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Love this: "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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mycopathia said: Love this: "It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Ty 
It is my favorite quote.
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It is my favorite quote.
well I hope you get you used to your "profoundly sick society" its only gonna get worse as the progressive agenda is implemented...
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hostileuniverse said: well I hope you get you used to your "profoundly sick society" its only gonna get worse as the progressive agenda is implemented...
Except, if it is implemented, and it might, and liberals remember well what it is to be a liberal (I'm not saying I do), time will tell how sick the society will become.
Coincidentally, history teaches us that every regime opposed to progression has either been extinguished, fell behind, or has made fools of the opposition to change, and real change, not basically going back to the way things used to be when things sucked more than today
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hostileuniverse said: well I hope you get you used to your "profoundly sick society" its only gonna get worse as the progressive agenda is implemented...
Except, if it is implemented, and it might, and liberals remember well what it is to be a liberal (I'm not saying I do), time will tell how sick the society will become.
Coincidentally, history teaches us that every regime opposed to progression has either been extinguished, fell behind, or has made fools of the opposition to change, and real change, not basically going back to the way things used to be when things sucked more than today
Venezuela embraced the progressive agenda, so did Greece, so there's that...
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It is my favorite quote.
well I hope you get you used to your "profoundly sick society" its only gonna get worse as the progressive agenda is implemented...
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Venezuela embraced the progressive agenda, so did Greece, so there's that...
The situation before Chávez took office:
(Wikepedia, by the way, is measured by the sources it contains, and it is more accurate than an Encyclopedia)
“Along with these economic changes came various changes in Venezuelan society. Class division intensified, as summarized by Edgardo Lander: ‘A sensation of insecurity became generalized throughout the population, constituting ‘an emerging culture of violence. . . very distinct from the culture of tolerance and peace that dominated Venezuelan society in the past.’ (Briceño León et al., 1997: 213). Along with unemployment, personal safety topped the problems perceived as most serious by the population. Between 1986 and 1996 the number of homicides per 10,000 inhabitants jumped from 13.4 to 56, an increase of 418 percent, with most of the victims being young males (San Juan, 1997: 232–233). Countless streets in the middle- and upper-class neighborhoods were closed and privatized; increasingly, bars and electric fences surrounded houses and buildings in these areas. The threat represented by the "dangerous class" came to occupy a central place in the media – along with demands that drastic measures be taken, including the death penalty or direct execution by the police.’
During this period, the prospect of a reasonably comfortable life for most Venezuelans, which had appeared attainable in the 1970s, became increasingly remote; poverty and exclusion appeared inescapable for many. According to Lander:
‘These crises-like conditions increasingly became permanent features of society. We are dealing here not with the exclusion of a minority categorized as "marginal" in relation to society as a whole but with the living conditions and cultural reproduction of the great majority of the population. The result was the development of what Ivez Pedrazzini and Magalay Sánchez (1992) have called the "culture of urgency." They describe a practical culture of action in which the informal economy, illegality, illegitimacy, violence and mistrust of official society are common. Alejandro Moreno (1995) characterizes this other cultural universe as the popular-life world that is other, different from Western modernity – organized in terms of a matriarchal family structure, with different conceptions of time, work, and community, and a relational (community-oriented) rationality distinct from the abstract rationality of the dominant society. This cultural context is scarcely compatible with the model of citizenship associated with liberal democracies of the West.’”
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/international/greece-debt-crisis-euro.html?_r=0]"Between 1984 and 1995 the percentage of people living below the poverty line jumped from 36 percent to 66 percent, while the number of people suffering from extreme poverty tripled, from 11 percent to 36 percent."[/url]
That alone means that comparing the United States past with Venezuela’s prior to its regime change (which was not socialist in nature, only in name, as all socialist societies have been in the past) is truly like comparing Haiti to France for tourism leisure. Both are sovereign countries. One is one of the worst, and the other, one of the best for tourists.
Our country is a country already adapted to social-capitalism, a form of capitalism that tries to bond the gaps created by the free market. Not that free market is bad in itself, but most of those practicing it, and their values, may very well be our metaphorical Hitler. There is absolutely no comparison to our “depression” in 2007/2008 and Venezuela’s financial situation. This is not true of Venezuela then, only, but of Brazil today (a place that I know all too well):
The crisis in the US is but a daily routine of the most fortunate members of the middle class in Brazil.
About Greece:
The New York Times
“How did Greece get to this point?
