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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
#22217153 - 09/10/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Only read the op so idk if its been mentioned:
What i found helps me get to bed best is combonations of things like 3mg melatonin, 500 mg valerian root, and 75-100 mg diphenhydramine.
Great combo for lucid dreaming too
Add the comedown of a large kratom dose and you wont be able to keep your eyes open.
What i normally do is rotate the three otc meds i mentioned above so that i do not gain tolerance or dependance on any one of them. But when i need it the combo is great
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Yeah dph was mentioned. It really doesn't improve sleep and decreases its quality like Benzos. I have yet to try Valerian root since reports vary from 'no effect' to 'better than benzos' but I think that it probably has to do with how fresh the root is. The 60mg of melatonin seemed to produce vivid dreams similar to what I experience from Dream Herb but without the control (Dream herb was like having a remote control for my dreams rather than full lucidity but it was pretty neat). However, also like Dream Herb I think large doses of melatonin may increase REM and reduce NREM which leaves you feeling less rested in the morning. So for dreaming it seems amazing and I'll probably use it for this purpose in the future but for sleep I think low doses are useless or slightly helpful.
Edited by Urist (09/10/15 02:46 PM)
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
#22217494 - 09/10/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never really had trouble sleeping through out my life. On the rare occasion that I just cannot sleep 1.5mg of melatonin will knock me out in 30 minutes. I've heard and read a lot about melatonin not being a sedative and I've read that it doesn't work for alot of people including my girlfriend. But man it knocks me on my ass. My gf was put on trazadone to help her sleep and it seemed to work. She doesn't use it anymore though and I don't really recommend it because it's also a anti - depressant and I'm not really down with all that jazz. Also my stepson who is 7 has a really hard time going to sleep. Eventually it started hurting him in school because lack of sleep would make him cranky and he would get into gobs of trouble. Well I gave him maybe .75 mg one night and it knocked him out good. I don't really like giving him meds like that but it seemed to help him. So I started giving him half a mg or so maybe once or twice a week. Then I would take a few weeks off. Now since school has started I haven't given him any in 2 or 3 weeks and while he has some trouble sleeping he is much much better then he was. It seems like the melatonin regulated his sleeping pattern and got him on a good sleep schedule.
I think with some people melatonin does act as a sedative as sorts and others it does not. I think it could benefit the latter by taking it everyday at the same time for a few weeks to a month then it could possibly start working. Personally I would try to get into a routine of doing the same thing every night while taking melatonin 30 min before you go to bed. It had worked for me, my girlfriend, and her son (only he got melatonin occasionally).
Not being able to sleep is crappy. I hope you figure something out soon and can get some decent rest. Good luck my man.
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: DTCharlieB]
#22217523 - 09/10/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by 23x (09/14/15 12:21 PM)
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist] 1
#22557982 - 11/21/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You need to be very careful with that cocktail of neurotransmitters you're taking or else you can and WILL get serotonin syndrome.
Supplemental melatonin doesn't do shit. And you shouldn't take it for more than 2 weeks at a time.
Try doxylamine succinate but don't take it daily or your tolerance will skyrocket.
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I do the same thing as you. kratom, valerian, and melatonin. Taking all 3 at once can give me an opiate like nod.
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
#22559447 - 11/22/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Urist, what makes you think you will stop Adderall after college?
What major are you studying?
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just buy weed. sleep is so good u just cant go without it. dont risk it man just put your money aside and buy a half pounder man ull have weed forever
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I think valerian is really the best option .
It improves sleep quality while benzos, diphenhydramin etc worsen it.
It's actually a sedative , and melatonin is not.
It's far less addictive then ambien or benzos.
It can be taken regularly without messing with your brain hormones like melatonin.
You should also look in to kava I imagine it could be a great sleep aid.
Phenibut can be an awesome sleep air as long as you only use it once a week or less . It also takes four hours to fully kick in so you need to dose Long before bed time.
L theanine is another safe natural one that would help to some extent.
Melatonin is a uniquely potent antioxidant and that may have health benefits. It's also a great protection from radiation damage . If god forbid you are ever at risk of radiation damage take some melatonin.
I take melatonin every few days at bedtime but valerian is my go to tegu lad sleep aid.
I find it's actually euphoric and relaxing .
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
#22560971 - 11/22/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you get more nightmares like valerian supposedly causes?
I used to drink sleepy teas all the time with valerian and other relaxing and or sedating herbs. Rarely did much though, meditating in the dark does more for me.
But in the end if I am not tired its really hard for my mind to shut off n sleep. Kratom and cannabis can help but they also can make it worse
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Urist]
#22561000 - 11/22/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just take Benadryl... Out of everything that worked best for me.
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Cool dreams.
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No i never or almost never get nightmares and havent noticed any more nightmares from valerian
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
#22566077 - 11/23/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moon; I have taken melatonin on and off for many years now. What side effects would you expect? It seems like a horrible idea now that you mention it. I have just had horrible insomnia and besides drugs it keeps me asleep
At the moment I basically only regularly use GHB and caffiene. I will quit melatonin starting tonight I guess 
I basically had no choice. It was melatonin, GHB, weed, kratom or just no sleep. I quit all of the above and just replaced them with melatonin for sleep
Godamn...I make some really unwise decisions
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: topdog82]
#22566567 - 11/24/15 05:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No no don't get me wrong, melatonin is not dangerous and I highly doubt you will have had any negative problems from it. However I recommend taking a good six month break from it.
Really the only downside is the high doses of what is actually an endogenous neurohormone might cause your own natural production of melatonin to decrease.
If you take a long break from melatonin I imagine that will return to normal.
Dont worry you havent harmed yourself at all, in fact regular melatonin might have some health benefits from the extreme antioxidant activity.
Its not that its dangerous, its just that its not actually a sedative and only helps sleep if you are deficient in it.
Whereas valerian root is actually a benzo like sedative, but one that improves rather then decreases sleep quality.
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Re: Large Melatonin doses [Re: Moonshoe]
#22566939 - 11/24/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info mate!
I slept last night using no chemicals and went to sleep fine. So I think I have not acquired any serious damage
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