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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: airclay]
    #22342888 - 10/06/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe the grandpa is right? Ever think about that?




nah, its fucking 2015




Yup everything that's old now is taboo, hey what year was Marx around again? I forget...




you've skipped the post abt you recycling other's jokes to reply to this huh? you have a habit of not responding like that. it doesn't go unnoticed.

Here's the thing, Marx didn't write any political theories, you do realize that capitalism/communism is economic theory right? and past that Marx wrote a critique of capitalism, he added some ideas he thought would make it better.




Yeah, a hundred years ago, surely he is outdated and insignificant...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22342895 - 10/06/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Reagan was the best and he is the next Reagan.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #22343215 - 10/06/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ideas get better sometimes but good ideas are classics




Like slavery?

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you don't throw them out in favor of some commie manifesto.




Some static here, can't hear it good.

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Good ideas like working hard




"Arbeit macht frei"

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pay as you go




You saying Im athiefin'?

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don't over extend yourself




Such as what? Trillions in "necessary" weaponry and defense?

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etc.


my favorite

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The new left thinks everyone can go on welfare and the rich will pay for it all. That worked great in Russia, didn't it? Also great in cuba, etc.




About that, talk to my agent, you should write a book about the dystopia that goes around inside your mind. It would be a classic. Classic. Get it? :carlinorgasm:




You do realize that Europe has an advantage knowing the US will protect them, allowing them to spend more on thier welfare, for a time, but even that won't save them, socialism bankrupts every country it infects...




"Europe has an advantage knowing the US will protect them, allowing them to spend more on their welfare (state)"

This is very true and a fact that most liberals like to throw out the window when calculating the cost of social programs. When national security is on the cheap, everything else is appears affordable.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22343972 - 10/07/15 03:54 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. So national security is much more important than education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. About bankruptcy, tell me more about how the US escaped the financial crisis blooming in 2007 after spending over a trillion in defense. At least be a little bit logical. The US was bankrupted by Bush and his minions. And no socialism was necessary. Pure ol' savage capitalism.

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Yeah, you did rebutt, with silly insults, I certainly hope you are not in government, that would be a silly way to debate...




No, without silly insults. Your ideas and the way you pose them are silly, but let it be the way it is.


Don't know how to play, babe? Don't come down to playground. If you can't take the pressure of issues being spurted as they are, and of the ridicule that some opinions are, then don't debate politics. There should be a care bear forum around here somewhere...

As a matter of fact, I know it is not a silly way to debate. Ever participated on a real debate? Just stop whining like babies, it is really disturbing and I ceased to care.

Imagined if I insulted like you: "Those liberals" - you don't know me to have such prejudice.

"They always ignore... etc." No, they don't, and once again, I don't. So, spare us the boo-hoos.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22344145 - 10/07/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Obama has spent more than Bush, what does that tell you?

And without being able to defend your country, healthcare and education go right out the window, just look at Syria...


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22344155 - 10/07/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Really?

Countries are better destroyed from within.

In any case, some interesting numbers about 2016's budget proposed by Obama back in February:

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President Obama Proposes 2016 Budget

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New proposal includes spending above sequestration caps for defense and non-defense, and many initiatives that would be widely popular with Americans.

By: Jasmine Tucker and Lindsay Koshgarian

Today President Obama released his seventh budget proposal, requesting $4 trillion in fiscal year 2016. His proposal calls for $74 billion in additional discretionary spending above the sequestration caps set in place for the upcoming year. The additional spending would be about evenly split between defense and non-defense discretionary programs.

This budget request is President Obama’s first on-time budget proposal since 2011. Here are highlights of what the new budget proposal contains:
Total Spending and the Budget Control Act

In his budget proposal for 2016, President Obama proposed $4 trillion in total spending,[1] including more than $1.15 trillion in discretionary spending, an increase of about 2 percent relative to 2015 enacted levels. President Obama proposes spending levels for 2016 that exceed sequestration’s spending caps by $74 billion. Spending increases are about equally split between defense and non-defense program. Defense programs – including the Department of Defense, nuclear weapons, and related activities would receive $38 billion over fiscal 2016’s sequestration cap on defense programs while non-defense programs would receive an additional $37 billion above the sequestration cap. [2]

The president proposes $60 billion over 10 years for a new initiative that would allow students to attend community college for up to two years tuition free and would again provide expanded Head Start and universal pre-kindergarten.

