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OfflineDr.Wongburger
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Just because a state legalizes pot * 2
    #22214795 - 09/09/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Does not mean it will stay legal for ever, I imagine if they can make it illegal before, they can make it illegal again. It's all about what the majority wants. Change the majority and its gone *poof*.

Hopefully it will take deep roots like alcohol and people will be outraged if its ever made illegal again. Just look at alcohol tho, ten years of prohibition. Ten long fucking years. That's nothing compared to how long marijuana has been illegal for recreational use in most of the nation, so I guess that's a bad example.

You guys think where legal that it will ever be reversed again? How long until the majority or the scumbags that have the power that want to control ever aspect of our lives take away our freedoms to smoke pot again? You know damn well they can come up with some bullshit to stop you from smoking it(like they did with the Tax stamp thing originally, who knows what the fuck else they can make up in todays world). 25 years? 100 years? What are our children looking at/ will they have to deal with it?

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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 3
    #22214805 - 09/09/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The money it generates would keep it safely legal just like alcohol.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22214809 - 09/09/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It won't be made illegal again anytime soon. People are way more educated about weed now then 80 years ago.

The prohibition of alcohol only lasted ten years because... well, it was ineffective. The revenue generated from weed will only keep the government's interests vested.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger] * 1
    #22214810 - 09/09/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt it will ever be overturned. I think it's a generational thing and that the old people who believe the hype about marijuana are dying off.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22214829 - 09/09/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I sure hope you guys are right. It would sure be nice if our generation would think of a way to enforce its legalization- make it permanent. Make it to where they could never take it away. Hopefully like said above the money that's involved in it will be keep it locked in. Like alcohol. All it takes is a few generations of brainwashing and boom its gone.

If they start censoring information like the internet (as desired by the NSA) they could rid of opposing views. I don't think they can ever stop books, but who knows what could happen in the future if people become fond of censorship such as on the internet.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22214832 - 09/09/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
I doubt it will ever be overturned. I think it's a generational thing and that the old people who believe the hype about marijuana are dying off.






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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: GoblinKing]
    #22214921 - 09/09/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You signature is trippin man!


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22214963 - 09/09/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dr.Wongburger said:


If they start censoring information like the internet (as desired by the NSA) they could rid of opposing views. I don't think they can ever stop books, but who knows what could happen in the future if people become fond of censorship such as on the internet.




At this point you would need to shut down the whole internet to silence people. Government can't stop child porn how are they going to stop free speech? Cat is out of the bag there is no going back now.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: my3rdeye]
    #22214999 - 09/09/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thank God for VPN's and a TOR browser right? Red alarms will start to go off if they make that stuff illegal. Like you said tho I don't think it will ever happen. I could see them making VPN's illegal like other nations due to torrenting but I don't see it happening. It's just a concerning issue to think that marijuana could be made illegal again.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22215284 - 09/10/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yo man D was looking for you, asking about you.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: abltsandwich]
    #22215366 - 09/10/15 03:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It will never be illegal again.

Why would it be?

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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: RobMarley420]
    #22215511 - 09/10/15 04:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, If I remember correctly, the only reason it was made illegal in the first place was because of propaganda proposed by lumber companies because hemp could be used to make paper at a cheaper cost.(Could be off though)

Weed wasn't made illegal because of the safety, it was made illegal because of nonstop fear mongering.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: wigglewak]
    #22215527 - 09/10/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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wigglewak said:
The money it generates would keep it safely legal just like alcohol.




This


I remember reading that a lot of the money in CO from legalized cannabis was going to fund schools, why would they want to fuck that up.

Cannabis is such a wonderful cash crop, there's no way they will ever criminalize it again.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Lucis]
    #22215538 - 09/10/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's true that these States could unlegalize it any day. I think it's about as likely as the US restarting alcohol prohibition.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #22215551 - 09/10/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What's more likely tbh is that the federal government decides to enforce it being illegal no matter what the state has said. Some of the republic candidates wanted to enforce marijuana prohibition last I checked. But I can't remember exactly who.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Achillita]
    #22215575 - 09/10/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Achillita said:
What's more likely tbh is that the federal government decides to enforce it being illegal no matter what the state has said. Some of the republic candidates wanted to enforce marijuana prohibition last I checked. But I can't remember exactly who.



They do/did want to, but they won't succeed now with such a high level of public support esp with people not trusting the government as easily as they used to. It's almost political suicide now to try to federally enforce this issue in legal states (as it should be).


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #22215709 - 09/10/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Lets just wait to see what the next GOP clown in the WH does...


