Home | Community | Message Board

Original Seeds Store
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < First | < Back | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | Next > | Last >
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 59 minutes
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480167 - 11/05/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
The claim appears to be that these children are somehow to blame for the shortcomings of the education system.  From this, I can only assume that somehow immigrant children, in your eyes, are inherently less viable students than non-immigrants.  Is it genetic?




"shortcomings of the education system"

It was functioning just fine before those students flooded the system.

"are inherently less viable students"

They are a major economic burden to the educational process that their parents can never help to solve, so yes from a economic perspective they are less viable.

"Is it genetic?"

Let's not go there, this is a legal and economic issue.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepaperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22480216 - 11/05/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
You are trivializing the climate change debate, there's a Difference between climate change and " man is killing the earth and we can stop it!"




There's no debate.  The world ain't flat and you pretending that it is doesn't make it a debate.  It just means you're in denial.

Quote:

Most scientists, even the ones who agree man is contributing to climate change, admit there is very little we can do to reverse or stop it, no matter how many coal plant Obumble puts out of business.




First of all I'd like to see a source.  Second of all this is typical all or nothing thinking that I'd expect from you.  Thirdly it doesn't fucking matter if we can reverse or stop it.  If we can slow it down enough and minimize the damage enough we just may survive long enough to either get off this rock or actually reverse the damage we've done to it.


--------------------
Why should we strive with cynic frown
To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480217 - 11/05/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Let's not go there, this is a legal and economic issue.



You said it was a cultural issue.  You said that they destroy the domestic culture.  We're already there.

So, how do they destroy the culture?  It seems you're now claiming that your last example was economic in nature.  Give us an example of how they're destroying the culture.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 59 minutes
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480252 - 11/05/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
Quote:

qman said:
Let's not go there, this is a legal and economic issue.



You said it was a cultural issue.  You said that they destroy the domestic culture.  We're already there.

So, how do they destroy the culture?  It seems you're now claiming that your last example was economic in nature.  Give us an example of how they're destroying the culture.




Having a public school system flooded with Spanish speaking students destroys the financial and educational foundation of that local community, that hurts the culture at the end of the day.

Resources are limited, mis-allocating those resources on illegals does destroy the local culture, this really isn't that complicated, it's basic math. Take from one to give to another who doesn't even belong there in the first place = destruction of culture.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepaperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480264 - 11/05/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'd love if my kid was picking up Spanish from his peers.

As far as limited resources hasn't it been shown that over the long term education is a good economic investment?


--------------------
Why should we strive with cynic frown
To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 59 minutes
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22480283 - 11/05/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
I'd love if my kid was picking up Spanish from his peers.

As far as limited resources hasn't it been shown that over the long term education is a good economic investment?




Your child picks up much more up than just Spanish being around those children, lets face it, 99% of parents do NOT want their children in those types of school systems.

The illegals compromise the native students education. What do you think these Spanish speaking students do after public education?  Many don't even graduate HS, so where's the return on investment?  There isn't any there.


Edited by qman (11/05/15 09:21 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480284 - 11/05/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Take from one to give to another who doesn't even belong there in the first place = destruction of culture.



How do you determine who "belong[s] there" and who doesn't? 

Your argument has completely failed to show how even "Spanish speaking students" destroy the culture, much less how undocumented immigrants in general do.

Spanish is the second most spoken language on the planet.  You can't possibly think that exposure to Spanish hurts American Culture unless you've got some irrational bias.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman] * 1
    #22480293 - 11/05/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Your child picks up much more up than just Spanish being around those children, lets face it, 99% of parents do NOT want their children in those types of school systems.




I can only assume that you're talking in code and riddles here because you know that if you said what you really meant, your true bias would show.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 59 minutes
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480311 - 11/05/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
Quote:

qman said:
Your child picks up much more up than just Spanish being around those children, lets face it, 99% of parents do NOT want their children in those types of school systems.




I can only assume that you're talking in code and riddles here because you know that if you said what you really meant, your true bias would show.




There's no code, most of those children are highly dysfunctional at many different levels, parents of well adjusted children don't want them exposed to that type of element, who can blame them?

They have language issues, behavior problems, their parents are highly dysfunctional, they suffer from poverty, they came from a primitive culture, these problems overwhelm the school systems and that destroys the local culture.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepaperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480325 - 11/05/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I had behavior problems, highly dysfunctional parents, and suffered from poverty.  I guess I was the type of kid most parents wouldn't want their well adjusted kids to hang out with.

Too bad you can't tell that by the color of my skin or the language I speak  :cookiemonster:

*edit*
Quote:

qman said:
Many don't even graduate HS, so where's the return on investment?  There isn't any there.




So I googled CA HS graduation rates.  Most hispanics/latinos graduate.  So not sure where you're getting 'many' from.


--------------------
Why should we strive with cynic frown
To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


Edited by paperbackwriter (11/05/15 09:39 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 59 minutes
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22480338 - 11/05/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
I had behavior problems, highly dysfunctional parents, and suffered from poverty.  I guess I was the type of kid most parents wouldn't want their well adjusted kids to hang out with.

