|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
|
Quote:
paperbackwriter said: The GOP has shot down a number of bipartisan bills for apparently no other reason than to make Obama look incompetent.
Then when Obama started pushing executive authority to get shit done they cried about overreach.
Obama is incompetent and certainly doesn't need any help showing it...
Yes, all illegals should be deported, why are American citizens subject to live under our laws but non Americans are not?
Imagine if 11 million hard working otherwise law abiding citizens decided to stop paying federal income tax, would the govt just throw their hands up and say "well, there's too many of them, can't catch them all"? Hell no! They'd hunt them down and tear apart their families, incarcerating the "offenders"...
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
|
Far more than 11 million don't pay federal income tax.
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22268950 - 09/21/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Enlil said: Far more than 11 million don't pay federal income tax.
Are you referring to those in poverty or those who evade?
|
Count of Sabugosa
Nerdy floater



Registered: 08/20/15
Posts: 939
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
|
|
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
paperbackwriter said: The GOP has shot down a number of bipartisan bills for apparently no other reason than to make Obama look incompetent.
Then when Obama started pushing executive authority to get shit done they cried about overreach.
Obama is incompetent and certainly doesn't need any help showing it...
Yes, all illegals should be deported, why are American citizens subject to live under our laws but non Americans are not?
Imagine if 11 million hard working otherwise law abiding citizens decided to stop paying federal income tax, would the govt just throw their hands up and say "well, there's too many of them, can't catch them all"? Hell no! They'd hunt them down and tear apart their families, incarcerating the "offenders"...
The offenders most frequently offending are white, anglo saxon Americans. Right there, a fact checker. Incompetent why? Hard facts, please.
Quote:
Enlil said: Far more than 11 million don't pay federal income tax.
What about loopholes to large corporations? How much taxes to they save? Not mentioning, of course, those who deal outside the US to evade taxes? Where are the rants against that?
-------------------- In Hebrew, the words "wine" and "secret" hold the same numerologic value. When wine comes in, secrets spill out. Do you think the person who said that knew mushrooms? When mushrooms come in... Is there anything beyond a secret?
Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/21/15 11:24 AM)
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
|
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
Enlil said: Far more than 11 million don't pay federal income tax.
Are you referring to those in poverty or those who evade?
Those, and the over 100 million who are neither in poverty nor evading.
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
Count of Sabugosa
Nerdy floater



Registered: 08/20/15
Posts: 939
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
|
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22268961 - 09/21/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Source?
-------------------- In Hebrew, the words "wine" and "secret" hold the same numerologic value. When wine comes in, secrets spill out. Do you think the person who said that knew mushrooms? When mushrooms come in... Is there anything beyond a secret?
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,474
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
|
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22268990 - 09/21/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Enlil said:
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
Enlil said: Far more than 11 million don't pay federal income tax.
Are you referring to those in poverty or those who evade?
Those, and the over 100 million who are neither in poverty nor evading.
Oh, you mean those that follow tax laws mostly written by democrats?
Tax write offs are not "subsidies", neither is using tax law tax evasion...
|
luvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 34,247
Loc: Lost In Space
|
|
Quote:
royque1980 said: Source?

How could a 'political scientist' person NOT know that there's a huge number of Americans that in the end, pay no federal tax?
I'd demand my tuition money back if I were you.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
|
Count of Sabugosa
Nerdy floater



Registered: 08/20/15
Posts: 939
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
|
|
Yeah... How about any source, please?
-------------------- In Hebrew, the words "wine" and "secret" hold the same numerologic value. When wine comes in, secrets spill out. Do you think the person who said that knew mushrooms? When mushrooms come in... Is there anything beyond a secret?
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
|
|
Count of Sabugosa
Nerdy floater



Registered: 08/20/15
Posts: 939
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
|
|
Thanks!
Quote:
hostileuniverse said:
Quote:
Enlil said: http://www.businessinsider.com/43-of-americans-dont-pay-federal-income-tax-2013-9
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/
Quote:
royque1980 said: Yeah... How about any source, please?
Okay, here is what I have so far from one source:
Quote:
By Brad Plumer September 18, 2012
A leaked fundraising video caused a stir Monday when it showed Mitt Romney taking a rather caustic view of Obama supporters.
In particular, Romney bemoaned the fact that nearly half the country doesn't pay federal income taxes: "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. … [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
So why don't many Americans pay income taxes? And what taxes do they pay? Let's try to do a comprehensive breakdown in — yes — charts:
1) About 46.4 percent of U.S. households didn't pay federal income taxes in 2011. Mitt Romney's right about that. (Tax Policy Center)
2) That number is abnormally high right now in part due to the recession and slow recovery. When people lose their jobs or see their paychecks drop, they tend to pay fewer income taxes as well. (That's why the budget deficit tends to increase in a bad economy.) Additionally, Congress has passed a slew of tax cuts as part of its stimulus efforts. So that's skewed the number of nonpayers. When the economy's at full employment, as it was in 2007, it's usually only about 40 percent of U.S. households that aren't paying income taxes: (Center on Budget and Policy Priorities)
3) The vast majority of households that don't pay federal income taxes are either elderly or paying payroll taxes. As you can see below, 60 percent of those who don't pay income tax are still working and paying taxes for Social Security and Medicare. Their tax liability is just too low to qualify for the income tax. Another 22 percent of non-payers are retirees.
Only about 7.9 percent of households are not paying any federal taxes at all. That's usually because they're either unemployed or on disability or students or are very poor. (Tax Policy Center)
4) Many low-income workers don't pay federal income taxes thanks, in part, to a series of tax cuts endorsed by Republicans over the years. The graph below from the Tax Policy Center shows why so many workers who do earn income don't have to pay the income tax. They're exempt under various provisions of the tax code.
For instance, most (though not all) elderly households are excluded from paying taxes on their Social Security benefits. And low-income workers with children can qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit or the Child Tax Credit. As Keith Hennessey explains, the latter was a major GOP initiative during the 1990s and 2000s, and conservatives used to tout them as vital poverty-reduction measures:
Washington Post
-------------------- In Hebrew, the words "wine" and "secret" hold the same numerologic value. When wine comes in, secrets spill out. Do you think the person who said that knew mushrooms? When mushrooms come in... Is there anything beyond a secret?
Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/21/15 11:42 AM)
|
paperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
|
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
#22269091 - 09/21/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
|
|
Quote:
paperbackwriter said:
Quote:
qman said: BTW, illegals use 8 TIMES more in tax revenue than they contribute, that's unacceptable for any US citizen.
Are you citing that FAIR study again? I'm going to repost this every time you bring this shit up.
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/anti-immigration-groups
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/09/fox-borrows-fact-on-immigration-costs-from-hate/193546
Finally, some criticism of that study itself rather than the ad hominem above.
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/statistical-hot-air-fair%E2%80%99s-usa-report-lacks-credibility
https://cei.org/sites/default/files/Alex%20Nowrasteh%20-%20WebMemo%20-%20A%20FAIR%20Criticism.pdf
You should be embarrassed to post those things, but something tells me you're to naïve to know any better.
|
Count of Sabugosa
Nerdy floater



