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My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip...
    #22213023 - 09/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Salvia is not what I once thought... Its some mind blowing shit...

Around 2 years ago I took some 10x Salvia Extract with my friends on holiday, We all had a great time and we could all not stop laughing it was a great experience and I was looking forward to trying salvia again..
I Have been a regular cannabis smoker for around 5 years and like to take mushrooms on the odd occasion.

This was x10 Salvia But WAY Stronger than what i had before..

Basically I did some research on salvia and found the best ways to smoke it so i could make the most out of my 1 gram..
- Low Lighting - Ice / Water Bong - Heat - Big hits holding in for 30 seconds -

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My X10 Salvia Experiance ( Aprox 0.3Gram )
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I dimmed all the lights and was in near darkness on my own and took one big hit from my Ice bong using my jet lighter. It was a big hit.. I held it in for 20-30 seconds and all was good, I did not feel much after the hit so took all the smoke from the bong - another big hit...

The second I breathed it in I lost total control of my body and was sucked in to a vortex of darkness .. It was Instantaneous and intense -there was nothing I could do.  At this point confusion totally took over and there was nothingness... :paranoid:
I can just about remember shouting - 'what's happening ? 'or something along them lines, Its hard to remember but before I knew it out of the total darkness appeared hundreds of  white / grey walls in a straight line - each with gaps  [ [ [ [ [ [ Nothing but Darkness surrounded this occurring line of walls.

Maybe 3-5 seconds afterwards I was pulled in by an unknown force and was stuck between these walls, Before I knew it all these layers started compressing together - everything was getting smaller and smaller... at this point i feared for my life, The surfaces all ripped in to  a 2 dimension surface, the walls continued to compress and while this happened I was still in-between my layer... I guess it was like a sort of DNA Stairway compressing its real fucked up to explain but i did feel like i was getting pushed down and diagonally twisted about until i could take no more.  :screwed:

My brain was fucked and I thought 'this is the end' - I was simply going to die from the layers compacting me like a pancake..
It was a horrible and a mentally painful Experience.. :pressure:
As this 2 Dimension world turned in to 'one' I suddenly awakened at the opposite side of my living room next to my curtain and was filled with more confusion and had a heavy head . I had to Rip myself way from my certain believing I was connected to it somehow , The 3D (real world) suddenly came back to me when I was free - Out of darkness and away from that dreaded curtain.. I did not want to stay in the same room so stumbled to my bedroom to clear my head and get some sleep.. :oogle:

I’m not sure how long this 'trip' went on for... Time did not exist in my mind although it did seem Fast - maybe 20-30seconds of hell and 5 seconds of  sheer terror..

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Well, that's my Story..
I don't usually write stuff like this (trip reports) so hope its not written to badly :lol:

Please don't let this put you off Salvia.. Life is all about experiencing new things and even positives can come from negative experiences. :brainondrugs:

In the future i'll try take Salvia with some with friends .. When you have no control of your body or mind who knows what could happen.. I almost smashed my TV during this nightmare trip -  I woke up the next day and found my TV at the edge of its stand and a wet rug as my bong had tipped over on to the floor :grin:


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: chrismcq]
    #22216793 - 09/10/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh man, reading the words "2 dimensional" triggered all those salvia bad trip flags again with me.

I like salvia, but in small doses. And 0.3gr of 10x I consider a rather strong dose. I marvel at people smoking those 50x extracts and so on.

If I take too much of the 10x then I too get stuck between compressing layers, until finally I am fused with the wallpaper. Salvia taught me what the life of a strip of wallpaper is like. Not nice compared to a blessed human being. A strip of wallpaper has no perspective, is going nowhere, and will be discarded after being stuck in the same place for years. I woke up shocked and confused, and with a new respect for lifeless objects. It was, however, a lesson I could have lived without.

Also, I've heard that no one knows what 10x means exactly. It's not standardized in any way. One 10x could be way stronger than the other 10x, even of the same brand. It's all guesswork.

