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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22345505 - 10/07/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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He was not signing off on all our debt, just most of it. And the jobs you speak of are mostly part time jobs, labor force participation is at the lowest level in nearly 40 years.




Yeah, right... Oh, and part time jobs are way better than no jobs, as many conservatives are okay with the concept of a child in China making a dollar a month, but at least it is a dollar.

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They are in deep denial




Yes, many, many are, this thread makes it quite evident. Although not the same "they" as you mention, but yeah, I agree.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22345525 - 10/07/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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>Ok, so at least we can establish that Obama is not responsible for the fantasy bankruptcy of the US

He was not signing off on all our debt, just most of it. And the jobs you speak of are mostly part time jobs, labor force participation is at the lowest level in nearly 40 years. How in hell can anyone be proud of what obumble has done?

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>Obama has been a house negro since day one, how did that workout for the liberal dreamers?  :lol:

They are in deep denial




I would say the large majority of liberals are no longer in denial about their old hero, I mean 7 years of NOTHING is hard to deny.  Some will never come around because they just don't seek the details, or they just rationalize the hypocrisy with "he's better than Bush". :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22345553 - 10/07/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I would say the large majority of liberals are no longer in denial about their old hero, I mean 7 years of NOTHING is hard to deny.  Some will never come around because they just don't seek the details, or they just rationalize the hypocrisy with "he's better than Bush". :huxleyfacepalm:




Except that "nothing" was quite a lot. Ah, if Obama was not a "negro"...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22345591 - 10/07/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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He was not signing off on all our debt, just most of it. And the jobs you speak of are mostly part time jobs, labor force participation is at the lowest level in nearly 40 years.




Yeah, right... Oh, and part time jobs are way better than no jobs, as many conservatives are okay with the concept of a child in China making a dollar a month, but at least it is a dollar.





"conservatives are okay with the concept of a child in China making a dollar a month"

Really?  It's just conservatives that are OK with this policy?  Maybe it's time for a reality check.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/deal-reached-on-pacific-rim-trade-pact/2015/10/05/7c567f00-6b56-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

It's look like liberal Obama is pumping a trade deal for even CHEAPER labor than China, crazy shit uhh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Negro

"the House Negro as having a better life than the field Negro, and thus being unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more LIKELY TO SUPPORT EXISTING POWER STRUCTURES"

Sound like anyone you know?  :smilingpuppy:


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22345619 - 10/07/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We got Sanders as an example of Democrat thought, on the other hand

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On the U.S. campaign trail, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, slammed the deal, saying that “Wall Street and other big corporations have won again.”




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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22346797 - 10/07/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you've skipped the post abt you recycling other's jokes to reply to this huh? you have a habit of not responding like that. it doesn't go unnoticed.

Here's the thing, Marx didn't write any political theories, you do realize that capitalism/communism is economic theory right? and past that Marx wrote a critique of capitalism, he added some ideas he thought would make it better.




Yeah, a hundred years ago, surely he is outdated and insignificant...




reiterating and deflecting conversation. you're leading me to support something old so you can make the simplistic connection of time that has past since, being similar. congrats, you don't understand how marxist theories and popular american opinion aren't quite relate-able.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman] * 1
    #22346812 - 10/07/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>"the House Negro as having a better life than the field Negro, and thus being unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more LIKELY TO SUPPORT EXISTING POWER STRUCTURES"

Sound like anyone you know?  :smilingpuppy:

Obumble threw the rest of the negroes under the bus and made them like it. The tpp, ttip, and the rest of the alphabet crap is a big stab in the back for the people who elected him. He kept it secret for a reason. It may take us 20 years to recover from the obumble fiascos.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22346861 - 10/07/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

^racist


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: airclay]
    #22346981 - 10/07/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you've skipped the post abt you recycling other's jokes to reply to this huh? you have a habit of not responding like that. it doesn't go unnoticed.

Here's the thing, Marx didn't write any political theories, you do realize that capitalism/communism is economic theory right? and past that Marx wrote a critique of capitalism, he added some ideas he thought would make it better.




Yeah, a hundred years ago, surely he is outdated and insignificant...




:lmafo:

I'll remember that the next time you use the founding fathers as support of an argument.

I'm sure Newton, Socrates and Galileo's ideas are worthless in the modern era also! Afterall, they lived far more than 100 years ago.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22347072 - 10/07/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you've skipped the post abt you recycling other's jokes to reply to this huh? you have a habit of not responding like that. it doesn't go unnoticed.

Here's the thing, Marx didn't write any political theories, you do realize that capitalism/communism is economic theory right? and past that Marx wrote a critique of capitalism, he added some ideas he thought would make it better.




Yeah, a hundred years ago, surely he is outdated and insignificant...




:lmafo:

I'll remember that the next time you use the founding fathers as support of an argument.

