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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#22222358 - 09/11/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tripping is very stressful. There are two different kinds of stress, eustress and distress and most trips have at least way too much of one of them. Stress has all kinds of different effects on the mind. Sometimes it keeps people from being able to relax or fall asleep. There's more to it than that, but that's usually a factor.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: SunnyD]
#22222605 - 09/11/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude I'd stay away from benzos all together if I were you. Benzo addiction sucks and detoxing sucks even more. I'd listen to Addy and only use them as a last resort.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: James816]
#22222650 - 09/11/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some people are able to use them responsibly, you know, as a tool rather than just for the fuck of it. I have 200 mg of etizolam, and I eat it at most once per week, and only 1-2 mg at a time. I know others have more problems with self control on this stuff, and I can see why, but I think it out helps you, why not? I also don't really see what's so wrong with tripping on benzos to make it more recreational. Certainly no worse than a lot of other drugs people take for fun.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: James816]
#22222671 - 09/11/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Etizolam is king benzo. IMO. Some benzos are as good or almost as good for this.
Etizolam is so good it'll kill your ass if you abuse it for even a short time. Best for trip anxiety. Puts that anxiety to sleep at 2+ mgs, and you are free to trip as hard as you like. If you take too much, just take more fast acting etiz.
Though being on Benzos is no way to get to the heart of pure psychedelia, it can also in a weird way allow you to venture further than you could safely do otherwise. Two sides of the coin there.
Some of my best trips were massive doses using etizolam. Impossible doses of ho-mipt made possible etc! It was always insanely magical.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: drr]
#22222682 - 09/11/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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drr said: Some people are able to use them responsibly, you know, as a tool rather than just for the fuck of it. I have 200 mg of etizolam, and I eat it at most once per week, and only 1-2 mg at a time. I know others have more problems with self control on this stuff, and I can see why, but I think it out helps you, why not? I also don't really see what's so wrong with tripping on benzos to make it more recreational. Certainly no worse than a lot of other drugs people take for fun.
Yes some people can handle them Never said some people cant
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22222735 - 09/11/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can still get etizolam, certainly one of the best benzo type drugs ever, legally sent directly to your mailbox in the USA. Just hard to find a good vendor, but they are out there. For non-addicted folks it's easier to get because blister packs are readily available all over the internet. I've been addicted to it before though, and for that kind of use you can only afford massive amounts of powder for very little cash, relatively speaking. Scarily so.
Very dangerous when abused. I mean, using it every day is super fuckin deadly. Kinda like Xanax. The acute withdrawals will strike you dead without medical intervention. Kinda like a 5 year bender on a 24 case a day(of beer) would do cold turkey.
Super awesome if used responsibly though.
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Edited by rajabrokes (09/11/15 03:58 PM)
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22222762 - 09/11/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude you're over exaggerating like holy shit
I've abused etizolam and had some rebound anxiety and muscle spasms for a week at the most
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22223072 - 09/11/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quitting cold turkey can kill you if you are heavily addicted, though.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22223296 - 09/11/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: Dude you're over exaggerating like holy shit
I've abused etizolam and had some rebound anxiety and muscle spasms for a week at the most
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: Dude you're over exaggerating like holy shit
I've abused etizolam and had some rebound anxiety and muscle spasms for a week at the most
Sorry bro but that is ignorant as fuck to say that. Benzos are deadly like that. Especially short acting ones like Xanax or etizolam. Like, Holy stupid!?! Really. Ever had seizures before? There is no over stating this about the seizure potential of etizolam. You fucking morons saying shit like this. Addiction to etizolam can kill your ass. The seizure potential from actual benzo addiction is insane, buddy.
That's what I was saying. You just annoyed the shit out of me with that comment. It can kill you if you are physically addicted obviously so why talk such shit? Broke my back during an etizolam seizure. That's because when you become addicted it is "dangerous as fuck", exactly as I said before, dummy. So stop being a moron please. Benzos are incredibly dangerous, especially for people with low seizure thresholds. That DEFINITELY includes etizolam. Ok Mr. only muscle spasms? God damn.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22223320 - 09/11/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean yeah, if you're taking 20 mg a day then you're probably going to have a bad time. Isn't that a given? But I took 3-5 mg a day for almost a year which is what I'd consider an addiction and I didn't die or break my back.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22223321 - 09/11/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So profoundly irresponsible to try to negate what I was saying like that. Just wow.... "over exaggerating"? My god you suck.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22223341 - 09/11/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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and yes, the heavily addicted don't just stop at 5 mgs. They are addicted and build up a tolerance and end up in seizure territory. I thought that was a given. Don't misunderstand. I'm talking about drug abuse here. Benzo-heads take 5 mgs of etizolam just to get to sleep. Most of them wont go too far over 20 mgs in a day either. That's how close you were to seizures, basically. You took just little enough and were basically lucky. Taking that shit for a year is the definition of stupid. Prescribed or no.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22223377 - 09/11/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I mean yeah, if you're taking 20 mg a day then you're probably going to have a bad time. Isn't that a given? But I took 3-5 mg a day for almost a year which is what I'd consider an addiction and I didn't die or break my back.
I was taking around the same amount as you for just as long and I had 3 seizures trying to get off them. Benzo detox is no joke and should not be taken lightly
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: James816]
#22223430 - 09/11/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rajabrokes said: and yes, the heavily addicted don't just stop at 5 mgs. They are addicted and build up a tolerance and end up in seizure territory. I thought that was a given. Don't misunderstand. I'm talking about drug abuse here. Benzo-heads take 5 mgs of etizolam just to get to sleep. Most of them wont go too far over 20 mgs in a day either. That's how close you were to seizures, basically. You took just little enough and were basically lucky. Taking that shit for a year is the definition of stupid. Prescribed or no.
