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OfflineCount of Sabugosa
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268246 - 09/21/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

More than Bush and President Cheney? Hardly see it that way...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268314 - 09/21/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Hyuk Hyuk, I don't have any point to make, but you're dumb! If you want an argument please refer to the emoticons of uncontrollable laughter.




As I said, there is no equivalency. Dems do not do the same kind of clown shit Republicans do. Like inviting Netanyahu, or inserting legislation against the presidents signature accomplishment, which we elected him to accomplish, Healthcare reform (we even call it Obamacare), into a budget bill, and then blaming him for shutting down the government. Dems don't do that kind of belligerent shit. If you disagree, make your case.

Obama is continuously reaching across the aisle. He is very often criticized for being a pushover because he does it so much. Not a single Liberal on these forums is much of a fan, because Obama has governed like a neocon. He even continued most of Bush's horrible policies in an effort to remain bipartisan.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268354 - 09/21/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:

The disdain is the fact that they're here when in fact they should be in their homelands. It's nothing personal, it's called maintaining a country's sovereignty.




You are by far, but by far, very, very far off in your definition of country's soverignty, even though control of illegal immigration is part of the political realm, in international relations, of domestic management.

So, first, just to be clear, this is NOT and never WILL BE  an issue of country sovereignty.

About disdain, I don't think it was something that needed to be said. The tone is not rational when referring to people who are here illegally. It is a feeling that you are allowed to have, by the way, and at least I grant you that it has no relevance in the technicalities of any debate, but it does show intent and origin of thought. I don't understand why it is so easy to express disdain for a political idea, but not for the people involved in it. I prefer honesty.

Also, about "once they become legal." This is how immigration works, actually. You are illegally in the country and, depending on personal conditions, you get your visa and/or green card. I was not talking about amnesty, but about the regular process of naturalization.






When someone is in the US illegally, they are suppose to be deported, when Trump gets elected the process will start in full force.

"get your visa and/or green card"

They can apply for one when they are returned to their homelands.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268356 - 09/21/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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royque1980 said:
More than Bush and President Cheney? Hardly see it that way...




Ah, so you were trolling.

Well, you got me. Which is a relief because otherwise you come across as a fool.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22268361 - 09/21/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Hyuk Hyuk, I don't have any point to make, but you're dumb! If you want an argument please refer to the emoticons of uncontrollable laughter.




As I said, there is no equivalency. Dems do not do the same kind of clown shit Republicans do. Like inviting Netanyahu, or inserting legislation against the presidents signature accomplishment, which we elected him to accomplish, Healthcare reform (we even call it Obamacare), into a budget bill, and then blaming him for shutting down the government. Dems don't do that kind of belligerent shit. If you disagree, make your case.

Obama is continuously reaching across the aisle. He is very often criticized for being a pushover because he does it so much. Not a single Liberal on these forums is much of a fan, because Obama has governed like a neocon. He even continued most of Bush's horrible policies in an effort to remain bipartisan.




:lolsy:

Good one (or more). Perhaps comedy is for you after all.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268368 - 09/21/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The GOP has shot down a number of bipartisan bills for apparently no other reason than to make Obama look incompetent.

Then when Obama started pushing executive authority to get shit done they cried about overreach.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22268549 - 09/21/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So, business as usual. For both parties. How about you come up with something that only one party has ever done?

Obama is incompetent. So are most of the buffoons we elect.

He has over-reached. We're not some banana republic or dictatorship where a Dear Leader guides us on his chosen path.

Watching the reflex kick in for liberals to defend anyone not *gasp* conservative is, as always... priceless. As priceless as the reverse.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268701 - 09/21/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

No trolling. You stated something in regards to Obama, and then I replied that your "rare" "my way or the highway" is much better exemplified in President Cheney (Puppeteer of Bush Jr.).

I am pretty sure that if I come off as a fool to you, my intelligence has been proved well focused and functional.

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qman said:

When someone is in the US illegally, they are suppose to be deported, when Trump gets elected the process will start in full force.




No, he won't. Not because he doesn't want to, but because he would not be able to do it. In any case, that is as best an assessment as I could make of it.

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"get your visa and/or green card"

They can apply for one when they are returned to their homelands.




This is not how all immigration procedures work. Sir, have you seen the laws regarding immigration AT ALL? Please, if one already doesn't clearly understand the meaning of "Nation-State Sovereignty," and now you show you REALLY don't understand the issue you are spouting on and about, please, at least come back with SOME facts and let luvdemshrooms do the same, I beg ya.

It would be nice if you checked this source and made a couple of phone calls.

http://www.uscis.gov/

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The GOP has shot down a number of bipartisan bills for apparently no other reason than to make Obama look incompetent.