The budget also includes $478 billion in additional infrastructure spending over the next six years, which would pay for surface transportation improvements such as roads and bridges. The president proposes to pay for this through various tax reforms.

    Sixty-two percent of Americans would favor raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations to fund national priorities such as education and job training. [3]

Notably, the plan includes $585 billion in discretionary funding for the Department of Defense, including a base budget of $534 billion, and war funding of $51 billion. This does not include separate programs through the Department of Energy for nuclear weapons, or other military spending. This would represent a significant increase over the analogous enacted 2015 spending level of $554 billion.
Taxes and Revenue

The president’s proposal would raise $3.5 trillion in tax revenue in fiscal year 2016, an increase of more than nine percent relative to 2015. It includes mechanisms for raising new tax revenues, through changes to taxes on capital gains and corporate profits, as well as new corporate fees. It also includes new proposed tax breaks.

    Six in 10 Americans believe wealthy individuals don’t pay their fair share in taxes.[4]

The budget proposal would bring in new revenues by changing how capital gains (income earned from investments in stocks, real estate, etc.) are taxed.  Specifically, the president would raise the top capital gains tax rate from 23.8 percent to 28 percent – the top rate under President Reagan – and would close the “trust fund loophole” under which capital gains that are inherited from a previous generation are never taxed. This would raise an estimated $208 billion over 10 years.

The budget would impose a new fee on financial institutions that engage in “excessive borrowing.” The new fee would raise $112 billion over 10 years.  The president would also reform the business tax system and close loopholes in order to shore up the nation’s Highway Trust Fund, expected to run out of funding in May 2015, for another six years.

The president’s budget includes a series of new or expanded tax breaks targeted at working and middle class Americans.  It would expand the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) to low-income childless workers and provides the credit to more workers based on income and age. It triples the current maximum child care tax credit to $3,000 per child. It would also create a new second-earner tax credit that would provide $500 to families where both spouses work, and it expands eligibility for the American Opportunity Tax Credit, a credit that helps students pay for college expenses. These middle-class tax breaks would be paid for by proposed changes to the capital gains tax and new financial services fee.
Education

The budget provides $70.7 billion in discretionary education funding in fiscal year 2016, an increase of five percent over the 2015 enacted level. The proposal includes a new federal-state initiative that would allow students to attend community college tuition-free for up to two years at a cost of $60 billion to the federal government over 10 years.

The president also requests $1 billion in new funding for Title I, the federal program that provides aid to schools serving disadvantaged students, as well as $4 billion for teacher training and recruitment programs.

The budget proposal also calls for $66 billion for the president’s signature Preschool for All initiative. It would also provide $15 billion over 10 years to continue and expand the existing home visiting program for young children. These and other initiatives would be paid for by raising an additional $95 billion over 10 years by increasing the tobacco tax.  The president also requests an additional $1.5 billion investment in the Head Start program over the 2015 spending level, among other investments.

    Sixty-seven percent of Americans say that improving the education system should be a top priority for the president and Congress in 2016.[5]

Military and War

The president’s budget proposal would spend $612 billion on national defense discretionary programs, including funding for the Pentagon, war, nuclear weapons, and other related expenses, a level higher than any under President Reagan. This represents a 4.5 percent increase over the 2015 enacted level and exceeds spending caps set by the Budget Control Act by $38 billion.

The proposal includes $534 billion for the Department of Defense base budget, a figure that does not include war costs or nuclear weapons activities within the Department of Energy. That represents a more than $38 billion increase – a more than 7 percent increase – relative to 2015 enacted spending levels and would be the highest Department of Defense base budget in history. The budget funds the development of 19 more F-35 fighter jets than were produced in 2015, despite the fact that the planes are billions over budget and years behind schedule.

