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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22265057 - 09/20/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Everyone had access to healthcare before as well, please tell us what's better about higher deductibles and higher co-pays with higher premiums?

Did you think he actually made good on his promises? Because even most liberals are highly disappointed in the end result.




I am highly disappointed, yes. However, healthcare is easily accessible for everyone in this country now, and before the ACA it wasn't. He also fixed many issues within the industry such as the 'pre-existing condition' copout that insurance companies used to use. So no, I'm not thrilled with it, I almost wish he hadn't even done it, because it would still be a key bipartisan issue. However, I think he did make good on his promise. He did the least he was obliged to do.




My feelings as well. Worst part is now it will take a miracle to bring single payer to the forefront of discussion anytime soon. For most of the country, healthcare is either fixed, or needs to go back to the old system.




We could have single payer if it weren't for Republican obstructionism. I watched an interview with a man who was an R. Senator when Obama took office (I forget which one), and he said that Republicans were actually instruct to fight Obama on everything, whether it was good or bad. They've obviously been doing this for years, which is why congress hasn't gotten shit done. Too bad Obama wasn't a white dude.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22265067 - 09/20/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm all for single payer as long as that payer is not paying from my tax dollars.  If it's some dude in Chile, that's fine by me.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22265099 - 09/20/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm all for single payer as long as that payer is not paying from my tax dollars.  If it's some dude in Chile, that's fine by me.




I think we can all agree that having Chile pay our healthcare bill would be nice.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22265116 - 09/20/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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We could have single payer if it weren't for Republican obstructionism.




Then it's fortunate they were around.


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I watched an interview with a man who was an R. Senator when Obama took office (I forget which one), and he said that Republicans were actually instruct to fight Obama on everything, whether it was good or bad.




So in other words, business as usual for both parties. The less they do, the less we get fucked. Next best, if Congress is held by one party... a President from the other party.


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They've obviously been doing this for years, which is why congress hasn't gotten shit done.




A divided Congress is the best Congress.


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Too bad Obama wasn't a white dude.




Wouldn't have mattered. Incompetence, partisanship and dishonesty would have put the squeeze on any President, much less the asshole we have now. If anything, he's probably gotten away with more than a white would have.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22265301 - 09/20/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Too bad Obama wasn't a white dude.





Really? Were you around for the Clinton years? This whole argument of "they don't like Obama cause he's (half) black" is so retarded, and here I thought you actually might be smarter than most libs...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22265320 - 09/20/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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We could have single payer if it weren't for Republican obstructionism.




Then it's fortunate they were around.




And why is that? It is a matter of fact that a single payer system is the most functional and affordable system a we could have.

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I watched an interview with a man who was an R. Senator when Obama took office (I forget which one), and he said that Republicans were actually instruct to fight Obama on everything, whether it was good or bad.




So in other words, business as usual for both parties. The less they do, the less we get fucked. Next best, if Congress is held by one party... a President from the other party.


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They've obviously been doing this for years, which is why congress hasn't gotten shit done.




A divided Congress is the best Congress.




The government actually has things that have to get done, like approving the budget for instance. In the midst of their bickering and grandstanding they shut down the fucking government.

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Too bad Obama wasn't a white dude.




Wouldn't have mattered. Incompetence, partisanship and dishonesty would have put the squeeze on any President, much less the asshole we have now. If anything, he's probably gotten away with more than a white would have.




Obama was hardly partisan lmao!


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22265339 - 09/20/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Too bad Obama wasn't a white dude.





Really? Were you around for the Clinton years? This whole argument of "they don't like Obama cause he's (half) black" is so retarded, and here I thought you actually might be smarter than most libs...




Lol. No, I'm the dumbass who thinks asking obama for his birth certificate for 5+ years and calling him a muslim terrorist was because he is black.

Mind you, nobody is asking Ted Cruz for his fucking birth certificate.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22265369 - 09/20/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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obama for his birth certificate for 5+ years and calling him a muslim terrorist was b




Well, as matter fact, he still hasn't produced one... And why hasn't he released his college transcripts as well?

And as far as being Muslim goes, surely his actions speak louder than words...

Like Obama, I too have been around Muslims quite a bit, spent time in Indonesia, they're good folks mostly, but to dismiss the very real threat that is Islamic terrorism is idiotic and foolhardy, IMO....

Edit: actually, there's quite a few cons who feel Cruz can't run, I'm not one of them of course, if Obama can, certainly Cruz can...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22265416 - 09/20/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Obama released a birth certificate years ago:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Why should he release his college transcripts?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22265471 - 09/20/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama released a birth certificate years ago:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Why should he release his college transcripts?




Because birthers turned an April Fool's joke into another Obama conspiracy.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22265553 - 09/20/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama released a birth certificate years ago:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Why should he release his college transcripts?




Because birthers turned an April Fool's joke into another Obama conspiracy.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp




Proof that sometimes people who stand for something (Libertarianism) will fall for anything.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22265784 - 09/20/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Libertarianism is a fucking joke.

It's the agnosticism of politics. Too chicken shit to say anarchist (atheist), so they attach a more mild, vague label to avoid criticism.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22266005 - 09/20/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama released a birth certificate years ago:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Why should he release his college transcripts?




Actually. He released a "certificate of live birth" there's a difference...

And why wouldn't he release his college transcripts? What's he scared of?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22266012 - 09/20/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The only difference is the name, and that varies from state to state. 

Why don't you post your college transcript?  What are you scared of?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22266031 - 09/20/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The only difference is the name, and that varies from state to state. 

Why don't you post your college transcript?  What are you scared of?




Are you personally attacking me? I didn't go to college, I make six figures within that bulllshit...

And why won't Obama release his, what could possibly be there? Maybe it's because he lied on his admissions? The fact you support this "liar in chief" says volumes....


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22266034 - 09/20/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He is scared the truth will come out. No gop or conservative could get away with the crap obumble has. There are people walking around now who saw and heard what went on back then but the msm isn't interested. Neither does the gop seem interested which exposes the behind the scenes collusion.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22266041 - 09/20/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why didn't Bush release his college transcripts?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22266044 - 09/20/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you personally attacking me? I didn't go to college, I make six figures within that bulllshit...

And why won't Obama release his, what could possibly be there? Maybe it's because he lied on his admissions? The fact you support this "liar in chief" says volumes....



Stop crying. 

Why should he release his transcripts.  It's not your business what grades he got.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22266047 - 09/20/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Why didn't Bush release his college transcripts?




Really? Back to Bush? My god you libs need a new fall guy...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22266053 - 09/20/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you personally attacking me? I didn't go to college, I make six figures within that bulllshit...

And why won't Obama release his, what could possibly be there? Maybe it's because he lied on his admissions? The fact you support this "liar in chief" says volumes....



Stop crying. 

Why should he release his transcripts.  It's not your business what grades he got.




No crying here, as the leader of the free world, yeah, I'd think it's kinda important... Me? I'm just a dumb oilfield worker, making more sense than your president ever will...


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