Then when Obama started pushing executive authority to get shit done they cried about overreach.





:whathesaid:


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268762 - 09/21/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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No trolling. You stated something in regards to Obama, and then I replied that your "rare" "my way or the highway" is much better exemplified in President Cheney




So yes, trolling it was.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268792 - 09/21/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yup... Just as when conservatives say: Trump will deport everyone illegally located in the US. You make up your mind that something is "x" and there you go, the Flinstons and the dinossaurs meet again!

:rockon:


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268819 - 09/21/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As Trump is unlikely to be elected, who cares what he says?

Self deportation FTW.

And if I ever go full conservative, what 'they' say might matter. Until then I'll continue in the middle. You know, choosing the best parts of both platforms, but choosing right and wrong over any platform.

You should try it.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268830 - 09/21/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It is what I have been doing all my adult life as a voter, and all my professional life as a political scientist and international relations MA.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268845 - 09/21/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It is what I have been doing all my adult life as a voter




Then why not display that here?


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, and all my professional life as a political scientist and international relations MA.




Good for you sparky.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268860 - 09/21/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

royque1980 said:
No trolling. You stated something in regards to Obama, and then I replied that your "rare" "my way or the highway" is much better exemplified in President Cheney (Puppeteer of Bush Jr.).

I am pretty sure that if I come off as a fool to you, my intelligence has been proved well focused and functional.

Quote:

qman said:

When someone is in the US illegally, they are suppose to be deported, when Trump gets elected the process will start in full force.




No, he won't. Not because he doesn't want to, but because he would not be able to do it. In any case, that is as best an assessment as I could make of it.

Quote:

"get your visa and/or green card"

They can apply for one when they are returned to their homelands.




This is not how all immigration procedures work. Sir, have you seen the laws regarding immigration AT ALL? Please, if one already doesn't clearly understand the meaning of "Nation-State Sovereignty," and now you show you REALLY don't understand the issue you are spouting on and about, please, at least come back with SOME facts and let luvdemshrooms do the same, I beg ya.

It would be nice if you checked this source and made a couple of phone calls.

http://www.uscis.gov/







"he would not be able to do it (deport illegals)

It's really not that hard, you find them and then deport them, end of story.

You don't get it, it's not about a path to citizenship, it's about deporting people that entered the US ILLEGALLY!!


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22268872 - 09/21/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That's really your fallback position?

Because it's illegal!!


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22268873 - 09/21/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Dems don't do that kind of belligerent shit. If you disagree, make your case.




:lolsy:

Good one (or more). Perhaps comedy is for you after all.



You can't make your case?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22268877 - 09/21/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Please, qman, especially when saying: "It's really not that hard." Call a GOP or DEM representative and ask if it is truly as simple as Trump is making you think it is.

About "it is not about a path to citizenship"... Again, try to learn the issue before spouting whatever. It is ALWAYS about a path to citizenship. By the way, what are the hard facts that makes this issue so concerning to you?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268882 - 09/21/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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royque1980 said:
The Donald, The Trump, the "is this my real hair, or what? Feel that sucker!" phenomenon is a reality (show). Do you think that his poll rates indicate a certain deviation from the GOP original values?


How do you see his ratings in terms of its significance toward GOP potential voters? Is this a sign of demise or simple revolt? Is this a sign of really "just being tired with politics as usual" (a magical thinking toward the harsh reality that business as usual is what will happen and always has)?




Trump's platform in a nutshell.



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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22268904 - 09/21/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Bigbadwooof said:
Dems don't do that kind of belligerent shit. If you disagree, make your case.




:lolsy:

Good one (or more). Perhaps comedy is for you after all.



You can't make your case?





Don't need to.

There is nothing that R's have done that D's haven't... and vice versa.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22268930 - 09/21/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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royque1980 said:
Please, qman, especially when saying: "It's really not that hard." Call a GOP or DEM representative and ask if it is truly as simple as Trump is making you think it is.

About "it is not about a path to citizenship"... Again, try to learn the issue before spouting whatever. It is ALWAYS about a path to citizenship. By the way, what are the hard facts that makes this issue so concerning to you?




Why would I call a GOP or DEM representative about the issue? You do realize that both parties are bought and paid for on this issue?  Remember Eric Cantor? 

"It is ALWAYS about a path to citizenship"

Not anymore, it's now about a path to their homelands!!

"this issue so concerning to you"

Well, since we have over 50 million working eligible US citizens not working and we have 30 million illegals taking their jobs, we all should be concerned.

BTW, illegals use 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, that's unacceptable for any US citizen. 

We already have too many poor people in the US that need jobs and social services, illegals hurt the disadvantaged in the US, do you even care about your fellow American?


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