The president also calls for nearly $51 billion in a separate account called the Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) for war activities, which would add to the more than $1.6 trillion the U.S. has already spent on war since 2001. The OCO budget includes $5.3 billion for continued operations against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Since OCO is not subject to funding caps or sequestration cuts, billions of dollars in the war budget have been widely referred to as a “slush fund.”
Climate Change

The president’s budget request includes measures to address climate change, such as an investment of $7.4 billion in clean energy technology programs, an area that received reduced funding under the fiscal year 2015 budget. It would also provide $1.29 billion for the Global Climate Change Initiative, which would reduce emissions from deforestation, expand clean and efficient energy use, and phase down chemicals with high global warming potential. It would also provide $4 billion over 10 years for a Clean Power State Incentive Fund to provide funding to states that achieve faster or greater than planned reductions in carbon emissions.

    Seventy-four percent of Americans believe the federal government should be doing a substantial amount to combat climate change.[6]

The proposal also requests smaller investments in climate resilience and preparedness programs, including funding for new mapping efforts for flood zones, drought and wildfire resilience, and more.
Social Security

The president’s proposal would support a transfer of funds from Social Security’s retirement program to its disability insurance program to ensure the continued viability of the disability benefits program until further changes can be made in Congress. This contradicts a rule proposed by House lawmakers in January that would prevent such transfers. Reallocating funds from one trust fund to another, which Congress has done 11 times in the past, has historically been a non-controversial measure that prevents cuts to Social Security benefits.

    Two in three Americans believe making the Social Security system sound should be a top priority for the president and Congress in 2016.[7]

The budget would also close loopholes that allow some high-income individuals to avoid Medicare and Social Security payroll taxes, which could provide the program with as much as $10 billion more per year by the end of the decade.
Health Care

The president’s budget proposes changes to Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs run by the Department of Health and Human Services that would result in $400 billion in savings over 10 years. For example, the proposal would ask Medicare beneficiaries to pay more for their health care coverage and would introduce a co-payment for Medicare beneficiaries who receive home health care services.
Budget Deficit

The president’s budget proposal would run a deficit of $474 billion in fiscal year 2016, down from $583 in 2015. It would also raise $638 billion in new revenues specifically for deficit reduction in 2016 and plans to achieve $1.8 trillion in total deficit reduction over 10 years from closing tax loopholes, changes to the Medicare Trust Fund and the Affordable Care Act (also known as Obamacare), and positive economic consequences of immigration reform.

As a share of the U.S. economy, the deficit is expected to be 2.5 percent in 2016, down from a high of 10 percent in 2009 following the Great Recession. Budget deficits are common; in the last half century, the U.S. ran a budget deficit in 44 out of 50 years. Budget deficits have averaged 3.1 percent of the U.S. economy since 1930.


What Is the President’s Budget Request?

Federal law requires that the president submit a budget proposal to Congress every February, which serves as a starting point for negotiations in Congress. The proposal begins the annual federal budget process that creates the budget for the coming fiscal year, which begins on Oct. 1. For more on who decides the federal budget, see Federal Budget 101.
Why Does the President’s Budget Matter?

Though the budget ultimately enacted by Congress may look very different from the budget request released by the president, the president’s budget is important. It’s the president’s vision for the country in fiscal year 2016 and beyond, and it reflects input and spending requests from every federal agency. At a time of conflict over federal spending, the president’s budget is largely a political document – but an important one, because it shows the president’s priorities in detail. It also serves as a benchmark against which all subsequent spending legislation will be measured.



For additional analysis of the President’s fiscal 2016 budget, see NPP’s President's 2016 Budget in Pictures.
Footnotes

    Spending on Government (administration) is less than zero and omitted in the total spending pie chart. Lower than zero spending can occur when segments of government have surpluses from previous years that they return to the federal government.
    The Budget Control Act of 2011 set in place discretionary spending caps that would take effect if lawmakers did not meet deficit reduction goals set forth in the law, which they did not.
    AFL-CIO/Hart Research poll, conducted November 4, 2014.
    Gallup poll, conducted April 3-6, 2014.
    Pew Research poll, conducted Jan 7-11, 2015.
    New York Times/Stanford University/Resources for the Future poll, conducted January 7-22, 2015.
    Pew Research poll, conducted Jan 7-11, 2015.






https://www.nationalpriorities.org/analysis/2015/president-obamas-2016-budget/


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22344427 - 10/07/15 09:13 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes. So national security is much more important than education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. About bankruptcy, tell me more about how the US escaped the financial crisis blooming in 2007 after spending over a trillion in defense. At least be a little bit logical. The US was bankrupted by Bush and his minions. And no socialism was necessary. Pure ol' savage capitalism.





