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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22293789 - 09/26/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds like Brenner doesn't understand English.  Education isn't a means of production.




So you're saying that good students and good workers aren't "produced"?

So what does the socialist school system produce then?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22293817 - 09/26/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing.  People aren't produced.  Goods are produced.  Education is a service similar to policing and firefighting.  There is nothing socialist about society funding any of these services.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22293831 - 09/26/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Nothing.  People aren't produced.  Goods are produced.  Education is a service similar to policing and firefighting.  There is nothing socialist about society funding any of these services.




I agree! The Socialist school system produces nothing. If we had a more capitalistic approach then the School system would produce Good students and Good workers.

So you're saying that the Government stealing from my wallet to pay for some illegal immigrant to go to school is Capitalism? LOL


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22293888 - 09/26/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no socialist school system, but I can see that you missed that point.  You're just like every other rabid republican and democrat...so blindly loyal to your team that you can't even reason your way through the most basic of issues without relying on the rhetoric of your party.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22293895 - 09/26/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no socialist school system, but I can see that you missed that point.  You're just like every other rabid republican and democrat...so blindly loyal to your team that you can't even reason your way through the most basic of issues without relying on the rhetoric of your party.





Way to resort to personal attacks. Why can't you answer the question instead of just parrot the same old "The Socialist School system is not Socialist" crap?

If our current School system is not Socialist then what is it? It's not Capitalist, buddy.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22293900 - 09/26/15 02:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not an economic system.  Socialism is an economic system.  Capitalism is an economic system.  Whether a particular society funds police, fire, and schools with public funds has nothing to do with that society's economic system.

Your question is like asking whether an avocado is socialist or capitalist.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22293924 - 09/26/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not an economic system.  Socialism is an economic system.  Capitalism is an economic system.  Whether a particular society funds police, fire, and schools with public funds has nothing to do with that society's economic system.




The trade of GOODS AND SERVICES belong to an economic system whether you like it or not-someone has to pay for these programs you speak of.

So why are police, fire, and schools immune from being categorized Socialist or Capitalist?  LOL. what do you call it these programs, again?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22293931 - 09/26/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because capitalism and socialism are defined by who controls the means of production...not the offering of services.  I didn't make these words up or their definitions, but you seem to want to do so for your convenience.

An avocado is not socialist or capitalist

Public education is not socialist or capitalist.

You can scream all of the rhetoric you want, but the meanings of the words don't change just because you want them to.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22293968 - 09/26/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Because capitalism and socialism are defined by who controls the means of production...not the offering of services.  I didn't make these words up or their definitions, but you seem to want to do so for your convenience.

An avocado is not socialist or capitalist

Public education is not socialist or capitalist.

You can scream all of the rhetoric you want, but the meanings of the words don't change just because you want them to.





"Because capitalism and socialism are defined by who controls the means of production...not the offering of services."

LOL you're too funny.

So, according to you, the Government could take over every SERVICE in the nation and that just wouldn't be socialism at all. If they take over the production of a good, that would be Socialism! Good logic there, statist.


socialism
noun so·cial·ism \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22293993 - 09/26/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Words mean what they mean, kid:shrug:  If you don't like something, it doesn't automatically become socialist.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22294000 - 09/26/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Words mean what they mean, kid:shrug:  If you don't like something, it doesn't automatically become socialist.




"Because capitalism and socialism are defined by who controls the means of production...not the offering of services." -Enlil

LOL you obviously don't know the meaning of Socialism, kiddo.


socialism
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22294018 - 09/26/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I see you took a heading of a Webster definition and conveniently omitted the actual full definition:


"1:  any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


2a :  a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b :  a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3:  a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"



All governments own things.  That doesn't mean all governments are socialist.  Public education, police, fire, military, etc. is not socialism.  Find me a single modern nation on the planet that doesn't have a publically funded police system.



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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22294061 - 09/26/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoy how you statists love to argue semantics and defend your government bread and butter.

Do you know what "Major Industries" are? Major Industries do not only Produce Goods, they produce SERVICES.

Every country has a police force, so what. Ever heard of a private security guard?


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22294158 - 09/26/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's not a semantics argument just because you're fucking clueless.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22294171 - 09/26/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not a semantics argument just because you're fucking clueless.




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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22294182 - 09/26/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

There is no argument.

You don't know the definition of a word. Period.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22294195 - 09/26/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no argument.

You don't know the definition of a word. Period.





Obviously you can't read, I already posted the definition:

socialism
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22294202 - 09/26/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I see you took a heading of a Webster definition and conveniently omitted the actual full definition:


"1:  any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


2a :  a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b :  a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3:  a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"



All governments own things.  That doesn't mean all governments are socialist.  Public education, police, fire, military, etc. is not socialism.  Find me a single modern nation on the planet that doesn't have a publically funded police system.






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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22294222 - 09/26/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Weird how you omitted the definition.

socialism
noun so·cial·ism \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\

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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: burgerbrain]
    #22294452 - 09/26/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well, you clearly don't want anything resembling an intellectually honest discussion.  You and Stonehenge should be BFFs.


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