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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #22213066 - 09/09/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

People thought Reagan was a joke at first too. A movie actor running for president, it was unheard of.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22213363 - 09/09/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Careful, roy will start defending him.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22214490 - 09/09/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Roy, why do you constantly flame in these discussions? Are your arguments so weak that you have nothing else but personal attacks to fall back on? Not even woof does it that much.

>That you don't know your feet from your head in a debate is clear...

I mentioned Reagan because it was unheard of for a movie actor to run for president, not because no one in his administration broke any laws. That is a red herring type of strawman argument. Now days its unheard of for a newcomer to politics to run for president and to go against all the conventional wisdom. But, Reagan the actor who was laughed at at first ended up winning as we all know and got a second term. I mention him because it shows you do not have to follow the book and kowtow to all and sundry to win at politics.

Unfortunately Reagan was an alzheimers patient while in office and let his advisers and handlers make many of the decisions. He is famous for falling asleep during cabinet meetings. Before one of you say that means trump is no good, Reagan was an old guy, so is biden, he is 72 now. He doesn't seem demented but neither did Reagan when he ran. Trump is a youthful 57 or around that. Hitlery is old style dirty politics and I think we are all against her winning except obviously you, roy.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22216128 - 09/10/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You know what I mean, vague general references to liberals doing whatever is not a personal attack, no more than your constant berating of conservatives. But, when you say things like "you are an idiot" (paraphrased) that is a personal attack. Flaming is against the rules, they may let it slide now and then but lets not stir up the pot with that because sooner or later they will hand out bans. Then we can't demolish your silly arguments any more. Note; I attack your argument but not your person.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22217169 - 09/10/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That actually makes more sense than most of your posts, en.

Pat, you are right about all that. He is even beating the bitch in many polls, and stomping poor old Bernie. How old is Bernie now, late 70's or something? The dems are getting trumped.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22218280 - 09/10/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh really? How old was that result? Here are the real polls, not some whack job loony left site. I even give a link plus the quote, unlike you and enlil

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton SurveyUSA Clinton 40, Trump 45 Trump +5
General Election: Trump vs. Biden SurveyUSA Biden 42, Trump 44 Trump +2
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders SurveyUSA Sanders 40, Trump 44 Trump +4


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22221451 - 09/11/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So some polls say trump ahead and some say bitchlary. Naturally you only believe the ones that agree with your bias. I simply went to the site and copied the only stats I saw that included trump and the bitch, biden or sanders. I did not cherry pick. The only poll that counts is the official one on election day. You can't deny trump has surged constantly so far and some polls put him ahead of everyone else. Cry your eyes out but that's the way it is.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22222871 - 09/11/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Trump's popularity plateaued and, albeit in the national polls Trump might be gaining ground

So no matter what the polls say, you say he is not getting anywhere? He went from nowhere to being by far the most popular gop and has been gaining on bitchlary faster than sanders. Your hero hitlerly is sinking like a stone and will not survive much longer. But, if she is the nominee that's even better for trump because by then the billary fatigue we are seeing will hit peak and he will stomp her like Reagan stomped Dukakis. He might sweep all 50 states. Dems will shake their heads and have no clue why they got beat.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22223303 - 09/11/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I did not flame you with "hitlery" so don't get your panties in a bunch.

>I think (think) that Clinton can still beat Trump, but it would be one of the most bizarre presidential elections in modern history.

The ss bitch is taking on water and listing to port, she is losing steam every day. Its doubtful she will even be in the race at the nominating convention let alone the general election. I would not mind seeing her limp up to the starting gate giving trump an easy win. Better would be sanders, who if you are even the slightest bit reasonable, is a better candidate than billary, the poster child of dirty politics.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Count of Sabugosa]
    #22226027 - 09/12/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I love how the far left always dictates what language we may use and what we are not allowed to say.

> Leave Hitler out of this context. Comparing Hillary or Trump or Bush to Hitler is sheer ignorance of who Hitler was

So hitler is reserved for jews to talk about? Only they can mention his name? You could say I'm flaming billary but so what? She is a public figure and we can say anything we want about public figures ranging from low ones like obumble and hill to the pope if we wish, or even talk shit about jesus or god. Its all allowed on the shroomery. I reserve the right to say what I like about the bitch. You can too.

>It is flaming and you repeat SS.

Does that mean you thought ss meant Schutzstaffel, the Nazi unit? I'm grasping at straws to follow your lack of logic to see what you might be saying. So any reference to Nazis, hitler, or Germany is forbidden under the speech code that you wish to impose on us?

