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hostileuniverse
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starfire_xes said: The 'link between CO2 and global warming is a hypothesis. You can't say someone is covering something up for not agreeing or commenting on a hypothesis.

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"In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon's Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.
It was July 1977 when Exxon's leaders received this blunt assessment, well before most of the world had heard of the looming climate crisis.
General scientific agreement is beyond a hypothesis. And this was EXxon's own scientists, in 1977!
No it isnt. And there isn't as widespread agreement as claimed. People agreeing doesn't prove anything. And don't try to tell me about science,because i'm a professional engineer.
They havent got any of the climate models right yet,as far as i know.
And as far as burning fossil fuels, do you know how much energy is contained in all the fossil fuels that are estimated to be left on earth?
That's irrelevant, carbon bad! Lol
Yep, every climate model is on future predictions, none of which have been proven to be right, yet, they still use them, idiocy to the max!
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starfire_xes said: People agreeing doesn't prove anything.
Scientific agreement means when they checked the data 97% of the studies confirmed the hypothesis. That's the data. Not people.
EXxon's own studies, conducted prior to 1977, reached the same conclusions.
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They havent got any of the climate models right yet,as far as i know.
The big model that shows a general trend of warming and climate change that will push us, eventually, into a new ice age, has been shown to be true by 97% of the data. I don't know how much more 'right' you want, but you're an engineer so please tell me how much data needs to support a hypothesis for it to be considered a working model (i.e. theory)?
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Strong debate performance was strong. Trump 2016.
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paperbackwriter said:
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starfire_xes said: People agreeing doesn't prove anything.
Scientific agreement means when they checked the data 97% of the studies confirmed the hypothesis. That's the data. Not people.
EXxon's own studies, conducted prior to 1977, reached the same conclusions.
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They havent got any of the climate models right yet,as far as i know.
The big model that shows a general trend of warming and climate change that will push us, eventually, into a new ice age, has been shown to be true by 97% of the data. I don't know how much more 'right' you want, but you're an engineer so please tell me how much data needs to support a hypothesis for it to be considered a working model (i.e. theory)?
More logical fallacies from the left
Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right. Example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!
Yes the so called "scientists" made predictions, according to their data, that the earth would be a lot hotter than it is now. They were ALL WRONG.
So if the data is so accurate, as the libtards keep saying, then why are all the models wrong?
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Trump would sink the USA into a hole that would permanently make all Americans hated by the rest of the world forever. It just goes to show the power of the media to influence the sheep.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: Trump would sink the USA into a hole that would permanently make all Americans hated by the rest of the world forever. It just goes to show the power of the media to influence the sheep.
Lol, what?
Who the fuck did you guys just elect? LMFAO!
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: Trump would sink the USA into a hole that would permanently make all Americans hated by the rest of the world forever. It just goes to show the power of the media to influence the sheep.
FYI the media has been bashing Trump since day one, they have been pimping Hill and Jeb.
And guess what, our President is suppose to represent US citizens interests, not "the rest of the world".
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Example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!
Some example! Lol
Abortion is not a right or wrong issue. It's a moral issue that must be decided by society as a whole.
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Example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!
Abortion is not a right or wrong issue. It's a moral issue that must be decided by society as a whole.
I was just typing the same thing and noticed your response before I submitted it.
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Example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!
Some example! Lol
Abortion is not a right or wrong issue. It's a moral issue that must be decided by society as a whole.
Way off topic, try to focus
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: Trump would sink the USA into a hole that would permanently make all Americans hated by the rest of the world forever. It just goes to show the power of the media to influence the sheep.
Yes because the media is PROMOTING trump. What a joke. Tip to all canadians: if you don't want to be laughed at, don't discuss American politics.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: Trump would sink the USA into a hole that would permanently make all Americans hated by the rest of the world forever. It just goes to show the power of the media to influence the sheep.
Once Obama was elected it was demonstrated Americans are short-sighted twits. If they'll elect Obama, Trump isn't even a stretch.
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I find it hard to understand the self righteous republicans- who would have been only too happy to have allowed the auto industry to fall by the wayside while bailing out the big banks and say they are for the people who work for their money. it feels to me like you are regurgitating the party line on said issues- not expressing an original thought. but hey- that's just how it comes across to me.
thanks for appreciating the madness that is the trump camp tho- it's insane.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Webster10]
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just because the media is as perplexed as i am at the trump rhetoric- doesn't mean that he is not a master manipulator of the media- with or without their support. he is the media.
if you're a homesteader and collect guns and stockpile food- and are just waiting for the country to fall so that you can set up your own little fort and play god while the masses are massacred- then i guess that makes for a debate. not sure where you are coming from- but as is- trump would be a liability
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: I find it hard to understand the self righteous republicans- who would have been only too happy to have allowed the auto industry to fall by the wayside while bailing out the big banks and say they are for the people who work for their money. it feels to me like you are regurgitating the party line on said issues- not expressing an original thought. but hey- that's just how it comes across to me.
thanks for appreciating the madness that is the trump camp tho- it's insane.
You do realize the Democrats and Obama supported and administered the bank bailouts, and Obama supported the Fed the past 7 years with their non-stop QE further bailing out the banks?
I don't think you really understand US politics, but stick around, maybe you might learn a few things.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: I find it hard to understand the self righteous republicans- who would have been only too happy to have allowed the auto industry to fall by the wayside while bailing out the big banks and say they are for the people who work for their money. it feels to me like you are regurgitating the party line on said issues- not expressing an original thought. but hey- that's just how it comes across to me.
The us auto industry wouldn't have failed, ONE unsuccessful company would have went under, those employees worth a shit would have been picked up by the other auto makers, as their sales and production would have picked the others losses.
The democrats are just as responsible for the bank bailouts, so there's that. No self respecting CONSERVATIVE supported any of the bailouts
What we are seeing currently is the dissolution of the two-party system, the parties have been both been taken over by progressive socialists
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agreed- to an extent. trump however, is a dangerous idiot with a five word vocabulary that should be kept many miles from the nuclear arsenals. just sayin'
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: mycopathia]
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mycopathia said: agreed- to an extent. trump however, is a dangerous idiot with a five word vocabulary that should be kept many miles from the nuclear arsenals. just sayin'
Lol, silly Canadians, I bet you think a president can just push a RED button and start a nuclear war, don't you?
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thanks for the assurances. you seem to be quit an expert... sorry about the fears.
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-------------------- "In the Beginning, all was static; the earth was neither fire nor solid. It was a drop of water on someone’s kitchen table: an instant between the action of spilling and some future cleaning-up. Or, perhaps, the earth is a barnacle on a rock, formed between two waves; an event of no significance, then, created in a vacuum between the ebb and the flow of some unthinkable, unimaginable sea."-- TL
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