"So national security is much more important than education, healthcare, infrastructure, ect."

Ask France in 1940 what was more important. :lol:

"The US was bankrupted by Bush and his minions. And no socialism was necessary"

The US debt has been accumulated by many different administrations for many different reasons, but what does that have to do with European nations having more money to spend of socialist programs than the US?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22344439 - 10/07/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Obumble is the one who bankrupted us. He jacked up the debt more than all other presidents before him. It figures a left winger would lie about something like that. Next, they will blame the aca on bush and maybe Syria too.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22344447 - 10/07/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

We could still be safe and spend far less than we do now.


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    #22344483 - 10/07/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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We could still be safe and spend far less than we do now.




That's a very fair point for sure, I guess what we can never really find out is the return on investment from our overseas military "presence".

It's not like the US can say "if we don't have this military strength in certain parts in the world, we will lose this outcome", which helps all US citizens and their standard of living. Bottom line, the US can't brag about being a bully on the global stage.

Let's fact it, many others (China, Russia, others) in our position wouldn't give the power away and let someone else have it.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22344527 - 10/07/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

More recent than the founding fathers and the prophets of capitalism


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22344560 - 10/07/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>what we can never really find out is the return on investment from our overseas military "presence".

The return is worldwide hatred and condemnation. That is what we have accomplished.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22344779 - 10/07/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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>what we can never really find out is the return on investment from our overseas military "presence".

The return is worldwide hatred and condemnation. That is what we have accomplished.




thats the seen and vocal return, qman is saying theres an unspoken advantage of global military presence, and thats difficult to quantify.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22345213 - 10/07/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

If Obama bankrupted us, why are general cirumstances (GDP growth, jobs gaines, DOW at high, etc.) way better than Bush's time?

And what can Trump do to improve the situation?

(Although now we have the Dr. Carson Phenomenon with which to deal)


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22345321 - 10/07/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If Obama bankrupted us, why are general cirumstances (GDP growth, jobs gaines, DOW at high, etc.) way better than Bush's time?

And what can Trump do to improve the situation?

(Although now we have the Dr. Carson Phenomenon with which to deal)




The President and the state of the economy aren't correlated, should I personally blame Obama that the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years occurred during his terms?  I don't.

"what can Trump do to improve the situation"

Tariffs, deportation of illegals, and has the luxury of telling lobbyists to piss off.


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    #22345343 - 10/07/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Tariffs, deportation of illegals, and has the luxury of telling lobbyists to piss off.




Ok, so at least we can establish that Obama is not responsible for the fantasy bankruptcy of the US.

About depporting illegals, once again, good luck with the implementation of acceptable laws.

About telling lobbyists to piss off... Well, as a lobbyist himself I must admit I find it difficult that he will not warm up even more to them.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22345349 - 10/07/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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If Obama bankrupted us, why are general cirumstances (GDP growth, jobs gaines, DOW at high, etc.) way better than Bush's time?

And what can Trump do to improve the situation?

(Although now we have the Dr. Carson Phenomenon with which to deal)




GDP growth is terrible, 1.5-2.25 is terrible and not nearly enough to keep up with govt spending, job gains are low too, the Dow? I thought you libs hated big corporations and banks??? The high Dow regardless is due to low interest rates and QE, both of which are unsustainable...

Bush also inherited a recession, fought two wars and we were at full employment for most of his presidency...

There's two trillion overseas, trumps ideas for bringing some of that back are well received by financial analysts, even a quarter of it would be a massive stimulus for the economy, no govt intervention necessary...

How much has Obama added to the debt???


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    #22345442 - 10/07/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Tariffs, deportation of illegals, and has the luxury of telling lobbyists to piss off.




Ok, so at least we can establish that Obama is not responsible for the fantasy bankruptcy of the US.

About depporting illegals, once again, good luck with the implementation of acceptable laws.

About telling lobbyists to piss off... Well, as a lobbyist himself I must admit I find it difficult that he will not warm up even more to them.