Greece became the epicenter of Europe’s debt crisis after Wall Street imploded in 2008. With global financial markets still reeling, Greece announced in October 2009 that it had been understating its deficit figures for years, raising alarms about the soundness of Greek finances … The bailout money mainly goes toward paying off Greece’s international loans, rather than making its way into the economy. And the government still has a staggering debt load that it cannot begin to pay down unless a recovery takes hold.”
This, as pointed out by a colleague of mine, was never related to how Greece spent its money in social programs, even though it is a partial reality of the scenario that brought it to where it now is. Corruption, despite playing a great role for the dimensions of the hole, especially when Greece had been quietly trying to avert the situation by digging deeper holes, is not the main reason, either, to explain the magnitude of the crisis. It is explained especially by the fact that the IFM forced Greece to do what other countries have already given up or renegotiated to avoid austerity, the international debt.
Realistically, if the US finds that it has great international debt, as it found and as it does, will it listen to the IFM, or isn’t the US one of its greatest speculators as well as influences? From what I remember, Greece is not exactly the leading European player, and it is certainly not comparable, in this sense, to the US. If the IFM requests austerity measures and tax increases, what does usually happen? See the history of all countries forced to pay international debts before reinvesting in their own economies, and therein lays the buried bone.
No comparison whatsoever. We are trying to improve a system that is by no means broken (go to a broken place and compare it to the general on-the-ground situation inside the US), but requires improvements and evolution. Going back to more of the same, proved not to have worked in most cases, is doing exactly what put us in Bush’s financial era in the first place.
Also, why is it that the poor should pay with “austerity” when the increase in population, especially the ill and insane, and those who latch onto government programs, or those who resort to crime, are a problem of the entire community/society/country?
I know what I wrote is in vain, but that is only because of this, of which I’m sure we both suffer:
Source: “Believing what you don’t see” (Opinions page of The New York Times, By JANE L. RISEN and A. DAVID NUSSBAUM, Oct 30 2015.
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Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
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Venezuela embraced the progressive agenda, so did Greece, so there's that...
The situation before Chávez took office:
(Wikepedia, by the way, is measured by the sources it contains, and it is more accurate than an Encyclopedia)
“Along with these economic changes came various changes in Venezuelan society. Class division intensified, as summarized by Edgardo Lander: ‘A sensation of insecurity became generalized throughout the population, constituting ‘an emerging culture of violence. . . very distinct from the culture of tolerance and peace that dominated Venezuelan society in the past.’ (Briceño León et al., 1997: 213). Along with unemployment, personal safety topped the problems perceived as most serious by the population. Between 1986 and 1996 the number of homicides per 10,000 inhabitants jumped from 13.4 to 56, an increase of 418 percent, with most of the victims being young males (San Juan, 1997: 232–233). Countless streets in the middle- and upper-class neighborhoods were closed and privatized; increasingly, bars and electric fences surrounded houses and buildings in these areas. The threat represented by the "dangerous class" came to occupy a central place in the media – along with demands that drastic measures be taken, including the death penalty or direct execution by the police.’
During this period, the prospect of a reasonably comfortable life for most Venezuelans, which had appeared attainable in the 1970s, became increasingly remote; poverty and exclusion appeared inescapable for many. According to Lander:
‘These crises-like conditions increasingly became permanent features of society. We are dealing here not with the exclusion of a minority categorized as "marginal" in relation to society as a whole but with the living conditions and cultural reproduction of the great majority of the population. The result was the development of what Ivez Pedrazzini and Magalay Sánchez (1992) have called the "culture of urgency." They describe a practical culture of action in which the informal economy, illegality, illegitimacy, violence and mistrust of official society are common. Alejandro Moreno (1995) characterizes this other cultural universe as the popular-life world that is other, different from Western modernity – organized in terms of a matriarchal family structure, with different conceptions of time, work, and community, and a relational (community-oriented) rationality distinct from the abstract rationality of the dominant society. This cultural context is scarcely compatible with the model of citizenship associated with liberal democracies of the West.’”
[url=http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/business/international/greece-debt-crisis-euro.html?_r=0]"Between 1984 and 1995 the percentage of people living below the poverty line jumped from 36 percent to 66 percent, while the number of people suffering from extreme poverty tripled, from 11 percent to 36 percent."[/url]
That alone means that comparing the United States past with Venezuela’s prior to its regime change (which was not socialist in nature, only in name, as all socialist societies have been in the past) is truly like comparing Haiti to France for tourism leisure. Both are sovereign countries. One is one of the worst, and the other, one of the best for tourists.
