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Enlil
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I still don't know what you mean by socialist education, and you keep saying it. I think you're probably just making shit up as you go along.
I predict that you won't be around long anyway, so I'm not going to bother.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22294869 - 09/26/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I still don't know what you mean by socialist education, and you keep saying it. I think you're probably just making shit up as you go along.
I predict that you won't be around long anyway, so I'm not going to bother.
Heh, with statists who argue semantics all day.. why stick around? I thought I would find people here who disagree with the government, instead I found people who wouldn't survive a day without the government so they have to suck up to it.
And some are MODS? WTF is this craigslist?
Stupid in America
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22294880 - 09/26/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another factor ruining the schools is the fact many students (cough minority) don't want to learn, could care less about working a legit job. They plan to be either rap stars or big time dope dealers. If they have any plans at all. Teachers are no longer allowed to discipline students so they get away with loads of shit and stop the other students from learning.
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Enlil
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294902 - 09/26/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We finally agree on something, stoney, but those students aren't born like that. They learn that from their shitty parents and/or grandparents.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: Another factor ruining the schools is the fact many students (cough minority) don't want to learn, could care less about working a legit job. They plan to be either rap stars or big time dope dealers. If they have any plans at all. Teachers are no longer allowed to discipline students so they get away with loads of shit and stop the other students from learning.
"Teachers are no longer allowed to disciple students"
For sure and the students know that at a very young age today.
Also, my sister works in a nice public school system, the school is required by law to let children that are mentally retarded to attend regular classes now, these children are in wheelchairs and shit themselves, they also can't speak or even hold a pencil, yet the school has to deal with these kids, it's a fucking disaster.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22295372 - 09/26/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: We finally agree on something, stoney, but those students aren't born like that. They learn that from their shitty parents and/or grandparents.
They also learn it from the commie socialist teachers who award prizes for participation. Are you really that uninformed about the nature of education today and that it is completeky controlled by left wing whackjobs?
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22295379 - 09/26/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Someone take zappas car keys.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
#22295412 - 09/26/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Look who uses the word "honest". I haven't seen an honest argument out of enlil yet. He is obviously still butthurt from the last time I pointed that out. Nit picking, splitting hairs, and using tortured semantics is not honest debate.
 
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: zappaisgod]
#22295443 - 09/26/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zap aught to know. His pride and joy came home from uni spouting Marxist slogans. As you can imagine there was no joy in mudville.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: zappaisgod]
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Enlil said: We finally agree on something, stoney, but those students aren't born like that. They learn that from their shitty parents and/or grandparents.
They also learn it from the commie socialist teachers who award prizes for participation. Are you really that uninformed about the nature of education today and that it is completeky controlled by left wing whackjobs?
The reason the school system is 'controlled by left-wing whackjobs' is because as people get educated they move away from right-wing garbage.
Look at the right wingers around here. Honestly, take a good look. These are not serious people, or at least people to take seriously. Not the sort anyone wants teaching children. Qman and you are the only two who actually know how to have a fairly intelligent discussion, that I can think of.
Right-wing politics aren't even a bad thing in my mind (though I disagree with most of it). However, they have devolved into the party of idiot, gun toting, religious nutcases who salute figures like Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, and fucking Glenn Beck/Alex Jones.
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The Ecstatic
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I hate to generalize but my god if this subforum isnt a petri dish of American politics.
Liberal: [well thought out premise and explanation]
Conservative: lolol commie socialist libtard
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It's not that all educators are liberals, but they end up being forced to teach and enforce liberal ideologies.
I knew a few public school teachers in the past, they weren't liberal at all, yet they admitted once they walked into that school every morning they turned on that liberal persona to make their professional career survive.
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The Ecstatic said: I hate to generalize but my god if this subforum isnt a petri dish of American politics.
Liberal: [well thought out premise and explanation]
Conservative: lolol commie socialist libtard
Exactly. I can't even talk to some of them. Not don't want to - can't.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
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qman said: It's not that all educators are liberals, but they end up being forced to teach and enforce liberal ideologies.
I knew a few public school teachers in the past, they weren't liberal at all, yet they admitted once they walked into that school every morning they turned on that liberal persona to make their professional career survive.
By liberal persona do you mean not proselytizing Christianity or demonizing minorities?
I went to public school almost exclusively in the South. You would not believe what the more conservative teachers got outraged over. Or maybe you would idk.
But its like woof said, as you get more educated, you come into contact with more liberals. This is not a coincidence, nor a conspiracy.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
#22295648 - 09/26/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: It's not that all educators are liberals, but they end up being forced to teach and enforce liberal ideologies.