He's admitted to buying off politicians for financial gain, the fact that he's acknowledging the corruption in politics is a good sign. When was the last time you heard a politician mention the word "corporate lobbyist"?

How does a lobbyist buy off a politician that doesn't need the money?    They can't.

Obama has been a house negro since day one, how did that workout for the liberal dreamers?  :lol:


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    #22345448 - 10/07/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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GDP growth is terrible, 1.5-2.25 is terrible and not nearly enough to keep up with govt spending,




Compared to last Republican president:

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Obama                2.0%

GW Bush              1.6%




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job gains are low too, the Dow? I thought you libs hated big corporations and banks???




You "libs" is way too many "libs" and "you"s.

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The high Dow regardless is due to low interest rates and QE, both of which are unsustainable...




What's exactly new here?

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Bush also inherited a recession, fought two wars and we were at full employment for most of his presidency...




Not as severe as Obama's. But here are some numbers:

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U.S. Economy Created Six Times As Many Jobs Under Obama Than Bush
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U.S. Economy Created Six Times As Many Jobs Under Obama Than Bush
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After the harsh winter weather that helped bring U.S. economic growth to standstill, the strong May jobs report came as very good news. The U.S. added 280,000 new jobs and saw signs that wage growth is picking up steam. Even the uptick in the unemployment rate to 5.5 percent represents a positive development, as more job seekers are reentering the workforce.

But those happy developments for the American people are a problem for the Republican Party and its 2016 presidential candidates. After the GOP's comical failure in 2012 to pretend "Obama made the economy worse," House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) could only complain, "After so many years of little growth, few jobs, and stagnant wages, America must do more than just take one step forward for every two steps back." But it is would-be White House occupant Jeb Bush who has the biggest challenge of all. Obama, it turns out, has now created six times as many jobs as Jeb's brother George W. did in eight years in office.
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Back on January 9, 2009, the reliably Republican Wall Street Journal published a helpful analysis titled, "Bush on Jobs: The Worst Track Record on Record." Last week, Bill McBride of Calculated Risk provided an updated analysis to show just how dismal. Some of the highlights:

    During Dubya's two terms in office, the U.S. economy created just 1.3 million new jobs. So far, six times more--7.7 million jobs--have been added 28 months into President Obama's second term.
    The private sector actually lost 463,000 jobs under George W. Bush. In contrast, Obama has presided over 63 straight months of private sector job creation, 8.3 million in all.
    Under small government Republican George W. Bush, the public sector at all levels grew by 1.7 million workers. In contrast, federal, state and local governments have shed 638,000 jobs since Barack Obama first took the oath of office.

Let that settle in for a moment. Barack Obama wasn't only facing the greatest financial collapse since the Great Depression. The Obama recovery alone in modern American history was undermined by the overall contraction of government at all levels. The mythmaking of Kevin McCarthy aside, Obama's expansion have been more robust if Republicans on Capitol Hill and in state and local governments hadn't stood in his way. DC Republicans didn't just block Obama initiatives like the American Jobs Act and infrastructure investment that could have boosted employment when unemployment was mired at 9 percent and strangle job creation and consumer confidence with their debt ceiling hostage-taking. The destructive austerity policies of state and local governments created an "anti-stimulus," with layoffs of public sector workers and cuts to spending that only served to undermine the gains from the stimulus. By May 2013, the Hamilton Institute estimated those austerity policies cost 2.2 American million jobs and resulted in the slowest recovery since World War II. In April 2012, the Economic Policy Institute explained why:

    The current recovery is the only one that has seen public-sector losses over its first 31 months...If public-sector employment had grown since June 2009 by the average amount it grew in the three previous recoveries (2.8 percent) instead of shrinking by 2.5 percent, there would be 1.2 million more public-sector jobs in the U.S. economy today. In addition, these extra public-sector jobs would have helped preserve about 500,000 private-sector jobs.

To put it another way, "Democrats saved the economy; Republicans tried to kill it." And as the job numbers continue to show, Barack Obama is just the latest to show the economy almost always does better when a Democrat is in the White House. Compared to Jeb Bush's brother, about six times better.




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There's two trillion overseas, trumps ideas for bringing some of that back are well received by financial analysts, even a quarter of it would be a massive stimulus for the economy, no govt intervention necessary...