Hope you get over the shock, and that next time will be better!

Love, Hanz.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Hanz]
    #22217556 - 09/10/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like a beautiful trip! I'm surprised you didn't like it.

I loved each and every salvia trip I've had - apart from those when I haven't smoked enough or smoked pure leaf which is a piece of wank.

I would love to be stuck between walls and get smashed by salvia, so so lovely!
I cannot wait to see what new insanities salvia has to offer to me.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Hanz]
    #22217579 - 09/10/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh man, reading the words "2 dimensional" triggered all those salvia bad trip flags again with me.

I like salvia, but in small doses. And 0.3gr of 10x I consider a rather strong dose. I marvel at people smoking those 50x extracts and so on.

If I take too much of the 10x then I too get stuck between compressing layers, until finally I am fused with the wallpaper. Salvia taught me what the life of a strip of wallpaper is like. Not nice compared to a blessed human being. A strip of wallpaper has no perspective, is going nowhere, and will be discarded after being stuck in the same place for years. I woke up shocked and confused, and with a new respect for lifeless objects. It was, however, a lesson I could have lived without.

Also, I've heard that no one knows what 10x means exactly. It's not standardized in any way. One 10x could be way stronger than the other 10x, even of the same brand. It's all guesswork.

Hope you get over the shock, and that next time will be better!

Love, Hanz.




I know what you mean. Salvia has been giving me the same lesson.
I have experienced being an insect or a plant, as well as wall, door, roof and a few more objects. I was never able to translate these lessons into words until I've read your comment.
I find it difficult to integrate salvia trips and translate them into any verbal/written language.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22217642 - 09/10/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

.3 grams of 10x?? And you had a difficult time?? NO SHIT

You way over dosed


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Hanz]
    #22217672 - 09/10/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the kind words guys :thumbup:

I totally agree Hanz, its a lesson I too could have lived without :lol:

Your right about the 10x - potency can vary a lot.. That's why i'll always stick with 10x

£10 = 1 gram of x10
£50 = 1 gram of x50
(UK PRICES)

What dosage do you guys recommend / use ?
I Used 0.25 Grams to be precise, After the first time i used salvia i did not expect much so just loaded some leaf in to a bong, No measurements.

Salvia is a Crazy drug man, How this is legal when cannabis is not I'll never understand. 

Its good to know we can blast off to another dimension regardless of its its bad or not :rockon:


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22221206 - 09/11/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I was never able to translate these lessons into words until I've read your comment.
I find it difficult to integrate salvia trips and translate them into any verbal/written language.




Aww, that is nice of you to say. And that coming from a true salvia lover! Thanx. :heart:


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: chrismcq]
    #22221233 - 09/11/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Thanks for the kind words guys :thumbup:

I totally agree Hanz, its a lesson I too could have lived without :lol:

Your right about the 10x - potency can vary a lot.. That's why i'll always stick with 10x

£10 = 1 gram of x10
£50 = 1 gram of x50
(UK PRICES)

What dosage do you guys recommend / use ?
I Used 0.25 Grams to be precise, After the first time i used salvia i did not expect much so just loaded some leaf in to a bong, No measurements.

Salvia is a Crazy drug man, How this is legal when cannabis is not I'll never understand. 

Its good to know we can blast off to another dimension regardless of its its bad or not :rockon:




I'm not sure if we can discuss prices or give advice on dosage. What do the forum rules say again? Strength varies too much, personal sensitivity varies too much, etc.

But I guess I can tell you what works for me. I prefer my 5x. The amount of smoke you have to inhale acts like a natural brake on your intake. With 10x that amount is so small I quickly inhale too much. This is a personal preference.

I start feeling the 5x when I hit more than 75mg. At 100mg it is trippy. Between 125-150mg is my sweet spot. More can be interesting, but there the discomfort starts to rise. Compared to all the he-man stories out there these are pussy doses, but hey, I happen to like pussy :lol:

I have yet to start with quid, chewing, and plain leaf. I've heard that smoking plain leaf on the peak of quidding can be worth your time.