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Detached]
    #22215904 - 09/10/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Detached said:
It won't be made illegal again anytime soon. People are way more educated about weed now then 80 years ago.





educated people would see that just because a couple of states made it legal doesnt
mean it is actually legal yet, there's still 48 states to go and then there's the
whole "it's fucking illegal on the federal level which is some serious fucking
charges if they decide to start enforcement in legal states"


so yeah, there is that


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Achillita]
    #22215911 - 09/10/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Achillita said:
Yeah, If I remember correctly, the only reason it was made illegal in the first place was because of propaganda proposed by lumber companies because hemp could be used to make paper at a cheaper cost.(Could be off though)

Weed wasn't made illegal because of the safety, it was made illegal because of nonstop fear mongering.





why wouldnt the lumber companies just plant pot and make fucktons of cash?


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22216630 - 09/10/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because they already owned fucktons of lumber acreage?


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22216720 - 09/10/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And then there's the issue of quality. Weed isn't exactly legal here in Amsterdam. There's no Marlboro like company growing the stuff, and there are no government regulations on strength and quality. Weed-lords grow the stuff illegally and push up the strength to compete. You see, selling and consuming is legal, but transporting and growing are not. It's a strange situation.

There's talk every now and then of letting the state take over the growing, but then they'd want to curtail the strength of the weed, they say from a health perspective. I like the strong stuff, so I hope we keep it in the gray area here.

What's this like in the US? Who grows it, and are there legal limits on strength now, or in the foreseeable future?


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #22216723 - 09/10/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the rest of the west coast is going legal soon, OR and CA in the least then it will start popping up everywhere.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22216971 - 09/10/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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What's this like in the US? Who grows it, and are there legal limits on strength now, or in the foreseeable future?



It's grown by growers who get licences and permits by the state. It's all taxed aswell. The potency of actual bud is no problem. A lot of people like the really, really dank stuff so that's not going out of style. But a lot of states are restrcting the THC content of edibles because idiots eat too much and do stupid stuff.
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Prisoner#1 said:why wouldnt the lumber companies just plant pot and make fucktons of cash?



Because lumber gives a larger profit because people payed more. Hemp was dirt cheap, and could make paper, clothes, rope, and whatnot. Also I forgot to mention that Alcohol companies also wanted to make marijuana illegal and funded the same propaganda.

It's because it was decently popular, and at the time a lot of women's rights groups pushed for more people using marijuana because alcohol is more likely to contribute to abuse towards wives.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22217062 - 09/10/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They're making so much $ off it I don't see them giving that up anytime soon. What I would worry about is how much more weed costs when you buy it legally and have to tip out uncle sam, and for that reason I don't buy legal herb unless I'm in a real pinch. Anyhow, where I'm at legalization hasn't made much of an impact so its a bit of a moot point to me. Laws have never contributed to my decision making practice, I rely on my morality above all.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: twoseeeye]
    #22217074 - 09/10/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't weed prices pretty damn low right now in Colorado? If I remember correctly, you can buy an eighth for 35 bucks.

Weed is only expensive for the first few months after legalization, and then it drops to reasonable prices.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Achillita]
    #22217081 - 09/10/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

An eighth for 35 is not low. It is high. 35 US is 45 CAD. I would never pay that for weed. Ever.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22217109 - 09/10/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We gave some food and a couple bucks to a drifter hippie the other day (OR) and he threw us a bag of fire dank and some edibles. I can dig it.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Adden]
    #22217119 - 09/10/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

An eighth where I'm at costs 45-55 dollars. 35$ sounds like a great deal to me :shrug:


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Achillita]
    #22217131 - 09/10/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I paid 135 US(180 CAD) for my last grade A ounce.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Hanz]
    #22217142 - 09/10/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

State by state they have differing legalization models. Colorado has the best in my opinion, Then Alaska, then Washington. I believe Oregon and Cali are working on theirs, I haven't been keeping track. Washington sold a limited number of licenses to perspective growers, requiring each to operate a warehouse producing 100,000 plants a month, which they can sell to marijuana stores. They're keeping the "little guy" out of the business, and growing at home is illegal. Alaska allows individuals to grow six plants at home, and has a similar model to WA in other aspects. Colorado has licensed large scale growers, as well as allowing store owners to have small grows at the locations they sell from, say, in a store basement or attic. There are no limits on potency as far as I'm aware, and here in WA you can get some good shit at the stores, which are like designer weed shops, as well as edibles, hash, hash oil, and other derivatives.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22217144 - 09/10/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My last HP only cost 1200 dollars. I still think I overpaid a few hundred but it beat 850 a qp. It's pretty good for pain but when my pain is too much I'll smoke more and it gets too heady.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Adden]
    #22217155 - 09/10/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The states can legalize it all they want.  The feds can still bust anybody if they want to.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: abltsandwich]
    #22217170 - 09/10/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yo man D was looking for you, asking about you.




