    #22557982 - 11/21/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You need to be very careful with that cocktail of neurotransmitters you're taking or else you can and WILL get serotonin syndrome.

Supplemental melatonin doesn't do shit. And you shouldn't take it for more than 2 weeks at a time.

Try doxylamine succinate but don't take it daily or your tolerance will skyrocket.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Mental Taco]
    #22559123 - 11/22/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I do the same thing as you. kratom, valerian, and melatonin. Taking all 3 at once can give me an opiate like nod.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22559447 - 11/22/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Urist, what makes you think you will stop Adderall after college?

What major are you studying?


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #22559486 - 11/22/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

just buy weed. sleep is so good u just cant go without it. dont risk it man just put your money aside and buy a half pounder man ull have weed forever:rasta:


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Perusha_Kyuden]
    #22560935 - 11/22/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think valerian is really the best option .

It improves sleep quality while benzos, diphenhydramin etc worsen it.

It's actually a sedative , and melatonin is not.

It's far less addictive then ambien or benzos.

It can be taken regularly without messing with your brain hormones like melatonin.

You should also look in to kava I imagine it could be a great sleep aid.

Phenibut can be an awesome sleep air as long as you only use it once a week or less . It also takes four hours to fully kick in so you need to dose
Long before bed time.

L theanine is another safe natural one that would help to some extent.

Melatonin is a uniquely potent antioxidant and that may have health benefits. It's also a great protection from radiation damage . If god forbid you are ever at risk of radiation damage take some melatonin.

I take melatonin every few days at bedtime but valerian is my go to tegu lad sleep aid.

I find it's actually euphoric and relaxing .


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22560971 - 11/22/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do you get more nightmares like valerian supposedly causes?

I used to drink sleepy teas all the time with valerian and other relaxing and or sedating herbs. Rarely did much though, meditating in the dark does more for me.

But in the end if I am not tired its really hard for my mind to shut off n sleep. Kratom and cannabis can help but they also can make it worse :lol:


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
    #22561000 - 11/22/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just take Benadryl... Out of everything that worked best for me.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: RobZombie68]
    #22561005 - 11/22/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Cool dreams.

Try not to fuck your brain.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: musiclover420]
    #22565795 - 11/23/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No i never or almost never get nightmares and havent noticed any more nightmares from valerian


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22566077 - 11/23/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Moon; I have taken melatonin on and off for many years now. What side effects would you expect? It seems like a horrible idea now that you mention it. I have just had horrible insomnia and besides drugs it keeps me asleep

At the moment I basically only regularly use GHB and caffiene. I will quit melatonin starting tonight I guess :shrug:

I basically had no choice. It was melatonin, GHB, weed, kratom or just no sleep. I quit all of the above and just replaced them with melatonin for sleep

Godamn...I make some really unwise decisions


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: topdog82]
    #22566567 - 11/24/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No no don't get me wrong, melatonin is not dangerous and I highly doubt you will have had any negative problems from it. However I recommend taking a good six month break from it.

Really the only downside is the high doses of what is actually an endogenous neurohormone might cause your own natural production of melatonin to decrease.

If you take a long break from melatonin I imagine that will return to normal.

Dont worry you havent harmed yourself at all, in fact regular melatonin might have some health benefits from the extreme antioxidant activity.

Its not that its dangerous, its just that its not actually a sedative and only helps sleep if you are deficient in it.

Whereas valerian root is actually a benzo like sedative, but one that improves rather then decreases sleep quality.


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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22566939 - 11/24/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the info mate!

I slept last night using no chemicals and went to sleep fine. So I think I have not acquired any serious damage


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