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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Wrong. I'm the one saying there should be political spending limits.
Which we argued over for a good fucking month or two lmao. I think mine and your positions on that subject ought to be abundantly clear.
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Stonehenge said: My solution as always is to do away with legalized bribery. Stop that in all its forms and no more votes will be bought. There will still be log rolling, vote trading but not outright selling of votes. Big money will no longer rule the day.
If that was your solution you'd be a Sanders guy. He is trying to make campaigns publicly funded.
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Stonehenge said: My solution as always is to do away with legalized bribery. Stop that in all its forms and no more votes will be bought. There will still be log rolling, vote trading but not outright selling of votes. Big money will no longer rule the day.
If that was your solution you'd be a Sanders guy. He is trying to make campaigns publicly funded.
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qman said: When Obama promised access to health care for everyone, who claimed it was impossible? Not many. Now that we know Obama's promises never materialized, he is a "pathetic liar"?
Are you saying you're upset that illegal immigrants didn't get coverage? If not, what are you upset didn't happen???
Yeah, I cry myself to sleep every night stressing on how illegal immigrants don't get enough freebies. 
Are you suggesting that Obama made good of his health care promises? Because we all can see he didn't.
You have an impressive level of disdain for immigrants.
Obama did make good on his promise. Just not as good as we would have liked. Everyone does have access to healthcare.
Everyone had access to healthcare before as well, please tell us what's better about higher deductibles and higher co-pays with higher premiums?
Did you think he actually made good on his promises? Because even most liberals are highly disappointed in the end result.
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>"Affordable".
Lets not forget "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" "we will not prosecute medical mj users" and many other falsehoods.
Someone should do a biography and call it "lies my president told me"
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
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qman said: Everyone had access to healthcare before as well, please tell us what's better about higher deductibles and higher co-pays with higher premiums?
Did you think he actually made good on his promises? Because even most liberals are highly disappointed in the end result.
You can still pick your deductible. A higher deductible at a more affordable rate is still better than no insurance.
And the rate increases have slowed since Obamacare passed.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
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qman said: Everyone had access to healthcare before as well, please tell us what's better about higher deductibles and higher co-pays with higher premiums?
Did you think he actually made good on his promises? Because even most liberals are highly disappointed in the end result.
I am highly disappointed, yes. However, healthcare is easily accessible for everyone in this country now, and before the ACA it wasn't. He also fixed many issues within the industry such as the 'pre-existing condition' copout that insurance companies used to use. So no, I'm not thrilled with it, I almost wish he hadn't even done it, because it would still be a key bipartisan issue. However, I think he did make good on his promise. He did the least he was obliged to do.
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Exactly. A lot more good came out of it than bad, unfortunately, it's more about what the insurance industry wanted than what the people wanted (single payer).
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If that was your solution you'd be a Sanders guy. He is trying to make campaigns publicly funded.
That's laughable, BS is the biggest vote buyer there is, what else would you call "vote for me and look at all the free stuff you get!"
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Obama did make good on his promise. Just not as good as we would have liked. Everyone does have access to healthcare
And everyone already did before Obamacare, difference was you got to pick your doctor and pick a plan that was right for you, Obamacare was a sellout to the insurance companies, promising so many new enrollees...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: A lot more good came out of it than bad, unfortunately, it's more about what the insurance industry wanted than what the people wanted (single payer).
What good came out of it besides the fact that some with preexisting illnesses get a cheaper rate that the rest of us must pay for? Insurance was available to all, just not at the price some wanted to pay. Since obumble care came out, ins costs have shot up to the sky. Wasn't it obumble that said it would become cheaper? I guess in Kenya cheaper means more expensive.
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If that was your solution you'd be a Sanders guy. He is trying to make campaigns publicly funded.
That's laughable, BS is the biggest vote buyer there is, what else would you call "vote for me and look at all the free stuff you get!"
That's a terrible misrepresentation of a great man. Bernie stands for a lot more than 'Free Stuff'. He was one of the leaders against the NSA, the war in Iraq, he stood up against the TPP and other trade deals, he's environmentally conscious (something you may not care about, but most of the country does), etc. Bernie cannot be summed up in such small minded, simple terms.
He has stood up against the federal reserve and the bailouts. He's been pro-choice and gay marriage for some 30 fuckin years (Back when Hillary was against gay marriage), which are attitudes most of the country shares. He wants to shut down privatized prisons, and put forth legislation to reduce the incidence of rape in prison. The ethical caliber of a society should be measured not by how they treat their most privileged, but how they treat their prisoners, afterall. Bernie was against torture in Guantanamo, and he is against illegal immigration.
You may not like all of these things, but many many people do. They are legitimate positions that span far beyond 'free shit'. We have a healthcare crisis in this country that can be mitigated by a single payer system, and this is a matter of fact, not speculation. We have an education debt crisis occurring in this country and he wants to do something about it. We have a prison overpopulation epidemic in this country and he wants to do something about it. Our infrastructure is falling apart, and he has a plan to do something about it.
What the fuck are your jackoff Wall Street whores planning to do about anything? 'Build a wall and keep those fuckin spics out'... What a bunch of small minded fucking garbage for the swath of uneducated intellectual midgets in this country.