Why are you so mad?
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I mean yeah, if you're taking 20 mg a day then you're probably going to have a bad time. Isn't that a given? But I took 3-5 mg a day for almost a year which is what I'd consider an addiction and I didn't die or break my back.
I was taking around the same amount as you for just as long and I had 3 seizures trying to get off them. Benzo detox is no joke and should not be taken lightly
I guess I just got lucky
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22223452 - 09/11/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK,, but you can see why it would be irresponsible for you to post that it's not a big deal to stop benzos cold turkey on a drug forum, right? ........................
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22223464 - 09/11/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im "mad" because there are people like me and the last poster who would tend to call you ignorant, because you are. And childish for playing the internet "mad card". You don't seem too bothered by your own stupid comment either so I'm sticking it to you.
Lastly, it is especially dangerous for alcoholics or people who used to be alcoholics and somehow managed to get totally free of that poison and are still alive to talk about it. Most serious alcoholics don't drink just 12 beers a day. Kinda like if they were to take etizolam for an extended period of time. They know not to take over 25 mgs ever, or most of them do. They can wean off to 5 mgs for a while and quit and still have massive seizures. So people like you can I guess better understand where I'm coming from?
If you've ever had a seizure before, your seizure threshold is likely fucked up completely, btw. Benzos are a bad idea. Unless used with extreme caution, not for a year. Any sort of daily use, and 5 mg's a day for a year can induce seizures in lots of people if they quit cold turkey. Cold turkey at that dose is obviously more dangerous than certain people realize. As in, can be deadly. Can induce seizures.
And no I'm just here to spread better info about it, especially after your comment. 5mgs for a year is no biggie huh. I'm saying fuck no you are wrong.
"mad" lol
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: James816]
#22223479 - 09/11/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: I mean yeah, if you're taking 20 mg a day then you're probably going to have a bad time. Isn't that a given? But I took 3-5 mg a day for almost a year which is what I'd consider an addiction and I didn't die or break my back.
I was taking around the same amount as you for just as long and I had 3 seizures trying to get off them. Benzo detox is no joke and should not be taken lightly
^^^Seriously.
I personally had 4 from etizolam while trying to do the right thing and wean off. 1 of the seizures was life threatening. In reality though, depending on the person, any seizure is deadly because they might not come out of them like I tend to.
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22223578 - 09/11/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just wondering, is there a reason you say short acting benzos are more dangerous than the longer lasting ones?
I'd have assumed the opposite
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: rajabrokes]
#22223662 - 09/11/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rajabrokes said: Im "mad" because there are people like me and the last poster who would tend to call you ignorant, because you are. And childish for playing the internet "mad card". You don't seem too bothered by your own stupid comment either so I'm sticking it to you.
Lastly, it is especially dangerous for alcoholics or people who used to be alcoholics and somehow managed to get totally free of that poison and are still alive to talk about it. Most serious alcoholics don't drink just 12 beers a day. Kinda like if they were to take etizolam for an extended period of time. They know not to take over 25 mgs ever, or most of them do. They can wean off to 5 mgs for a while and quit and still have massive seizures. So people like you can I guess better understand where I'm coming from?
If you've ever had a seizure before, your seizure threshold is likely fucked up completely, btw. Benzos are a bad idea. Unless used with extreme caution, not for a year. Any sort of daily use, and 5 mg's a day for a year can induce seizures in lots of people if they quit cold turkey. Cold turkey at that dose is obviously more dangerous than certain people realize. As in, can be deadly. Can induce seizures.
And no I'm just here to spread better info about it, especially after your comment. 5mgs for a year is no biggie huh. I'm saying fuck no you are wrong.
"mad" lol
Thanks a lot bro that was really informative. But you're obviously mad bc you're insulting me. Please try and calm down. Maybe you should take some etiz?
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Re: Best benzo for bad trip anxiety? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22223714 - 09/11/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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rajabrokes said: Im "mad" because there are people like me and the last poster who would tend to call you ignorant, because you are. And childish for playing the internet "mad card". You don't seem too bothered by your own stupid comment either so I'm sticking it to you.
Lastly, it is especially dangerous for alcoholics or people who used to be alcoholics and somehow managed to get totally free of that poison and are still alive to talk about it. Most serious alcoholics don't drink just 12 beers a day. Kinda like if they were to take etizolam for an extended period of time. They know not to take over 25 mgs ever, or most of them do. They can wean off to 5 mgs for a while and quit and still have massive seizures. So people like you can I guess better understand where I'm coming from?
If you've ever had a seizure before, your seizure threshold is likely fucked up completely, btw. Benzos are a bad idea. Unless used with extreme caution, not for a year. Any sort of daily use, and 5 mg's a day for a year can induce seizures in lots of people if they quit cold turkey. Cold turkey at that dose is obviously more dangerous than certain people realize. As in, can be deadly. Can induce seizures.
And no I'm just here to spread better info about it, especially after your comment. 5mgs for a year is no biggie huh. I'm saying fuck no you are wrong.
"mad" lol
Thanks a lot bro that was really informative. But you're obviously mad bc you're insulting me. Please try and calm down. Maybe you should take some etiz?
You did something really stupid in a really dickish way. You did something really dangerous in a really stupid way. You did something really dickish in a really dangerous way.
There's more, but I'm not angry. You can do the rest. I could list things for you for hours.
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