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Peyote Road
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Soma experiment
#22213745 - 09/09/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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After discovering the Miskwedo (Amanita Muscaria mushroom) I have very naturally and as a matter of course become interested in the ancinet Soma. One theory I read had the ancient Soma listed as a combination of the following five plants. Amanita msucaria, Cannabis, Opium, Psilocybin mushrooms and I forget what the fifth plant was.
Recently I gave this combination a try. I mixed opium, cannabis and Amanita muscaria two days after a 5.5 gram psilocybin mushroom voyage. So I wasnt actually on psilocybin at the time but I was still experiencing after glow type effects.
I must say I believe this theory might be onto something. This is the most supreme drug combnation I have ever done. The big soma mushroom is extremely powerful on its own but it has an unpleasant edge of tediousness which is soothed by the opium. The opium also provides a sense of joy and synergizes with the painkilling effect of the Amanita. The cannabis helps make the experience more blissful, relazing, all encompassing, introspective and less nausea provoking. And the psilocybin provides the viionary aspect (psilocybin plus Amanita together is the most powerful visionary potion I have ever experenced, I saw both Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary).
THis combination definitately warrants further experimentation. Any thoughts on safety?
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champinhom
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Long intervals between indulgences will keep you safer than short intervals. All that stuff taken together makes me dizzy just thinking about it.
You can bet that these guys who are writing books about soma and its possible constituents are NOT trying any of their theories out on their own precious bodies.
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Peyote Road
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I disagree. Gordon Wasson, who proposed the theory that Amanita was Soma or at least the key ingredient, was a user of both Amanita and psilocybin. He introduced Timothy Leary to psilocybin which started the whole 60s psychedelic movement but Leary gets all the credit.
Anyway, I dont know whether he ever tried it in combinbation but I also feel dizzy just thinking about this combination which is why I make this thread to ask on safety. Also, rather than just take all four drugs at once I have worked my way up one substance at a time. First starting with amanita, then amanita plus cannabis, then amanita plus cannabis plus opium and on my next trip perhaps amanita plus cannabis plus opium plus psilocybin.
The next step is figuring out the proper dosage. I think amanita should be the core of the experience, a small amount of opium to smooth things out, a small amount of psilocybin to enhance the visionary aspect and a few hits of cannabis to blend it all together and level it out.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
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champinhom
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Peyote Road said: I disagree. Gordon Wasson, who proposed the theory that Amanita was Soma or at least the key ingredient, was a user of both Amanita and psilocybin. He introduced Timothy Leary to psilocybin which started the whole 60s psychedelic movement but Leary gets all the credit.
Anyway, I dont know whether he ever tried it in combinbation but I also feel dizzy just thinking about this combination which is why I make this thread to ask on safety. Also, rather than just take all four drugs at once I have worked my way up one substance at a time. First starting with amanita, then amanita plus cannabis, then amanita plus cannabis plus opium and on my next trip perhaps amanita plus cannabis plus opium plus psilocybin.
The next step is figuring out the proper dosage. I think amanita should be the core of the experience, a small amount of opium to smooth things out, a small amount of psilocybin to enhance the visionary aspect and a few hits of cannabis to blend it all together and level it out.
I leave it to you. Long ago I learned how much the body pays for these escapades.But, What do I know? Maybe you are getting something that makes it worth it.
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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Peyote Road
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Can you be more specific? I know that tripping takes a lot out of me, it exhausting, especially on psilocybin.
But compared with alcohol or cocaine, I feel like psychedelic drugs are relatively easy on the body.
In my case, I am using them to heal deep traumas that have prevented me enjoying life for decades, as well as healing my brain from years of benzodiazepine abuse. I literally felt like I had entire sections of my brain that dried up and died following my benzodiazepine addiction, which magic mushrooms (both psilocybin and amanita) have re-awakened and brought back to life.
So while going on heavy trips definitely takes a lot out of me, I am in such sore need of the healing I have been recieving that I consider it worth it.
I do feel as though we as a community could be more open about how much tripping can take out of you. If you read the psychedelic literature, it mostly only talks about the amazing effects of psychedelics and not how tired and sensitive you can feel after coming dfown from big psilocybin adventure with cannabis.
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Peyote Road
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In the interview with the native american medicine woman who uses amanita i listened to last night, they asked her do you prefer to be on amanita or you prefer to be sober? She said she prefers being sober because the amanita is not so easy on her body. She uses for healing but once the healing is done, she enjoys to live life sober. I want to be like her. I have lived life on drugs for so many year, it has almost destyped me as person. Now with psilocybin, cannabis, and amanita I feel like I am bringing myself back to life.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
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champinhom
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Peyote Road said: In the interview with the native american medicine woman who uses amanita i listened to last night, they asked her do you prefer to be on amanita or you prefer to be sober? She said she prefers being sober because the amanita is not so easy on her body. She uses for healing but once the healing is done, she enjoys to live life sober. I want to be like her. I have lived life on drugs for so many year, it has almost destyped me as person. Now with psilocybin, cannabis, and amanita I feel like I am bringing myself back to life.
I'm with the medicine woman. I prefer to be sober. That being said, I see the benefit of occasional psychedlic episodes. I have learned from psilocybin. And one of the things I have learned is one use a month is a lot. More than that both degrades the experience and my physical well being.
You seem to be trying to use a thorn to remove a thorn. I hope it works, or I hope it keeps working for you. I am no doctor. I can't advise you. I can only say what I would do. But, one size does NOT fit all.
-------------------- My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said. Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking. Saul Bellow “People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P. Silocybin
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Sabnock
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Syrian Rue or something similar definitely has to be involved, in my opinion. The Amanita's would counteract Harmaline's GABA-A inverse agonsim, Cannabis goes great with Rue and Amanita's, the Shrooms would go well with the Rue i would think and would probably synergize with the Amanita's in a pretty cool way. As for the Opium, haven't personally experienced Opium so i can't speak on that, but i could see a puff or two of some Opium mixed with Cannabis being quite nice probably.
Edited by Sabnock (09/10/15 09:09 PM)
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Achillita
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Re: Soma experiment [Re: Sabnock]
#22218790 - 09/10/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSD usually takes a lot out of me, but psilocybin mushrooms have never made me feel exhausted or worn out. I'll feel tired towards the comedown, but that's because I usually prefer tripping during the evening.
But I don't know about mixing syrian rue and opium. It sounds like a dangerous combo.
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