I'm sure Newton, Socrates and Galileo's ideas are worthless in the modern era also! Afterall, they lived far more than 100 years ago.




Context is important... Try to follow along...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22348019 - 10/07/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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you've skipped the post abt you recycling other's jokes to reply to this huh? you have a habit of not responding like that. it doesn't go unnoticed.

Here's the thing, Marx didn't write any political theories, you do realize that capitalism/communism is economic theory right? and past that Marx wrote a critique of capitalism, he added some ideas he thought would make it better.




Yeah, a hundred years ago, surely he is outdated and insignificant...




:lmafo:

I'll remember that the next time you use the founding fathers as support of an argument.

I'm sure Newton, Socrates and Galileo's ideas are worthless in the modern era also! Afterall, they lived far more than 100 years ago.




Context is important... Try to follow along...




I'm following just fine, are you? Marx was a philosopher, as was Socrates. I'm sure you wouldn't say the same of Adam Smith. It could be argued that the founding fathers were also philosophers, of sorts.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22348391 - 10/08/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm following just fine, are you? Marx was a philosopher, as was Socrates. I'm sure you wouldn't say the same of Adam Smith. It could be argued that the founding fathers were also philosophers, of sorts.




HAHAHAHAAHAH LOL  :loldongs:
Karl Marx's theory of alienation describes the estrangement (Ger. Entfremdung) of people from aspects of their Gattungswesen (“species-essence”) as a consequence of living in a society of stratified social classes. The alienation from the self is a consequence of being a mechanistic part of a social class, which condition estranges a person from his and her humanity.

Socrates believed that philosophy should achieve practical results for the greater well-being of society. He attempted to establish an ethical system based on human reason rather than theological doctrine. He pointed out that human choice was motivated by the desire for happiness. Ultimate wisdom comes from knowing oneself. The more a person knows, the greater his or her ability to reason and make choices that will bring true happiness. Socrates believed that this translated into politics with the best form of government being neither a tyranny nor a democracy. Instead, government worked best when ruled by individuals who had the greatest ability, knowledge, and virtue and possessed a complete understanding of themselves.
For Socrates, Athens was a classroom and he went about asking questions of the elite and common man alike, seeking to arrive at political and ethical truths. Socrates didn’t lecture about what he knew. In fact, he claimed to be ignorant because he had no ideas, but wise because he recognized his own ignorance. He asked questions of his fellow Athenians in a dialectic method (the Socratic Method) which compelled the audience to think through a problem to a logical conclusion. Sometimes the answer seemed so obvious, it made Socrates's opponents look foolish. For this, he was admired by some and vilified by others.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22348931 - 10/08/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

You're mixing some of Plato in with Socrates.  Socrates had some much faith in democracy he allowed his fellow Athenians to put him to death.  Plato's Republic, and many of his views on democracy, was a reaction to Socrates' execution.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: airclay]
    #22348983 - 10/08/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe the grandpa is right? Ever think about that?




nah, its fucking 2015




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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22350297 - 10/08/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm following just fine, are you? Marx was a philosopher, as was Socrates. I'm sure you wouldn't say the same of Adam Smith. It could be argued that the founding fathers were also philosophers, of sorts.




HAHAHAHAAHAH LOL  :loldongs:
Karl Marx's theory of alienation describes the estrangement (Ger. Entfremdung) of people from aspects of their Gattungswesen (“species-essence”) as a consequence of living in a society of stratified social classes. The alienation from the self is a consequence of being a mechanistic part of a social class, which condition estranges a person from his and her humanity.

Socrates believed that philosophy should achieve practical results for the greater well-being of society. He attempted to establish an ethical system based on human reason rather than theological doctrine. He pointed out that human choice was motivated by the desire for happiness. Ultimate wisdom comes from knowing oneself. The more a person knows, the greater his or her ability to reason and make choices that will bring true happiness. Socrates believed that this translated into politics with the best form of government being neither a tyranny nor a democracy. Instead, government worked best when ruled by individuals who had the greatest ability, knowledge, and virtue and possessed a complete understanding of themselves.
For Socrates, Athens was a classroom and he went about asking questions of the elite and common man alike, seeking to arrive at political and ethical truths. Socrates didn’t lecture about what he knew. In fact, he claimed to be ignorant because he had no ideas, but wise because he recognized his own ignorance. He asked questions of his fellow Athenians in a dialectic method (the Socratic Method) which compelled the audience to think through a problem to a logical conclusion. Sometimes the answer seemed so obvious, it made Socrates's opponents look foolish. For this, he was admired by some and vilified by others.




If you're going to quote wikipedia, put it in quotations.

Also, you haven't negated my point one ounce. I already know who all of these men were. They were all philosophers, and their philosophy is still as relevent, if not moreso, today as it was then.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22350301 - 10/08/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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airclay said:
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Maybe the grandpa is right? Ever think about that?




nah, its fucking 2015




Quoted for Bigbaldwoof, context buddy, context...