Is that Ebonics or traditional white Anglo-Saxon? :shocked:


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Adden]
    #22217173 - 09/10/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's an exponential thing. The more bulk you buy, the cheaper it gets. I can get an ounce of dank for 110 dollars, or 5 grams for 50. I can't remember the prices for ounces in legal states at the moment though.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: wigglewak]
    #22217179 - 09/10/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The money it generates would keep it safely legal just like alcohol.




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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Detached]
    #22217182 - 09/10/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Detached said:
It won't be made illegal again anytime soon. People are way more educated about weed now then 80 years ago.

The prohibition of alcohol only lasted ten years because... well, it was ineffective. The revenue generated from weed will only keep the government's interests vested.




This is the concern tho. Alcohol was very well rooted at that time. Family's growing up with it, being around it, then some how or another they made it illegal due to the opposing efforts.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Achillita]
    #22217189 - 09/10/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's an exponential thing. The more bulk you buy, the cheaper it gets. I can get an ounce of dank for 110 dollars, or 5 grams for 50. I can't remember the prices for ounces in legal states at the moment though.




The funny thing is, here in Colorado you can still buy weed from the black market tax free :grin:


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Dr.Wongburger]
    #22217217 - 09/10/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but I could get better weed from my dealer for 35 and he weighs his 8ths to 4 grams. that's their bottom dollar junk I'd assume.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Lucis]
    #22217221 - 09/10/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Fennario said:
Quote:

wigglewak said:
The money it generates would keep it safely legal just like alcohol.




This


I remember reading that a lot of the money in CO from legalized cannabis was going to fund schools, why would they want to fuck that up.

Cannabis is such a wonderful cash crop, there's no way they will ever criminalize it again.




You can search this up on other sites also.
http://www.hemp.com/2014/06/colorado-hemp-seeds-seized-by-feds/

“The shipment is currently undergoing scientific evaluation, as hemp seeds can look much like marijuana seeds,” Neudauer said in a statement.

MY big question is WHY is the DEA so concerned about the growing of hemp in Colorado?!

Apparently in this case its because the hemp seeds could be "marijuana seeds" why should that matter tho since marijuana is legal here in Colorado? They think we cant get our own pot seeds produced here/Production? :lol:

I'm thinking.. like this. Is it illegal to order something thats legal in your state, from another country but illegal ever where else?


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: twoseeeye]
    #22217267 - 09/10/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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State by state they have differing legalization models. Colorado has the best in my opinion, Then Alaska, then Washington. I believe Oregon and Cali are working on theirs, I haven't been keeping track. Washington sold a limited number of licenses to perspective growers, requiring each to operate a warehouse producing 100,000 plants a month, which they can sell to marijuana stores. They're keeping the "little guy" out of the business, and growing at home is illegal. Alaska allows individuals to grow six plants at home, and has a similar model to WA in other aspects. Colorado has licensed large scale growers, as well as allowing store owners to have small grows at the locations they sell from, say, in a store basement or attic. There are no limits on potency as far as I'm aware, and here in WA you can get some good shit at the stores, which are like designer weed shops, as well as edibles, hash, hash oil, and other derivatives.





They are collecting signatures right now for FL state (where I originally lived!), the one most people are talking about allows for any amount to be grown, any amount to be possessed. Pretty much unregulated.

If this gets enough signatures and voters pass it, I'm moving to the fucking beach!!

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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22217278 - 09/10/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can't remember the last time I paid money for pot.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: Adden]
    #22217280 - 09/10/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dys said:
My last HP only cost 1200 dollars. I still think I overpaid a few hundred but it beat 850 a qp. It's pretty good for pain but when my pain is too much I'll smoke more and it gets too heady.



That's how much a pound costs in October :awesome:

But unless you really try to - its almost impossible to buy weed around the So. Oregon area, too many people giving it out.


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Re: Just because a state legalizes pot [Re: twighead]
    #22217341 - 09/10/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have realized growing high quality weed is not the most easy thing to do. I mean icy frosty weed. Out doors any ways on a balcony. It's decent to smoke compared to weed in FL from the black market (that $10-$15 a gram stuff) but it's (for me) hard match that medical grade frosty dope. :shrug:

Maybe better genetics next time hehe.


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