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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22485497 - 11/06/15 10:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh! So our main concern is that they don't make immigration-related crimes! Got it. Nothing to do with rape, murder and theft indexes, or taxes for that matter, and it's only related to immigration laws!


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22485552 - 11/06/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The fact that anyone's seriously considering trump is bizarre. I can't wrap my head around how anyone could think a out of touch billionaire would ever have the middle class's interests in mind.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22485565 - 11/06/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Remember people liked Bush because the media pandered us with the idea that "he's a guy you can have a drink with?"

I think they are now looking at some sort of despotism, or at least that seems to be part of many people when it comes to goverment, as it is happening in so many countries, like Egypt and Brazil.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22485578 - 11/06/15 11:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh! So our main concern is that they don't make immigration-related crimes! Got it. Nothing to do with rape, murder and theft indexes, or taxes for that matter, and it's only related to immigration laws!




We do enforce our domestic criminal laws, so I don't know what your concern is on criminality.

We don't enforce our immigration laws, that is my concern. Which makes the high crime rates of illegals and their families completely unacceptable to the vast majority of US citizens.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22485591 - 11/06/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The fact that anyone's seriously considering trump is bizarre. I can't wrap my head around how anyone could think a out of touch billionaire would ever have the middle class's interests in mind.




Have you listened to his speeches and policy proposals? Then you will understand why he has unprecedented support.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22485601 - 11/06/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You linked a video of it earlier in this thread.  I can walk out of my house any day and enjoy the rich latino culture around me.

I pity you that you see it as a negative.




"the rich latino culture"

Does that include the young girls pushing the baby stroller with her 2 other children that her and the other fathers can't afford?




Do you mean white American trash women? Incest-pregnant American white trash? Yeah... that IS a shame...




If they're US citizens and not breaking any immigration laws, so be it.  Sounds like you have a hatred of "white American trash women".




Honestly, I do loathe that evangelical inbred white trash that will blindly follow ridiculous traditions right off a cliff. They have all kinds of American opportunity, and they squander it, and also faithfully vote Republican. There really is nothing redeamable about this culture. They are the fools that will charge into any war over anything, and their hatred can be summoned against any group of people who are in any way, shape, or form different than them. They think Sarah Palin is a great thinker of our time.

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I don't have a problem with government redistributing wealth.  I have a problem with government using taxes to do it a la robin hood.




I wonder how else you propose wealth be redistributed? I think, in America's case, the Robinhood analogy is an inverse reflection of reality.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22485614 - 11/06/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Official stats as per google new:

LAS VEGAS- Each year 6,000 killers get away with murder in America. That's according to a study of FBI records. The study found the rate of solved homicides since 1980 nationwide is 63%.

As per general polls average:
Today, the national "clearance rate" for murders, which means the case ends in an arrest, is 64.1%. Five decades ago, it was above 90%.

This statistic means that 200,000 murders have gone unsolved since 1960, NPR noted.

Not mentioning, of course, theft, rape, and other crimes, such as hit and runs and even tax evasion.

So... Come again?

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lI don't have a problem with government redistributing wealth.  I have a problem with government using taxes to do it a la robin hood.
Honestly, I do loathe that evangelical inbred white trash that will blindly follow ridiculous traditions right off a cliff. They have all kinds of American opportunity, and they squander it, and also faithfully vote Republican. There really is nothing redeamable about this culture.




I wonder how else you propose wealth be redistributed? I think, in America's case, the Robinhood analogy is an inverse reflection of reality.





Good question, indeed. A la Robin Hood I think means the radical Soviet way of "redistribution."

I remember a friend and economics analyst saying that the intention of "redestribuition" is to make everyone rich. His proposal: Everyone needs to be rich...

Is there a middle ground from which to start working?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22485659 - 11/06/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Official stats as per google new:

LAS VEGAS- Each year 6,000 killers get away with murder in America. That's according to a study of FBI records. The study found the rate of solved homicides since 1980 nationwide is 63%.

As per general polls average:
Today, the national "clearance rate" for murders, which means the case ends in an arrest, is 64.1%. Five decades ago, it was above 90%.

This statistic means that 200,000 murders have gone unsolved since 1960, NPR noted.

Not mentioning, of course, theft, rape, and other crimes, such as hit and runs and even tax evasion.

So... Come again?




Do you have a point?  I don't see it. :shrug: 

Unless you're suggesting law enforcement is deliberately not enforcing domestic laws (murder, rape, theft) which would make you a conspiracy nutcase.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22485697 - 11/06/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The fact that anyone's seriously considering trump is bizarre. I can't wrap my head around how anyone could think a out of touch billionaire would ever have the middle class's interests in mind.




Have you listened to his speeches and policy proposals? Then you will understand why he has unprecedented support.




Have the American people really forgotten Obamas failed promises that quickly? Or every politician before him for that matter?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22485698 - 11/06/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If they're US citizens and not breaking any immigration laws, so be it.  Sounds like you have a hatred of "white American trash women".




Because of the first sentence you stated, to anwer it clearly.

The display of hatred is to show how your words look when speaking of pretty much anything that does not meet your societal preconceptions.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22485718 - 11/06/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The fact that anyone's seriously considering trump is bizarre. I can't wrap my head around how anyone could think a out of touch billionaire would ever have the middle class's interests in mind.




Have you listened to his speeches and policy proposals? Then you will understand why he has unprecedented support.




Have the American people really forgotten Obamas failed promises that quickly? Or every politician before him for that matter?




Firstly... he doesn't have 'unprecedented support'. Roosevelt had 'unprecedented support'. Kennedy had 'unprecedented support'. Trump isn't even leading his party. He's a fucking jackoff loser.