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Not exactly sure what you're going on about here.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22350685 - 10/08/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing some of Plato in with Socrates.  Socrates had some much faith in democracy he allowed his fellow Athenians to put him to death.  Plato's Republic, and many of his views on democracy, was a reaction to Socrates' execution.





puppetbackwriter is wrong again, per usual. The entire txt is from Biography.com, poor puppetback.



Socrates believed that philosophy should achieve practical results for the greater well-being of society. He attempted to establish an ethical system based on human reason rather than theological doctrine. He pointed out that human choice was motivated by the desire for happiness. Ultimate wisdom comes from knowing oneself. The more a person knows, the greater his or her ability to reason and make choices that will bring true happiness. Socrates believed that this translated into politics with the best form of government being neither a tyranny nor a democracy. Instead, government worked best when ruled by individuals who had the greatest ability, knowledge, and virtue and possessed a complete understanding of themselves.
For Socrates, Athens was a classroom and he went about asking questions of the elite and common man alike, seeking to arrive at political and ethical truths. Socrates didn’t lecture about what he knew. In fact, he claimed to be ignorant because he had no ideas, but wise because he recognized his own ignorance. He asked questions of his fellow Athenians in a dialectic method (the Socratic Method) which compelled the audience to think through a problem to a logical conclusion. Sometimes the answer seemed so obvious, it made Socrates's opponents look foolish. For this, he was admired by some and vilified by others.
http://www.biography.com/people/socrates-9488126


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22351597 - 10/08/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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You're mixing some of Plato in with Socrates.  Socrates had some much faith in democracy he allowed his fellow Athenians to put him to death.  Plato's Republic, and many of his views on democracy, was a reaction to Socrates' execution.





puppetbackwriter is wrong again, per usual. The entire txt is from Biography.com, poor puppetback.



Socrates believed that philosophy should achieve practical results for the greater well-being of society. He attempted to establish an ethical system based on human reason rather than theological doctrine. He pointed out that human choice was motivated by the desire for happiness. Ultimate wisdom comes from knowing oneself. The more a person knows, the greater his or her ability to reason and make choices that will bring true happiness. Socrates believed that this translated into politics with the best form of government being neither a tyranny nor a democracy. Instead, government worked best when ruled by individuals who had the greatest ability, knowledge, and virtue and possessed a complete understanding of themselves.
For Socrates, Athens was a classroom and he went about asking questions of the elite and common man alike, seeking to arrive at political and ethical truths. Socrates didn’t lecture about what he knew. In fact, he claimed to be ignorant because he had no ideas, but wise because he recognized his own ignorance. He asked questions of his fellow Athenians in a dialectic method (the Socratic Method) which compelled the audience to think through a problem to a logical conclusion. Sometimes the answer seemed so obvious, it made Socrates's opponents look foolish. For this, he was admired by some and vilified by others.
http://www.biography.com/people/socrates-9488126




You wrote it as if it were your own words. Luckily it's easy to differentiate your words from those of an intelligent person, but you should certainly put it in quotations with a reference.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22351607 - 10/08/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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burgerbrain said:
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paperbackwriter said:
You're mixing some of Plato in with Socrates.  Socrates had some much faith in democracy he allowed his fellow Athenians to put him to death.  Plato's Republic, and many of his views on democracy, was a reaction to Socrates' execution.





puppetbackwriter is wrong again, per usual. The entire txt is from Biography.com, poor puppetback.



Socrates believed that philosophy should achieve practical results for the greater well-being of society. He attempted to establish an ethical system based on human reason rather than theological doctrine. He pointed out that human choice was motivated by the desire for happiness. Ultimate wisdom comes from knowing oneself. The more a person knows, the greater his or her ability to reason and make choices that will bring true happiness. Socrates believed that this translated into politics with the best form of government being neither a tyranny nor a democracy. Instead, government worked best when ruled by individuals who had the greatest ability, knowledge, and virtue and possessed a complete understanding of themselves.
For Socrates, Athens was a classroom and he went about asking questions of the elite and common man alike, seeking to arrive at political and ethical truths. Socrates didn’t lecture about what he knew. In fact, he claimed to be ignorant because he had no ideas, but wise because he recognized his own ignorance. He asked questions of his fellow Athenians in a dialectic method (the Socratic Method) which compelled the audience to think through a problem to a logical conclusion. Sometimes the answer seemed so obvious, it made Socrates's opponents look foolish. For this, he was admired by some and vilified by others.
http://www.biography.com/people/socrates-9488126




You wrote it as if it were your own words. Luckily it's easy to differentiate your words from those of an intelligent person, but you should certainly put it in quotations with a reference.




I just added the reference. I guess you can't read very well.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22352431 - 10/08/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:carlinorgasm: I guess you're right :lol:


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