Too bad you can't tell that by the color of my skin or the language I speak  :cookiemonster:




You already were in the domestic culture and spoke the native language, that's the big difference. Why are you trying to compare yourself to someone who just crossed the border?  :facepalm:

I highly doubt your parents ever experienced the extreme poverty these people have, not even close.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepaperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22480346 - 11/05/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I understand that many of them come from far more extreme poverty than I did.  My point stands.  There's parents that would have just as soon I not hang out with their kids because I was 'poorly' adjusted.  Or prefer that I go to a different school altogether so I don't destroy their kids 'culture'.

Also see my edit?

*edit*
Quote:

qman said:
Many don't even graduate HS, so where's the return on investment?  There isn't any there.




So I googled CA HS graduation rates.  Most hispanics/latinos graduate.




--------------------
Why should we strive with cynic frown
To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


Edited by paperbackwriter (11/05/15 09:50 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22480395 - 11/05/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
I understand that many of them come from far more extreme poverty than I did.  My point stands.  There's parents that would have just as soon I not hang out with their kids because I was 'poorly' adjusted.  Or prefer that I go to a different school altogether so I don't destroy their kids 'culture'.

Also see my edit?

*edit*
Quote:

qman said:
Many don't even graduate HS, so where's the return on investment?  There isn't any there.




So I googled CA HS graduation rates.  Most hispanics/latinos graduate.







Do you have a source? And does it differentiate between illegals and those born here? I'm gonna guess it don't...


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480397 - 11/05/15 10:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
most of those children are highly dysfunctional at many different levels, parents of well adjusted children don't want them exposed to that type of element, who can blame them?



So, you're saying that immigrant children are inherently "highly dysfunctional at many different levels"?

That's a bold statement.  Got a source other than stormfront?


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480410 - 11/05/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:



How do you determine who "belong[s] there" and who doesn't? 




Seriously? That's an easy one, if you snuck across the border, you don't fucking belong here!

As a lawyer, I would assume you believe in some sort of law, do you not?


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleEnlilMDiscord
OTD God-King
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22480427 - 11/05/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sure.  That doesn't mean I can't disagree with the law.


--------------------
Censoring opposing views since 2014.

Ask an Attorney

Fuck the Amish


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepaperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22480449 - 11/05/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Do you have a source? And does it differentiate between illegals and those born here? I'm gonna guess it don't...




It did not differentiate between legal and illegal residents.  14% of latinos drop out,  7% of whites, and 20% of blacks.

Here you go.


--------------------
Why should we strive with cynic frown
To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480454 - 11/05/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
Sure.  That doesn't mean I can't disagree with the law.




Fair enough,

And I'm still waiting for you to produce facts of how illegals driving down wages, saturating the labor market, and using welfare economic "stimulating":popcorn:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22480462 - 11/05/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

paperbackwriter said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Do you have a source? And does it differentiate between illegals and those born here? I'm gonna guess it don't...




It did not differentiate between legal and illegal residents.  14% of latinos drop out,  7% of whites, and 20% of blacks.

Here you go.




So that's a useless link then, because we are not talking about legal immigrants or Latinos born here, we are discussing the illegals, but thank you for your honesty


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepaperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22480479 - 11/05/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Latinos includes legals and illegals.

And it's really not my place to find a source for qman.  He made the claim that 'many illegals don't graduate anyway'.  Where's his source?

Speaking of, still waiting on a source for how they destroy the economy and our culture.

:waitingpatiently:


--------------------
Why should we strive with cynic frown
To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < First | < Back | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | 43 | 44 | 45 | Next > | Last >

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* So Trump started off badly but he's making more sense every day...
( 1 2 3 4 ... 82 83 )
Patlal 59,099 1,645 09/19/15 03:20 PM
by Bigbadwooof
* Who Is Voting For Trump?
( 1 2 3 4 ... 10 11 all )
thewanderer25 12,463 201 08/11/15 03:28 PM
by KauaiOrca
* 1 in 4 see Trump as a serious candidate! Bigbadwooof 674 9 07/19/15 07:19 PM
by zorbman
* The Reason Behind Trump's Support and Poll Numbers
( 1 2 3 all )
Astral Pain 4,611 59 12/12/15 07:57 AM
by hostileuniverse
* TRUMP 2024
( 1 2 3 4 ... 1201 1202 )
XUL 284,991 24,030 01/27/24 06:43 PM
by Bigbadwooof
* Donald Trump - The Embodiment of American Fascism
( 1 2 3 4 ... 11 12 all )
Bigbadwooof 13,739 228 08/04/18 08:26 PM
by Enlil
* Trump - "We should have invaded Mexico instead of Iraq"
( 1 2 all )
Bigbadwooof 2,688 39 09/10/15 11:09 AM
by imachavel
* Trump
( 1 2 3 4 ... 131 132 )
DividedQuantumM 76,246 2,635 01/19/21 07:19 AM
by STPLSD25

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
40,158 topic views. 2 members, 8 guests and 5 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 15 queries.