His policy proposals are goofy as fuck, and he's not a serious person.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22485845 - 11/06/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My point is that more than half of Americans are a net drain.



Illegals live in "households" too, dip

Are these illegals "American" to you?

Why do I have to explain everything to libs?



I'm going to try to explain this to you in a simple way to help you understand.

My claim:

Most Americans are a net drain.


I posted a link to an article about a study wherein they found that 60% of households in America pay less in taxes than they cost taxpayers.  This supports my claim.  It supports my claim whether or not those households include undocumented immigrants because undocumented immigrants are less than 4% of the population.  Therefore, even if every single undocumented immigrant were in this category, and we subtracted all of them, it wouldn't be enough to make the percentage drop below 50%.



Actually, your claim was that 60% of Americans are a net drain then you posted a link to "Households" net drain which includes illegals-

So according to you, Americans include illegals. In your other words "Illegals are American" Good job lib



Burgerbrain, you seem to think that you win an argument if you call someone a "lib", a "socialist" or some other name (failcon).  And perhaps that tactic actually works for you, Shroom Detective, and the really simple minded, but most people here would rather discuss the facts.

The irony of your post is that Enlil already explained IN THE VERY STATEMENT YOU QUOTED that even if undocumented aliens were included in the 60% number of people who are a tax drain, they make up only 4% of the total population, meaning 56% of Americans citizens/permanent residents are getting more in benefits than they pay in, proving his original point that "more than half of Americans are a net drain" - even when you DON'T count undocumented workers.

Get it???  I know you don't, but thought I'd point out the error in your argument nonetheless.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22485857 - 11/06/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

but...libtard socialist...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22485894 - 11/06/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Burgerbrain, you seem to think that you win an argument if you call someone a "lib", a "socialist" or some other name (failcon).  And perhaps that tactic actually works for you, Shroom Detective, and the really simple minded, but most people here would rather discuss the facts.

The irony of your post is that Enlil already explained IN THE VERY STATEMENT YOU QUOTED that even if undocumented aliens were included in the 60% number of people who are a tax drain, they make up only 4% of the total population, meaning 56% of Americans citizens/permanent residents are getting more in benefits than they pay in, proving his original point that "more than half of Americans are a net drain" - even when you DON'T count undocumented workers.

Get it???  I know you don't, but thought I'd point out the error in your argument nonetheless.




He said 60%, I guess you can't read. His ORIGINAL claim was 60%, not half like you keep saying. Also how do you know the number of illegals in the USA? It could be 10x that for all you know, illegals are undocumented- and yes they come from other areas not just the "Americas"

It's not my fault he doesn't read his own fucking links. Did you read his link?
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False.  60% of Americans get more from the government than they pay in taxes.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/60-percent-households-now-receive-more-transfer-income-they-pay-taxes




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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22485925 - 11/06/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Fact is the lawyer can't refute that illegals are a drain on society, so he comes up with the "Americans are too" so two wrongs make a right, that's liberal logic for you.



He never tried to refute that.  :facepalm3:

Webster said "illegals are a net drain."  Enlil responded "Most Americans are".

You really gotta stop the straw man arguments.  Every post I make to you seems to be along the lines of "no, that's not what was said, please stop the straw man arguments".


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22485930 - 11/06/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The fact that anyone's seriously considering trump is bizarre. I can't wrap my head around how anyone could think a out of touch billionaire would ever have the middle class's interests in mind.




Have you listened to his speeches and policy proposals? Then you will understand why he has unprecedented support.




Have the American people really forgotten Obamas failed promises that quickly? Or every politician before him for that matter?




Firstly... he doesn't have 'unprecedented support'. Roosevelt had 'unprecedented support'. Kennedy had 'unprecedented support'.




You forgot to include Ronald Reagan


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22485940 - 11/06/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Fact is the lawyer can't refute that illegals are a drain on society, so he comes up with the "Americans are too" so two wrongs make a right, that's liberal logic for you.



He never tried to refute that.  :facepalm3:

Webster said "illegals are a net drain."  Enlil responded "Most Americans are".

You really gotta stop the straw man arguments.  Every post I make to you seems to be along the lines of "no, that's not what was said, please stop the straw man arguments".




Enlil's reponse was very typical of libtards. And he said 60%, - he later backed his argument down to half but didn't mention the illegal statistics which show 2x the amount of welfare.

Tu quoque ("you too"). This is the fallacy of defending an error in one's reasoning by pointing out that one's opponent has made the same error. An error is still an error, regardless of how many people make it. For example, "They accuse us of making unjustified assertions. But they asserted a lot of things, too!"

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False.  60% of Americans get more from the government than they pay in taxes.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/60-percent-households-now-receive-more-transfer-income-they-pay-taxes




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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22485957 - 11/06/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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His ORIGINAL claim was 60%, not half like you keep saying.



No.  His original claim is here.
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Most Americans are.



The 60% was to back up that claim (and even if it's 56%, that still backs his claim).

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Also how do you know the number of illegals in the USA? It could be 10x that for all you know



The estimate is around 12 million.  You think it might be 120 million?  :picard:

There was a reason I stopped arguing with burgerbrain.  Time to stop again.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22485970 - 11/06/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Probably a week for you.




Meh...six to one, half dozen to another,but I will interpret the response as your respect for my lethal keyboard prowess. :lol:

As for your latter response regarding your support for redistribution of wealth, I formally state you are as nutz as Trump is regarding eminent domain (neither of you are usurping my stuff)! :noway2:


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22485977 - 11/06/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yeah bro, 1/3 of the US population are actually illegal aliens
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