Love, Hanz.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Hanz]
    #22221853 - 09/11/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It took me countless times of experimentation until I found my sweet spot with salvia. I have tried several extracts from different brands and strengths and eliminated ones which are not worth time and money.

I used to take 2-3 hits of anything between 40x-80x. Now since I've quit smoking weed and cigarettes I am able to take one huge hit and I'm done.

I reckon I have a high tolerance to salvia or people who talk about smoking 5x-10x never had a full salvia experience?


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22222001 - 09/11/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have had level 5/6 experiences from 5X extract and a big bong :shrug:

Flew through parallel universes to the center of existence..... check
Met a goddess there, tentacles sprouting from her head.... check
Thought reality broke.... check
Was 7 years old again.... check
Was a shoe.... check
Died.... check

Yeah salvia is awesome and scary


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #22222011 - 09/11/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've only had good trips so far. Was watching tv and friends on the couch to the right merged with the tv. So they are talking and it is like a game show on the tv and I said " Guys why aren't you talking to the people in the show?" lmao.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #22222020 - 09/11/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I have had level 5/6 experiences from 5X extract and a big bong :shrug:

Flew through parallel universes to the center of existence..... check
Met a goddess there, tentacles sprouting from her head.... check
Thought reality broke.... check
Was 7 years old again.... check
Was a shoe.... check
Died.... check

Yeah salvia is awesome and scary




I never even got this far with 80x (I believe one of them was 80x).

I've felt/seen parallel dimensions unfolding, I became merged with objects etc, also had deep insights into true nature of reality etc. But never had actual visions of being in hyperspace etc.

Recently I have came across information that salvia needs to be done in complete silence in order to be able to achieve trance state. Apparently any sounds coming from physical surroundings will wake up from the trance.

I need to do it in silence next time.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22222507 - 09/11/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I reckon I have a high tolerance to salvia or people who talk about smoking 5x-10x never had a full salvia experience?




I'm sure there is much further to go from where I've been on 5x-10x.

I've had mixed results though. Explored levels 1-4 on different doses. And once, third trip on the same night, I think reverse tolerance kicked me through level 6, black out, amnesia, and horror. But I've never had that level 5 madness I here those stories about. Now I'm afraid to aim high, never want to go back to level 6 ever again.

I can't complain though. On level 4 I met friendly entities, they were humanoid, child like, and welcoming, and had a great gift for me. The secret of the way to heaven. I remember telling them, with tears in my eyes and laughing hysterically, that I couldn't take it back with me, it was too profound. It just wouldn't fit back through the worm hole I came through. They told me I was always welcome to pick it up later. Very convenient and practical of them I must say. :lol:

The secret was actually rather simple. The door to heaven is inside you. For believers, your personal connection with god. You can't lose it. You can only lose sight of it temporarily.


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Recently I have came across information that salvia needs to be done in complete silence in order to be able to achieve trance state. Apparently any sounds coming from physical surroundings will wake up from the trance.

I need to do it in silence next time.




I recommend complete and total sensory deprivation. Total silence, total darkness, light clothing. Prepare by adapting to the darkness first. I'm not religious, not really. But this is the time I pray. I take at least 30 minutes to enter that state. Then smoke. It pays off.

Love, Hanz.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Hanz]
    #22225789 - 09/12/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^ My trip would be a level 5 or 6 ? ^

At the time of my trip the TV was switched on, I was listening to a radio station at low volume with very low lighting.. I didn't notice any sound while tripping, just the flipping of pages and compression / trance.

I Tried half the dose (0.12g) 10x salvia last night and the flipping of pages started again but only for around 5 - 10 seconds.
I was still in 'the room' but everything was turning.  I really feel the need to fight salvia and i know this is no good...
Its just a horrible experience and feeling :crazy:

I can't say I'll do salvia again, I have visited salvia land and seen enough :lol:
The moments of Joy and laughter are not worth the mentally demanding brain fuck.