I reject that. BTW, ss indicates a ship in this case, not Nazis like you thought. "The ss bitch is taking on water and listing to port, she is losing steam every day." I thought everyone would catch what it means but you did not. SS can also mean social security or other things. I will use what terms I feel like using. I should probably not direct my remarks to you any more since you have a problem with so many things.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22230517 - 09/13/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The middle east was relatively stable compared to today. Do any of you claim obumble has made things better? He has wasted trillions of dollars and all we have to show for it is lots of blown up stuff, many dead people and lots of hate toward usa.

Where is the evidence trump will put palin in the cabinet? When rational people make statements, the left is quick to demand proof but they say wild things with nothing to back it up.

I never praised Reagan, simply mentioned the fact he was a movie actor and became president.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22230854 - 09/13/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Do you think it was as stable as when Saddam was in charge of Iraq?

Relatively few people got killed when saddam was in charge. He was a tyrant but obumble has killed many more than he ever did by an order of magnitude. Obumble is the bigger tyrant.

>Pick any news source and I'll find it for you.  Here's one of many.

You at least make a feeble attempt to back up your baloney. However, your link does not support your claim. Here is the quote from soon to be president trump.

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Asked on Sarah Palin's Mama Grizz Radio's "The Palin Update with Kevin Scholla" whether he'd tap Palin for a role in his administration, Trump responded "I'd love that."

"She really is somebody that knows what's happening. She's a special person, she's really a special person," he said. "She's got a following that's unbelievable."




The blogger who wrote the article is the one who said trump would put her in his cabinet. He did not say that, he said there would be a place in his administration. Do you see the difference? He might make her one of his gofers, or an assistant to someone. There are thousands of jobs in govt, obumble gave them to his supporters without a murmur from you, but if trump does the same you will squeak.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22231202 - 09/13/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The vast majority of obumble's appointments were grossly incompetent, witness the fact many had to resign under fire. He picks based on race and gender, not competence. Since he is incompetent himself he doesn't worry about that part.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
    #22231909 - 09/13/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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You have a valid point, but you have to admit that Stonehenge is an extreme example.  Anything he disagrees with is labeled "left wing" regardless of whether it actually is a liberal, conservative, or moderate position.




Coming from someone on the far left, that is hardly a surprising statement. I have never labeled anything conservative as left wing. I defy you to give an example because you can't


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22232165 - 09/13/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
I have never labeled anything conservative as left wing. I defy you to give an example because you can't




Still waiting.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22232689 - 09/13/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Some of the funniest though are those who equate income to cock size.

Sounds like someone lost out both ways. :wink:


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22260048 - 09/19/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>His annoying personality doesn't invalidate any of his positions (tariffs, trade with china, deporting illegal immigrants).

This is what separates thinking people from sheep, separates liberals from others. Libs go entirely on emotion and personality. Every one of their criticisms of trump boil down to those things and the fact they have been trained to hate gop and conservatives even if they push the same ideas as libs.

Every conversation with a hard core l leftist, comes down to "I think he is no good, he is rude, blah blah" If bernie was a gop and pushed the same agenda they would turn against him. The loony left will vote dem no matter what, the loony right will vote gop and moderates carry the day.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
    #22260129 - 09/19/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

And the tpp is still secret, no details at all. Do the moonbats complain? No, they still have trust and faith in the lying fool. But they believe nothing out of a conservative. That's why we're in the mess we are in.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22261077 - 09/19/15 04:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Only 13 democratic senators voted in favor of fast tracking the TPP, compared with 47 republican senators.  TPP is a big corporate give-away, and republicans have demonstrated they are more in the pocket of the corporation than democrats

And yet without those 13 dems it would not have happened. What difference does it make how many crossed over? If they only needed one, one would have crossed. If they needed 25, that's how many they would have gotten.

You have been taken in by the pro wrestling style theatrics of good guys vs bad guys. They pretend to hate each other but always come together when the big money people say "pass it"

My solution as always is to do away with legalized bribery. Stop that in all its forms and no more votes will be bought. There will still be log rolling, vote trading but not outright selling of votes. Big money will no longer rule the day.


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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22261085 - 09/19/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Are you saying you're upset that illegal immigrants didn't get coverage?

He is angry that the bum let them in and did not throw them out. In fact he encouraged illegals by talking about amnesty and by not strictly and vigorously enforcing the law.

The last thing we need to do is give more free services to those illegal bums. Did you know that the majority of those here legally do not want them either?


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