Our country is a country already adapted to social-capitalism, a form of capitalism that tries to bond the gaps created by the free market. Not that free market is bad in itself, but most of those practicing it, and their values, may very well be our metaphorical Hitler. There is absolutely no comparison to our “depression” in 2007/2008 and Venezuela’s financial situation. This is not true of Venezuela then, only, but of Brazil today (a place that I know all too well):
The crisis in the US is but a daily routine of the most fortunate members of the middle class in Brazil.
About Greece:
The New York Times
“How did Greece get to this point?
Greece became the epicenter of Europe’s debt crisis after Wall Street imploded in 2008. With global financial markets still reeling, Greece announced in October 2009 that it had been understating its deficit figures for years, raising alarms about the soundness of Greek finances … The bailout money mainly goes toward paying off Greece’s international loans, rather than making its way into the economy. And the government still has a staggering debt load that it cannot begin to pay down unless a recovery takes hold.”
This, as pointed out by a colleague of mine, was never related to how Greece spent its money in social programs, even though it is a partial reality of the scenario that brought it to where it now is. Corruption, despite playing a great role for the dimensions of the hole, especially when Greece had been quietly trying to avert the situation by digging deeper holes, is not the main reason, either, to explain the magnitude of the crisis. It is explained especially by the fact that the IFM forced Greece to do what other countries have already given up or renegotiated to avoid austerity, the international debt.
Realistically, if the US finds that it has great international debt, as it found and as it does, will it listen to the IFM, or isn’t the US one of its greatest speculators as well as influences? From what I remember, Greece is not exactly the leading European player, and it is certainly not comparable, in this sense, to the US. If the IFM requests austerity measures and tax increases, what does usually happen? See the history of all countries forced to pay international debts before reinvesting in their own economies, and therein lays the buried bone.
No comparison whatsoever. We are trying to improve a system that is by no means broken (go to a broken place and compare it to the general on-the-ground situation inside the US), but requires improvements and evolution. Going back to more of the same, proved not to have worked in most cases, is doing exactly what put us in Bush’s financial era in the first place.
Also, why is it that the poor should pay with “austerity” when the increase in population, especially the ill and insane, and those who latch onto government programs, or those who resort to crime, are a problem of the entire community/society/country?
I know what I wrote is in vain, but that is only because of this, of which I’m sure we both suffer:
Source: “Believing what you don’t see” (Opinions page of The New York Times, By JANE L. RISEN and A. DAVID NUSSBAUM, Oct 30 2015.
so all the ideas that were pushed on greece and venezuela that are now being pushed on us are of no consequence because we are so different?
okay then...
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Treebux]
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Treebux said: Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
Sanders isn't bought. He's also worth less than a million dollars.
In my experience rich people always want more money. Trump sounds like the fox guarding the hen house. Didn't we get enough of that with Cheney?
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Treebux said: Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
Sanders isn't bought. He's also worth less than a million dollars.
In my experience rich people always want more money. Trump sounds like the fox guarding the hen house. Didn't we get enough of that with Cheney?
Comparing Trump to cheney.... loooooool.
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so all the ideas that were pushed on greece and venezuela that are now being pushed on us are of no consequence because we are so different?
okay then...
I think you have finally got it! Eureka! Yes, that is EXACTLY how it is. Time will prove it right or wrong.
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Comparing Trump to cheney.... loooooool.
Yeah, it should be more a comparison between Trump and Oprah!
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Lets see...hmmmm....get rid of the capitalists and replace them with a system of government figures who all the shots...now where have I heard this idea before? Oh yes!
The New Class: "Milovan Đilas, a critic of Stalin, wrote of the nomenklatura as the new class in his book The New Class: An Analysis of the Communist System, and he claimed that it was seen by ordinary citizens as a bureaucratic élite that enjoyed special privileges and had supplanted the earlier wealthy capitalist élites."
a bureaucratic élite that enjoyed special privileges and had supplanted the earlier wealthy capitalist élites."
THis is what we are getting as the dumb fucks who support big government are enabling it because 'It will work here because we are different'
Too bad Hillary is going to get her ass beat in the general because 1)She isn't Obama 2) She isn't very smart and 3) the candidates the republicans are running this time, unfortunately for the democrats, aren't going to roll over and show their soft bellies like McCain and Romney did.
It will be great to get a real leader into office--not a big government 'New Class' person like O or Bush, and have them get to leading congress towards undoing the fucking turds that got pushed down our throats under bush and Dogshit Barry.
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Oh, I think the GOP is such a fracass that it doesn't matter who the opponent is, the GOP will get killed.