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Obama did make good on his promise. Just not as good as we would have liked. Everyone does have access to healthcare
And everyone already did before Obamacare, difference was you got to pick your doctor and pick a plan that was right for you, Obamacare was a sellout to the insurance companies, promising so many new enrollees...
I get to pick my doctor. I've never had an issue with any of this, though I've heard people do. What is the issue, you don't get to pick your doctor if you're on free government healthcare? I honestly don't know, because I've never had any problems.
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Bigbadwooof said: If that was your solution you'd be a Sanders guy. He is trying to make campaigns publicly funded.
That's laughable, BS is the biggest vote buyer there is, what else would you call "vote for me and look at all the free stuff you get!"
Please tell us about this "free stuff" you seem to be warning us against? 
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Bigbadwooof said: Everyone does have access to healthcare
And everyone already did before Obamacare, difference was you got to pick your doctor and pick a plan that was right for you, Obamacare was a sellout to the insurance companies, promising so many new enrollees...
I get to pick my doctor. I've never had an issue with any of this, though I've heard people do. What is the issue, you don't get to pick your doctor if you're on free government healthcare? I honestly don't know, because I've never had any problems.
I can still pick my doctor. The difference is you can't pick a shitty plan anymore, and if you can't afford insurance, you'll get help paying for it.
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qman said: Everyone had access to healthcare before as well, please tell us what's better about higher deductibles and higher co-pays with higher premiums?
Did you think he actually made good on his promises? Because even most liberals are highly disappointed in the end result.
A higher deductible at a more affordable rate is still better than no insurance.
A higher deductible still makes health care un-affordable for most people, most people can NOT afford the first $5000 for health care services, so for the most part they are paying premiums for something they can't use, is there any wonder why the health insurance companies are making super duper profits.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
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qman said: A higher deductible still makes health care un-affordable for most people, most people can NOT afford the first $5000 for health care services, so for the most part they are paying premiums for something they can't use, is there any wonder why the health insurance companies are making super duper profits.
When people have an emergency, they see a doctor. A large deductible is FAR more affordable than paying the entire emergency room cost.
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Bigbadwooof said: You have an impressive level of disdain for immigrants.
Do you think it makes you appear clever to leave the word 'illegal' out of that sentence?
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Why, disdain for "illegal" immigrants is ok? So, once they become legal, what happens to the disdain? Allocated? Just admit: Yes, you are right, I have disdain for immigrants (which, in this scenario, can only be illegal).
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Why? Because it attributes a sentiment that was not expressed.
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royque1980 said: Why, disdain for "illegal" immigrants is ok? So, once they become legal, what happens to the disdain? Allocated? Just admit: Yes, you are right, I have disdain for immigrants (which, in this scenario, can only be illegal).
"disdain for "illegal" immigrants is ok?"
The disdain is the fact that they're here when in fact they should be in their homelands. It's nothing personal, it's called maintaining a country's sovereignty.
"once they become legal"
Not a chance in hell, the cat is out the bag on this policy.
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I have distain for criminals, particularly the violent type. I also despise thieves and swindlers. Does that mean I'm prejudiced? Damn right and anyone with half a brain in their head does the same thing.
Its amazing how propaganda can make people embrace things that keep them down. They don't connect the fact they can't get a decent job with illegals, they simply follow the bs the media shovels out and ask for more immigrants so they will be pushed even farther down the ladder.
Soon as we get that flaming jackass out of office we can start to fix things. Even though the moonbats will oppose every step of the way and then enjoy the fruits of the policies they fought against.
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qman said: Everyone had access to healthcare before as well, please tell us what's better about higher deductibles and higher co-pays with higher premiums?
Did you think he actually made good on his promises? Because even most liberals are highly disappointed in the end result.
I am highly disappointed, yes. However, healthcare is easily accessible for everyone in this country now, and before the ACA it wasn't. He also fixed many issues within the industry such as the 'pre-existing condition' copout that insurance companies used to use. So no, I'm not thrilled with it, I almost wish he hadn't even done it, because it would still be a key bipartisan issue. However, I think he did make good on his promise. He did the least he was obliged to do.
My feelings as well. Worst part is now it will take a miracle to bring single payer to the forefront of discussion anytime soon. For most of the country, healthcare is either fixed, or needs to go back to the old system.
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Stonehenge said: I have distain for criminals, particularly the violent type. I also despise thieves and swindlers. Does that mean I'm prejudiced? Damn right and anyone with half a brain in their head does the same thing.
Its amazing how propaganda can make people embrace things that keep them down. They don't connect the fact they can't get a decent job with illegals, they simply follow the bs the media shovels out and ask for more immigrants so they will be pushed even farther down the ladder.
Soon as we get that flaming jackass out of office we can start to fix things. Even though the moonbats will oppose every step of the way and then enjoy the fruits of the policies they fought against.
A lot of these misinformed people try comparing the legal immigration we had 100 years ago to today as an argument, that's how insane their line of reasoning has become, if they can't see the huge difference between the times I feel very sorry for them.
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