Registered: 08/20/15
Posts: 939
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
|
Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
#22269170 - 09/21/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
Why should one be embarassed to post their position and references? Isn't it NOT having sources at all a much greater embarassment? Because so far I have only said that some of you may be wrong, but I did not say you should be embarassed of anything. I don't see the logic of such embarassment...
-------------------- In Hebrew, the words "wine" and "secret" hold the same numerologic value. When wine comes in, secrets spill out. Do you think the person who said that knew mushrooms? When mushrooms come in... Is there anything beyond a secret?
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
|
If some cited a tabloid, would you consider that reputable? Because that's pretty much what media matters is...
|
Count of Sabugosa
Nerdy floater



Registered: 08/20/15
Posts: 939
Last seen: 7 months, 26 days
|
|
Ok, so no quotes from Fox News at all. Also, why rebuffing what is said if you can ad hominem the media in which the information is delivered? Are all of these sites considered tabloids? Because, to me, MSNBC is a leftist tabloid, and Fox News is a right-wing fiction-story-teller, so, exactly what media is not tilted toward one or the other? Isn't that a tabloid in itself?
-------------------- In Hebrew, the words "wine" and "secret" hold the same numerologic value. When wine comes in, secrets spill out. Do you think the person who said that knew mushrooms? When mushrooms come in... Is there anything beyond a secret?
Edited by Count of Sabugosa (09/21/15 12:36 PM)
|
paperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
|
|
Fine. I'll dig up better sources as to why they're a hate group. Some quotes should work.
"As Whites see their power and control over their lives declining, will they simply go quietly into the night? Or will there be an explosion?" — FAIR founder and board member John Tanton, Oct. 10, 1986
"I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that." — John Tanton, letter to eugenicist and ecology professor Garrett Hardin (now deceased), Dec. 10, 1993
"I blame ninety-eight percent of responsibility for this country's immigration crisis on Ted Kennedy and his political allies, who decided some time back in 1958, earlier perhaps, that immigration was a great way to retaliate against Anglo-Saxon dominance and hubris, and the immigration laws from the 1920s were just this symbol of that, and it's a form of revengism, or revenge, that these forces continue to push the immigration policy that they know full well are [sic] creating chaos and will continue to create chaos down the line." — FAIR President Dan Stein, "Oral History of the Federation for American Immigration Reform," interview of Dan Stein by John Tanton, August 1994.
"Do we leave it to individuals to decide that they are the intelligent ones who should have more kids? And more troublesome, what about the less intelligent, who logically should have less? Who is going to break the bad news [to less intelligent individuals], and how will it be implemented?" — John Tanton, letter to eugenicist Robert K. Graham (now deceased), Sept. 18, 1996
"Immigrants don't come all church-loving, freedom-loving, God-fearing … Many of them hate America, hate everything that the United States stands for. Talk to some of these Central Americans." — FAIR President Dan Stein, interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Oct. 2, 1997
The criticisms of the study speak for themselves. I hardly see why I should be embarrassed to discredit poor methodology steeped in white supremacy.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
|
hostileuniverse
Stranger



Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
|
Quote:
royque1980 said: Ok, so no quotes from Fox News at all. Also, why rebuffing what is said if you can ad hominem the media in which the information is delivered? Are all of these sites considered tabloids? Because, to me, MSNBC is a leftist tabloid, and Fox News is a right-wing fiction-story-teller, so, exactly what media is not tilted toward one or the other? Isn't that a tabloid in itself?
Actually Fox News is well known for telling all sides of a story, liberal, conservative, and libertarian...
Thats the reason libs hate it,
|
paperbackwriter
Edward Lear


Registered: 03/31/14
Posts: 1,888
|
|
Sure sounds unbiased to me.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
|
|