Dude, your theories are sci-fi. There already is a system in place that allows for socialist programs and aspects (post-office, public schools, public transportation, and shared washing machines ), and not all of them fail (at least not as catastrophically as the Open Market did back in '07), but that reform that you speak of is not realistic, is not real, and is not even intended to be real, so, dude, please.
Hmmm let's see, a figure who calls all the shots... Like Trump wants to be? :-)
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Treebux said: Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
He's not the 'only one not being paid off by big corporate people'. Firstly, Trump IS 'big corporate people', and second, Bernie Sanders hasn't taken a dime from anyone but private citizen donors. He doesn't even have a super PAC.
Take your mindless dribble elsewhere. Trump is a fucking joke, and so is Ben Carson...
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Treebux said: Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
He's not the 'only one not being paid off by big corporate people'. Firstly, Trump IS 'big corporate people', and second, Bernie Sanders hasn't taken a dime from anyone but private citizen donors. He doesn't even have a super PAC.
Take your mindless dribble elsewhere. Trump is a fucking joke, and so is Ben Carson...
"Trump IS 'big corporate people'"
He doesn't represent "corporate America", he has the luxury of criticizing them, no one else as that ability.
He can admitted to using lobbyists and political money for his own gain and then criticize it, no one else can talk about that part of the political corruption.
BTW, I think Bernie is already toast.
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Treebux said: Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
He's not the 'only one not being paid off by big corporate people'. Firstly, Trump IS 'big corporate people', and second, Bernie Sanders hasn't taken a dime from anyone but private citizen donors. He doesn't even have a super PAC.
Take your mindless dribble elsewhere. Trump is a fucking joke, and so is Ben Carson...
"Trump IS 'big corporate people'"
He doesn't represent "corporate America", he has the luxury of criticizing them, no one else as that ability.
He can admitted to using lobbyists and political money for his own gain and then criticize it, no one else can talk about that part of the political corruption.
BTW, I think Bernie is already toast.
Bernie can and does talk about it all the time. Bernie is just as much 'toast' as Trump, last I checked. Last poll I saw had Carson beating Trump by 8 points, and given the number of GOP candidates, that is quite significant.
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Treebux said: Trumps Americas only chance. He's the only one not being paid off by big corporate people. Americas heading down the wrong path. I'm not politicaly active but id rather have trump then all these other puppets up there. Trump doesn't have anything to gain but fame. He's already super rich. So its not like he's doing this for the money.
Look at our country now. We are worrying about racial diversity, political correctness and if we should allow ourselves to have guns...
These are all things that society sorts out over time, stop pushing ideas on us. The government needs to focus on money and protecting our shores.
He's not the 'only one not being paid off by big corporate people'. Firstly, Trump IS 'big corporate people', and second, Bernie Sanders hasn't taken a dime from anyone but private citizen donors. He doesn't even have a super PAC.
Take your mindless dribble elsewhere. Trump is a fucking joke, and so is Ben Carson...
"Trump IS 'big corporate people'"
He doesn't represent "corporate America", he has the luxury of criticizing them, no one else as that ability.
He can admitted to using lobbyists and political money for his own gain and then criticize it, no one else can talk about that part of the political corruption.
BTW, I think Bernie is already toast.
Bernie can and does talk about it all the time. Bernie is just as much 'toast' as Trump, last I checked. Last poll I saw had Carson beating Trump by 8 points, and given the number of GOP candidates, that is quite significant.
That was before the debate, either way those polls are bunk, most people don't even know who the fuck Carson is today.
Bernie's voice on the subject is from a liberal lifetime politician, not a person who's been in the business world for the past 50 years, Trump's criticisms carry much more weight.
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qman said: "Trump IS 'big corporate people'"
He doesn't represent "corporate America", he has the luxury of criticizing them, no one else as that ability.
He can admitted to using lobbyists and political money for his own gain and then criticize it, no one else can talk about that part of the political corruption.
BTW, I think Bernie is already toast.
Bernie can and does talk about it all the time. Bernie is just as much 'toast' as Trump, last I checked. Last poll I saw had Carson beating Trump by 8 points, and given the number of GOP candidates, that is quite significant.
That was before the debate, either way those polls are bunk, most people don't even know who the fuck Carson is today.
Bernie's voice on the subject is from a liberal lifetime politician, not a person who's been in the business world for the past 50 years, Trump's criticisms carry much more weight.
I suppose we'll have to agree to strongly disagree on that point. Trump's business practices are symbolic of everything that is wrong with America. Corrupting the political process, shittin on the little guy, destroying small businesses, etc. How does being the shadyist of businessmen qualify someone to handle political affairs in any way, shape, or form?
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