I knew a few public school teachers in the past, they weren't liberal at all, yet they admitted once they walked into that school every morning they turned on that liberal persona to make their professional career survive.
You're telling me that public school teachers are forced to be Liberals? My biology teacher in highschool brought up evolution ONE TIME, to laugh at the idea. I'm from fucking Michigan, not Alabama!
I never learned about evolution until I investigated on my own.
My Economics teacher was as conservative as a person could be. He literally kicked me out of his class for the remainder of the year at one point (which I'm not even sure was legal).
I certainly understand that neo-liberalism can be fucking retarded with the overbearing censorship. I hate the idea that nobody should ever say anything offensive. I have the right to offend people, and I enjoy the fuck out of it! Ideology, in the hands of poorly informed lay people, often devolves into a formless, senseless, garble of enthusiastic mindlessness.
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qman
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qman said: It's not that all educators are liberals, but they end up being forced to teach and enforce liberal ideologies.
I knew a few public school teachers in the past, they weren't liberal at all, yet they admitted once they walked into that school every morning they turned on that liberal persona to make their professional career survive.
By liberal persona do you mean not proselytizing Christianity or demonizing minorities?
I went to public school almost exclusively in the South. You would not believe what the more conservative teachers got outraged over. Or maybe you would idk.
But its like woof said, as you get more educated, you come into contact with more liberals. This is not a coincidence, nor a conspiracy.
Well, this was in New Jersey. The guy I'm talking about started his teaching career over 30 years ago, things were different back then.
It was expected that students respected their teachers and the administration would back them up, today when a student has a academic or disciplinary issue the teacher tends to be automatically at fault. The student holds no accountability anymore, it's very frustrating from a teacher's perspective today.
Yeah, I imagine that going to public schools in the South could really suck in a lot of ways depending on the community.
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qman said: It's not that all educators are liberals, but they end up being forced to teach and enforce liberal ideologies.
I knew a few public school teachers in the past, they weren't liberal at all, yet they admitted once they walked into that school every morning they turned on that liberal persona to make their professional career survive.
You're telling me that public school teachers are forced to be Liberals? My biology teacher in highschool brought up evolution ONE TIME, to laugh at the idea. I'm from fucking Michigan, not Alabama!
I never learned about evolution until I investigated on my own.
My Economics teacher was as conservative as a person could be. He literally kicked me out of his class for the remainder of the year at one point (which I'm not even sure was legal).
I certainly understand that neo-liberalism can be fucking retarded with the overbearing censorship. I hate the idea that nobody should ever say anything offensive. I have the right to offend people, and I enjoy the fuck out of it! Ideology, in the hands of poorly informed lay people, often devolves into a formless, senseless, garble of enthusiastic mindlessness.
It's not even strictly about the academics, it's the educational experience.
The high school my nieces attended had 1/3 of the student body on the honor roll every semester, WTF? It's like that in most schools today, a C is like a F now.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
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I see what youre saying, and definitely agree that somewhere along the way teachers became the problem and notnthe students or parents, but i dont see how thats liberals' fault.
If anything its the right that demonizes teachers.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
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qman said: It was expected that students respected their teachers and the administration would back them up, today when a student has a academic or disciplinary issue the teacher tends to be automatically at fault. The student holds no accountability anymore, it's very frustrating from a teacher's perspective today.
I hate it that kids don't have any respect for adults anymore. I don't think this is a 'liberal' thing, though it may be. I think teachers abused their positions for a long time, and now people take the kids side for everything. I don't think it's right. I don't do it with my kid.
If you haven't noticed, whenever there is an issue in society, by the time it's finally addressed there is a lot of overcompensation.
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qman said: It was expected that students respected their teachers and the administration would back them up, today when a student has a academic or disciplinary issue the teacher tends to be automatically at fault. The student holds no accountability anymore, it's very frustrating from a teacher's perspective today.
I hate it that kids don't have any respect for adults anymore. I don't think this is a 'liberal' thing, though it may be. I think teachers abused their positions for a long time, and now people take the kids side for everything. I don't think it's right. I don't do it with my kid.
If you haven't noticed, whenever there is an issue in society, by the time it's finally addressed there is a lot of overcompensation.
It's crazy when a 11 year old tells a teacher to go fuck themself and the whole classroom laughs for a few minutes, and then the teacher sends the student to the office and the Principle later tells the teacher to learn how to deal with the child or else.
I remember my 5th grade teacher lifted a boy in class by his shirt 4 feet off the ground into the wall for talking disrespectful to him, it never happened again. The parent and the Principle would have agreed back then (35 years ago).
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