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Offlinedevastind87
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The truth is that....
    #22211402 - 09/09/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We actually know nothing, truth is being able to see the world with naked eyes, Thus the need to search for the truth is nonexistent.


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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: devastind87]
    #22211468 - 09/09/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We can know certain truths a priori. For example, 1 + 1 = 2. Read David Hume's Dialogues and you will see that nobody actually goes around believing they know nothing. Your not going to jump out a 10 story window to see what happens because your skeptical of the truth of gravity.


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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: HardTrippin]
    #22213808 - 09/09/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

...that there is nothing to learn. Only the truth of this now moment completely accessed in love.


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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: devastind87]
    #22214177 - 09/09/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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devastind87 said:
We actually know nothing, truth is being able to see the world with naked eyes, Thus the need to search for the truth is nonexistent.






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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: devastind87] * 1
    #22214437 - 09/09/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

We do not know nothing. What we know is what we can learn through the scientific method. This is as close to "truth" as we can get. If you want to assert hard solipsism, then you cannot be refuted because it is untestable. This makes it nothing but an interesting thought experiment. Also, this probably goes to the Pub.


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: devastind87]
    #22214440 - 09/09/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: devastind87]
    #22214513 - 09/09/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

What topic?


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: devastind87]
    #22214518 - 09/09/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Leprachauns and ferries are non-existant but that hasn't stopped me from believing


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: Detached]
    #22214523 - 09/09/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Come on now, we all know leprechauns are extinct.


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22214537 - 09/09/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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<img src='http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

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lmao @ the reason


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: Niffla]
    #22214574 - 09/09/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I somewhat approve of this message.  If everyone thought this way they wouldn't go around pushing their beliefs on ifother people ie. Religious nuts and atheist douchers.  I like this because people would shut up and mind they own biznotch.

If it isn't hurting you then s.t.f.u.


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: devastind87]
    #22214647 - 09/09/15 10:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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336 said:
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LSDreamer said:
We do not know nothing. What we know is what we can learn through the scientific method. This is as close to "truth" as we can get. If you want to assert hard solipsism, then you cannot be refuted because it is untestable. This makes it nothing but an interesting thought experiment. Also, this probably goes to the Pub.



I disagree. We don't know for certain that we can learn through the scientific method. We can be pretty sure, we can bet on it, but in reality, who the fuck knows. Sure it might be true. Then again it might not be.

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<img src='http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

Reason:
:shrug:



Big fucking mistake bro. This topic is going to go straight down the tubes now.





Well, kinda like I said, the only alternative to accepting the scientific method as determining what is pretty much hard solipsism, and what the fuck good does hard solipsism accomplish?

Here is the scientific method:

1. I have a question!1
2. What do we already know about that question?
3. Here is a potential answer to that question based on what is already known.
4. Think up a way to test whether or not that answer is true.
5. Do that thing.
6. Do that thing again.
7. The answer is true or false.
8. Repeat steps 5-7 until statistics say it's almost we're as sure it's correct as we're gonna get.

Do you have a better way of testing reality? How else would you do it? You've got a question, then you go and test reality until statistics says what's true. Empiricism.

Asserting that doesn't get us to 100% certainty is technically true, but also practically useless.


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: LSDreamer] * 1
    #22214653 - 09/09/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: GoblinKing]
    #22214661 - 09/09/15 10:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:mindblown:

Answer is always 42.


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: devastind87]
    #22214740 - 09/09/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are we clowning HatingMelsEasier?

I still wish I could fathom his genius.


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: wigglewak]
    #22214779 - 09/09/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

HME's genuineness is unfathomable to most of us :shrug:

I haven't checked in on any of his threads lately :sad:


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    #22214788 - 09/09/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

336 said:
Quote:

LSDreamer said:
Well, kinda like I said, the only alternative to accepting the scientific method as determining what is pretty much hard solipsism, and what the fuck good does hard solipsism accomplish?

Here is the scientific method:

1. I have a question!1
2. What do we already know about that question?
3. Here is a potential answer to that question based on what is already known.
4. Think up a way to test whether or not that answer is true.
5. Do that thing.
6. Do that thing again.
7. The answer is true or false.
8. Repeat steps 5-7 until statistics say it's almost we're as sure it's correct as we're gonna get.

Do you have a better way of testing reality? How else would you do it? You've got a question, then you go and test reality until statistics says what's true. Empiricism.

Asserting that doesn't get us to 100% certainty is technically true, but also practically useless.




Trust me I totally see the usefulness in the scientific method. That said science itself has said that it has no fucking idea (quantum physics/mechanics) My brother and I have spent countless hours over the years both tripping on psychs or weed or sober and we basically finally agreed that the nature of reality is unknown and that the best we can get is an educated guess. But just as quantum mechanics talks about superposition the building blocks of reality are popping in an out of existence constantly.

All we can do if record a relative trend which in a proposed universal time scale is like slowing the perspective of a moving bullet down to the point where it appears completely still and claiming because it continues to appear still after several secs/mins that it must be an object that is not moving.




"I don't know" is a perfectly fine answer. It means there's more to discover. The Standard Model is the most successful model of physics and, thus, reality EVER. It is just jaw droppingly, brain meltingly, astonishingly accurate. And yet there are things we already know for a fact exist that it does not account for. Know what that means? NEW PHYSICS! FUCK YES! Scientists LOVE not knowing!


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: LSDreamer]
    #22214841 - 09/09/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't the scientific method based off trying to disprove things?  Find a constant, try what you can think of to disprove it, if you can't find anything that works it becomes 'today's law'..?


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Re: The truth is that.... (moved) [Re: Amanita86]
    #22214872 - 09/09/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Isn't the scientific method based off trying to disprove things?  Find a constant, try what you can think of to disprove it, if you can't find anything that works it becomes 'today's law'..?




Well, yes. The null (standard) hypothesis is that whatever you're proposing is false. An effect is considered significant when the null hypothesis is disproved.

Then, that result should be attempted to be disproved every which way.


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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: devastind87]
    #22215517 - 09/10/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think some of you missed the point, maybe even he did too.

The OP basically states the knowledge is not inherent, that truth is life without bias and that a lust for it is meaningless because it will find us if we let it. Life without bias is the basic, searching for something we already are is pointless when the solution is to rid ourselves of what blinds us.

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devastind87 said:
We actually know nothing, truth is being able to see the world with naked eyes, Thus the need to search for the truth is nonexistent.



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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: devastind87]
    #22215519 - 09/10/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The truth is:

Mindfully, Inhale. Mindfully, Exhale.


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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: Moonshoe]
    #22215528 - 09/10/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you thinking what I'm not thinking? :smirk:


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Re: The truth is that.... [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22215609 - 09/10/15 05:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The truth is.
I think that's what is meant by accessable in the moment.
Not that we know knothing, but that we can see the world with new eyes, innocent eyes still willing and egar to learn


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