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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22479831 - 11/05/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Meh, undocumented workers enrich this nation culturally and economically.  I say let them buy Obamacare if they want it.




So you think welfare, subsidies, and driving wages down enriches us economically?

That's laughable


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22479844 - 11/05/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I said nothing about welfare, but that's a cute little strawman you've built.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22479855 - 11/05/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I said nothing about welfare, but that's a cute little strawman you've built.




You said illegals enrich us economically, maybe you should research the true costs of illegals, and I'll wait for you to boast how great they are...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22479881 - 11/05/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Still has nothing to do with welfare.

I know you don't see it, but it's painfully obvious to anyone reading your posts that your anti-immigrant stance is just a thinly veiled racism.  I don't expect to have a rational conversation with you about it because your underlying motives aren't rational. 

There is certainly a discussion to be had about race, immigration and the problems associated with those issues, but that discussion becomes pointless when one of the people involved sees it as "us" vs "them".


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22479960 - 11/05/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You said illegals enrich us economically, maybe you should research the true costs of illegals, and I'll wait for you to boast how great they are...




Do you have a reliable source for us to research it?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22479996 - 11/05/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Sanders wants illegals to become US citizens, what a joke. :huxleyfacepalm:





And Trump denies climate change.  I get being a one issue voter, I'm one myself.  Being one issue on climate change makes more sense to me then being one issue on immigration.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480020 - 11/05/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Meh, undocumented workers enrich this nation culturally and economically.  I say let them buy Obamacare if they want it.




That enrich the very elite and nothing more, they destroy the domestic culture and economy for the other 99%.

"let them buy Obamacare"

With what?  They don't have the money, it's going to be the same old shit, free health care for illegals and their children.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480028 - 11/05/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That enrich the very elite and nothing more, they destroy the domestic culture and economy for the other 99%.





Give us a well-based source for the destruction of domestic culture, when the vast majority of social scientists believe just the opposite. Please, it will mean at least that you know what you are writing.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22480030 - 11/05/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You said illegals enrich us economically, maybe you should research the true costs of illegals, and I'll wait for you to boast how great they are...




Do you have a reliable source for us to research it?




I have posted it multiple times in this forum, they use 8 times more in tax revenue than they contribute and that doesn't take into account what they do to employment/wages for US workers.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22480032 - 11/05/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Sanders wants illegals to become US citizens, what a joke. :huxleyfacepalm:





And Trump denies climate change.  I get being a one issue voter, I'm one myself.  Being one issue on climate change makes more sense to me then being one issue on immigration.




You are trivializing the climate change debate, there's a Difference between climate change and " man is killing the earth and we can stop it!"

Most scientists, even the ones who agree man is contributing to climate change, admit there is very little we can do to reverse or stop it, no matter how many coal plant Obumble puts out of business.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480041 - 11/05/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Still has nothing to do with welfare.

I know you don't see it, but it's painfully obvious to anyone reading your posts that your anti-immigrant stance is just a thinly veiled racism.  I don't expect to have a rational conversation with you about it because your underlying motives aren't rational. 

There is certainly a discussion to be had about race, immigration and the problems associated with those issues, but that discussion becomes pointless when one of the people involved sees it as "us" vs "them".




ThatS a strawman argument, when have said I hate blacks or Browns???

Exactly, oh, and I support a black man for president! The race card is the tool of the unintelligent, it's used to stop debate, not address the issues at hand


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22480043 - 11/05/15 08:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That enrich the very elite and nothing more, they destroy the domestic culture and economy for the other 99%.





Give us a well-based source for the destruction of domestic culture, when the vast majority of social scientists believe just the opposite. Please, it will mean at least that you know what you are writing.




Social scientists believe the opposite, well then, I better watch out, the country is getting better with even more illegals crossing the border. :lol:  Are you joking or trolling?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480053 - 11/05/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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they destroy the domestic culture



Any source to support this claim?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480087 - 11/05/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would really like to see one, Enlil!


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480088 - 11/05/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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they destroy the domestic culture



Any source to support this claim?




I can point out what they have done to local communities and their public school systems.

They flood these schools with students that don't speak decent English and basically overwhelm the whole school system. They can't pass the basic state tests which eventually puts the schools into receivership because now it's the teachers and administrators fault their school is filled with these children.

Of course this compromises the education of the other students as the school budgets spiral out of the control.  Many teachers just end of quitting because it's not an environment that's even tolerable and they are constantly getting blamed for the poor performance of those students.

This is just one small example of how their presence destroys a local community, the list goes on and on.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480100 - 11/05/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So... no source... No real knowledge of the issue... But very opinionated... Yeah, that's a hazardous way to present your arguments.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22480133 - 11/05/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So... no source... No real knowledge of the issue... But very opinionated... Yeah, that's a hazardous way to present your arguments.




It would make you feel better if the same scenario came with a link/source?  What difference does it make, this stuff is in the news non-stop, do you ever pay attention to what happens around you, do you ever talk with people?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480135 - 11/05/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The claim appears to be that these children are somehow to blame for the shortcomings of the education system.  From this, I can only assume that somehow immigrant children, in your eyes, are inherently less viable students than non-immigrants.  Is it genetic?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22480153 - 11/05/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It would make you feel better if the same scenario came with a link/source?  What difference does it make, this stuff is in the news non-stop, do you ever pay attention to what happens around you, do you ever talk with people?




It's not about how I feel, but yes, a source, any source, would make your argument valid. Otherwise, it's an opinion based on your ethnocentric view.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22480157 - 11/05/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The claim appears to be that these children are somehow to blame for the shortcomings of the education system.  From this, I can only assume that somehow immigrant children, in your eyes, are inherently less viable students than non-immigrants.  Is it genetic?




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