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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22427562 - 10/24/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The strongest hurricane in recorded history made landfall last night.



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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22427681 - 10/24/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The strongest hurricane in recorded history made landfall last night.






Yup! Must be climate change! Oh my god! We're all gonna die!

You people do realize that these "earthquakes" the usgs is referring to are quakes so tiny that  people aren't even able to feel them, does that sound like a reason to shut everything down and go live in caves?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22427752 - 10/24/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe human behavior is responsible for climate change, but I don't think drastic measures should be mandated to change it.



An honest point for intelligent discussion.  That's how debates should go.  Not "scientists are all trying to promote their 'agenda' rather than science" (whatever their secret agenda is).
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22428452 - 10/24/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yup! Must be climate change! Oh my god! We're all gonna die!




We're breaking records every year and over the next decade we will break those records too.  Like I said this is a conversation we really need to be having so we don't have to take such drastic action in the future.

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You people do realize that these "earthquakes" the usgs is referring to are quakes so tiny that  people aren't even able to feel them, does that sound like a reason to shut everything down and go live in caves?




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USGS said: Between the years 1973–2008, there was an average of 21 earthquakes of magnitude three and larger in the central and eastern United States. This rate jumped to an average of 99 M3+ earthquakes per year in 2009–2013, and the rate continues to rise. In 2014, alone, there were 659 M3 and larger earthquakes. Most of these earthquakes are in the magnitude 3–4 range, large enough to have been felt by many people, yet small enough to rarely cause damage.

There were reports of damage from some of the larger events, including the M5.6 Prague, Oklahoma earthquake and the M5.3 Trinidad, Colorado earthquake.




Emphasis mine.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22428674 - 10/24/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So how do you explain the earthquakes before fracking took off?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22428691 - 10/24/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Global warming seems to be a fact, its hard to fake a thermometer reading. It also seems to bring more extreme weather including occasionally colder winters. That doesn't mean we have to shut down all factories to make up for it.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22428719 - 10/24/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Global warming seems to be a fact, its hard to fake a thermometer reading. It also seems to bring more extreme weather including occasionally colder winters. That doesn't mean we have to shut down all factories to make up for it.





I don't dispute global warming, I dispute man made climate change, it's bull, everyone knows it but there's too much money to be made off it, they'll never give it up


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22428893 - 10/24/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

There's far more money to be made off denial.

EXxon could face a lawsuit here very soon for covering up man made climate change.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22428928 - 10/24/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Global warming seems to be a fact, its hard to fake a thermometer reading. It also seems to bring more extreme weather including occasionally colder winters. That doesn't mean we have to shut down all factories to make up for it.





I don't dispute global warming, I dispute man made climate change, it's bull, everyone knows it but there's too much money to be made off it, they'll never give it up




Man made climate change isn't really disputable. Unless you think things like gravity and the shape of the earth are also up for debate.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22429072 - 10/24/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Study estimates economic impact of rising temperatures on agriculture and other industries.

Potential loss of 23% GDP worldwide.  This isn't talking about hurricanes, floods, or other environmental damage and those economic costs.  Just temperature change.

http://time.com/4082328/climate-change-economic-impact/

I bet after the election the GOP flip flops and throws EXxon and company under the bus.  To much money at stake for them to keep playing politics with this shit.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22429202 - 10/24/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

These fuckers can't even predict the weather next week, yet somehow they know what it's gonna be 50-100 years from now, it's fucking laughable


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22429203 - 10/24/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You give them too much credit. You're talking about coke money here... Koch money*


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22429208 - 10/24/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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These fuckers can't even predict the weather next week, yet somehow they know what it's gonna be 50-100 years from now, it's fucking laughable




It has little to do with the weather. Day to day weather anyway.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22429236 - 10/24/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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These fuckers can't even predict the weather next week, yet somehow they know what it's gonna be 50-100 years from now, it's fucking laughable




It has little to do with the weather. Day to day weather anyway.




Right, and the sun and the tilt of the earths axis has nothing to do with it either,

I remember after Katrina the climate hoaxers proudly proclaimed we would start seeing several of them every year, and that never happened

The gloom and doomers have been saying we only have 5-10 years since the 70's, no matter how times they are proved wrong, they just keep coming up with new hoaxes, it's ridiculous


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22430591 - 10/25/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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No.

We transport more by rail.  This accounts for the higher incident ratio.  Pipelines still spill more when they do spill.  In part because they're much harder to contain.

Over an eight year period we spilled three times as much from pipelines.



Do you know what a ratio is?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22431027 - 10/25/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Pipelines spill three times as much as trains when they do spill.  Trains are twice as likely to spill.  This is all per one billion barrel-miles of crude transport.

That works out to pipelines spilling 1.5 times as much crude per one billion barrel-miles of transport (if my math is right).

http://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/MTOMR2013_free.pdf

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You give them too much credit. You're talking about coke money here... Koch money*




Fossil Fuel companies do have a lot of lobbying power but so does the agricultural industry.  The GOP base also tends to be people that live in more rural communities that would be more affected by these changes.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22431118 - 10/25/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

They now have automatic shutoff systems for pipelines, you need to catch up with the latest developments. Those figures are old figures. Pipelines are now much safer than trains


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22431275 - 10/25/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We've had automatic shutoffs since at least 1997, when an automatic shutoff failed and 20,000 gallons spilled anyway.

Automatic shutoffs are not required by law either.  We just proposed a law that would increase the use of leak-detection systems and require companies to more closely analyze inspection results but would not mandate the use of automatic shutoff systems.

The data I posted was published in 2013.

If pipelines have really become that much safer in the last two years you'll have to produce a more compelling argument.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22432610 - 10/25/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We've had automatic shutoffs since at least 1997, when an automatic shutoff failed and 20,000 gallons spilled anyway.

Automatic shutoffs are not required by law either.  We just proposed a law that would increase the use of leak-detection systems and require companies to more closely analyze inspection results but would not mandate the use of automatic shutoff systems.

The data I posted was published in 2013.

If pipelines have really become that much safer in the last two years you'll have to produce a more compelling argument.




Automatic shut offs aside, more fossil fuels are burned to transport by rail than pipeline, isn't air pollution a concern?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22433026 - 10/25/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If Exxon foresaw the green movement back in the 80s it probably would been more beneficial to jump on that wagon and monopolize the industry two Decades before everyone else, rather than waste huge sums funding denial.


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