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Interesting that "The Economists" does not see it quite that way.

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  Donald Trump's tax plan is a fantasy
Sep 28th 2015, 14:47 by H.C.

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IT takes a certain chutzpah to propose bigger tax cuts than your rival, claim your plan is cheaper and then suggest your sums add up due to “common sense”. This is what Donald Trump, the iconoclastic frontrunner for the Republican nomination, did on the morning of September 28th, when he became the second leading Republican candidate to publish a tax plan, following Jeb Bush’s effort earlier this month. Critics of Mr Bush’s plan said it was a giveaway for high-earners, funded by optimistic assumptions about its effect on growth. On both counts, Mr Trump, who has never suffered from a lack of gall, makes Mr Bush look positively pussyfooted.

The plan burnishes Mr Trump’s Republican credentials by giving high earners whacking tax cuts. Individuals earning more than $150,000 will see their marginal tax rate fall from close to 40% now to 25%, three percentage points lower than under Mr Bush’s plan. Whereas the former Governor of Florida wants merely to double the standard deduction, the amount that can be earned before paying tax, to $11,300, Mr Trump would quadruple it, to $25,000 (or $50,000 for a married couple). This would remove more than half of households from the income tax rolls altogether, he says.

The outdoing does not end there. Mr Trump is more aggressive on corporation tax, too, promising to lower the levy on company profits to 15% rather than 20% under Bush. Furthermore, 15% would be the most any business would pay on their income—including self-employed freelancers. Even with big cuts to income tax, letting freelancers pay only 15% tax on their earnings would create a sharp and unwelcome incentive to masquerade as self-employed.

What would this largesse cost? Mr Bush’s number crunchers reckoned his plan, which is modest in comparison, would reduce annual receipts by $376 billion, or about 7.5%, by 2025, before accounting for its effect on the economy. Allow—optimistically—for a boost to growth of half a percentage point per year, and the cost falls by two thirds. Mr Trump provides no such detailed estimates but claims, incredibly, that his plan pays for itself. In his press conference, Mr Trump suggested that under his stewardship, the economy might achieve annual growth of five or six percent. That would certainly pay for huge tax cuts, but is a fantasy.

Mr Trump does suggest some new sources of revenue. He would eliminate many tax deductions, most of which remain unspecified. In particular, the controversial “carried interest” deduction, beloved of partners in private equity firms and hedge funds, would go. This raises, perhaps, $1 billion-2 billion. But Mr Bush promised this too, so it was included in his costings. Mr Trump would cap the tax-deductibility of debt interest. But Mr Bush would abolish it altogether, saving more. The only part of Mr Trump’s plan which is clearly cheaper than Mr Bush’s pertains to the overseas profits of American corporations. Unlike Mr Bush, Mr Trump would keep taxing these earnings (though companies will no longer be able to defer paying until the money is brought back, ending the incentive to stash cash overseas).

Mr Trump is supposed to be a new kind of politician; a straight-talker who, freed from the usual constraints of politics by his billions, tells it like it is. But promising to fund tax cuts by closing unspecified loopholes is an old political wheeze. Mr Trump says the country’s “top” economists helped to develop his plan; alas, for now they remain anonymous. Any contributor would be wise to stay in the background. Mr Trump’s plan is twaddle.




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How much has Obama added to the debt???




You tell me.

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qman said:


Tariffs, deportation of illegals, and has the luxury of telling lobbyists to piss off.




I know a politician who always said that he "steals, but makes it done." Not very much your example, as he is wanted by the Interpol for over a decade now.

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Obama has been a house negro since day one, how did that workout for the liberal dreamers?  :lol:




Negro, hu? That is your "reasoning" logic? Expressing blunt racism?


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    #22345474 - 10/07/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

>Ok, so at least we can establish that Obama is not responsible for the fantasy bankruptcy of the US

He was not signing off on all our debt, just most of it. And the jobs you speak of are mostly part time jobs, labor force participation is at the lowest level in nearly 40 years. How in hell can anyone be proud of what obumble has done?

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>Obama has been a house negro since day one, how did that workout for the liberal dreamers?  :lol:

They are in deep denial


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