I'd Recommend the experience but no more than once :thumbup:


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: chrismcq]
    #22226394 - 09/12/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Great description. .....I had similar experience. . http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22155910#22155910


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22226663 - 09/12/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Loved reading your trip report voodoochild , Hope your okay after that crazy trip !

Sounds Very similar :grin: A Terrifying experience.
The same thing almost happened to me last night (spiral / pages)
I was stupid to try salvia again, even with half the dosage it kicked my ass..

I now think - Fuck salvia..
Be careful my friend, 80x sounds like an eternity trapped in hell. 10x is already overkill.
I'll stick with my mushrooms and cannabis :lol: Got 0.6 gram left but don't know what to do with it.. I wouldn't want to give it to a friend.
I learnt nothing from salvia apart from our brains are extreme and earth isn't such a bad place to be :tongue:


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: chrismcq]
    #22226685 - 09/12/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Loved reading your trip report voodoochild , Hope your okay after that crazy trip !

Sounds Very similar :grin: A Terrifying experience.
The same thing almost happened to me last night (spiral / pages)
I was stupid to try salvia again, even with half the dosage it kicked my ass..

I now think - Fuck salvia..
Be careful my friend, 80x sounds like an eternity trapped in hell. 10x is already overkill.
I'll stick with my mushrooms and cannabis :lol: Got 0.6 gram left but don't know what to do with it.. I wouldn't want to give it to a friend.
I learnt nothing from salvia apart from our brains are extreme and earth isn't such a bad place to be :tongue:




....I learned about OD.....jeezus....:eek:


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22226707 - 09/12/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Damn straight.. There is nothing like it, Im very inexperienced in the world of drugs so had never really tripped before.

Your Quote - 'I pulled the curtains down... my buddy said he thought I was going to literally smash through the sliding glass door then I fell into the corner by the TV'..
I woke up from my trip right next to my curtain and the tv had moved, Maybe we both merged to the curtain ? Crazy man.. :eek:
I had no sitter so no idea what happened to my body while i was out.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: chrismcq]
    #22226814 - 09/12/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't seem like it but salvia does have some lessons to teach. It gave me deep new interesting insights at lower doses (ranged from leaf to 20x)


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #22227348 - 09/12/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't just write salvia off because of a bad experience.

Think of all the people who eat mushrooms and freak out then never try them again.

They miss out, of course salvia is not going to be for everyone just like shrooms.

Most people tend to misuse it to which is a big part of why so many have bad experiences IMO.

As others have said trying a small doses after some meditation in the dark night be completely different.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: musiclover420]
    #22228087 - 09/12/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Your Right :thumbup:
Its just not for me.. Its too damn extreme.

Maybe when im a bit more hardcore and grow some balls i'll give salvia another go :wink: I find it impossible to relax knowing what could be round the corner. Tried half the dose (0.12g) of x10 and the bad experience started again but faded quickly.. its like I managed to pull myself out of the trip..
as soon as i hit the bong i had that Very familiar feeling of spinning / tearing creeping up :screwed: NoNoNo! I Don't Want that shit again :lol:

By the looks of things 95% of people have a bad experience with salvia..
This may be due to mis-use but regardless there are a Lot of bad stuff and very little good, only a slight feeling of achievement / euphoria afterwards when back on earth.
Salvia seems like an -all or nothing- sort of drug and I don't like that.


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Re: My Salvia Experience - Trip Report - x10 Leaf Extract - Bad Trip... [Re: chrismcq]
    #22231105 - 09/13/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It all depends on personal taste. If I've had your trip I would love it, it sounds like the kind of salvia trip that I like. Sometimes during the experience everything that was happening to me seemed very real and got me scared. But once I was back I was impressed and had great memories, as long as I could remember much at all.


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