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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
#22294646 - 09/26/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Because capitalism and socialism are defined by who controls the means of production...not the offering of services."-Enlil
So, according to you, the Government could take over every SERVICE in the nation and that just wouldn't be socialism at all. If they take over the production of a good, that would be Socialism! Good logic there, statist.
socialism noun so·cial·ism \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
Arguing semantics is not meaningful discussion, so why do you waste time?
Let's get to the point.
Do you agree that our current school system is not very good when it comes to results?
What are some of your solutions to fix the current school system?
Why are you voting for Bernie and not Trump?
There's plenty of very good public school systems, the problem lies with the students and the parents of those students, there's no fix for cultures that don't prioritize education.
We prioritize education enough, the problem is with the Socialist school system-We waste money on administration and other gov-related bureaucratic bullshit when the real goal should be to educate children-the goal if the School system was privatized. We spend more money per student than any other country but we get almost the worst results. The reason other countries are doing better is because they are moving to a voucher system or a more privatized system.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Stonehenge]
#22294677 - 09/26/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Look who uses the word "honest". I haven't seen an honest argument out of enlil yet. He is obviously still butthurt from the last time I pointed that out. Nit picking, splitting hairs, and using tortured semantics is not honest debate.
I'm beginning to think that you're correct Stonehenge.
Look at the blame he has for all parents. Other countries have parents & teachers issues but at the same time are producing great results and with less money (mainly due to more privatization and voucher systems), see this infographic:

Notice how Enlil automatically says vouchers and privatization won't work- Where's the link? Missing again
The Case for School Vouchers
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"Because capitalism and socialism are defined by who controls the means of production...not the offering of services."-Enlil
So, according to you, the Government could take over every SERVICE in the nation and that just wouldn't be socialism at all. If they take over the production of a good, that would be Socialism! Good logic there, statist.
socialism noun so·cial·ism \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
Arguing semantics is not meaningful discussion, so why do you waste time?
Let's get to the point.
Do you agree that our current school system is not very good when it comes to results?
What are some of your solutions to fix the current school system?
Why are you voting for Bernie and not Trump?
There's plenty of very good public school systems, the problem lies with the students and the parents of those students, there's no fix for cultures that don't prioritize education.
We prioritize education enough, the problem is with the Socialist school system-We waste money on administration and other gov-related bureaucratic bullshit when the real goal should be to educate children-the goal if the School system was privatized. We spend more money per student than any other country but we get almost the worst results. The reason other countries are doing better is because they are moving to a voucher system or a more privatized system.

I should have said there's too many subcultures in the US that don't prioritize education, as a result it skews the statistical results.
The public schools in upper middle class white suburbia function just fine and even outperform many of the good private schools.
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burgerbrain said: The reason other countries are doing better is because they are moving to a voucher system or a more privatized system.

This isn't true. As Enlil pointed out fixing the school system is a complicated issue.
Finland, one of the most socialist countries on earth currently, and it's scandinavian cousins, consistently rank the highest. Your graph even shows this. Their approach is based on not working the kids to death. They're not privately owned.
Japan takes the opposite approach. Private vouchers and working the kids to death. They come in right behind scandinavian countries. They also are literally working themselves to death in later life so while their approach is fairly successful in the short term it doesn't look healthy in the long term.
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burgerbrain said: The reason other countries are doing better is because they are moving to a voucher system or a more privatized system.

This isn't true. As Enlil pointed out fixing the school system is a complicated issue.
Finland, one of the most socialist countries on earth currently, and it's scandinavian cousins, consistently rank the highest. Your graph even shows this. There approach is based on not working the kids to death. They're not privately owned.
Japan takes the opposite approach. Private vouchers and working the kids to death. They come in right behind scandinavian countries. They also are literally working themselves to death in later life so while their approach is fairly successful in the short term it doesn't look healthy in the long term.
So Finland is the deviation from the rule, ok, oh yeah and they let the students CHOOSE their school path, unlike USA's socialist school system.
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burgerbrain said: The reason other countries are doing better is because they are moving to a voucher system or a more privatized system.

This isn't true. As Enlil pointed out fixing the school system is a complicated issue.
Finland, one of the most socialist countries on earth currently, and it's scandinavian cousins, consistently rank the highest. Your graph even shows this. There approach is based on not working the kids to death. They're not privately owned.
Japan takes the opposite approach. Private vouchers and working the kids to death. They come in right behind scandinavian countries. They also are literally working themselves to death in later life so while their approach is fairly successful in the short term it doesn't look healthy in the long term.
So Finland is the deviation from the rule, ok, oh yeah and they let the students CHOOSE their school path, unlike USA's socialist school system.
This isn't what I said. When several countries are all working actively to make school more fun and enjoyable for kids and their test scores are all the best in the world I don't see how that's deviation, that's setting a precedent.
And again you use the word socialist wrong. I suggest you stop using it until you understand what it means.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: qman]
#22294797 - 09/26/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: There are already many charter schools that they use in urban communities, they are still huge failures, those communities don't prioritize education.
On average, private schools outperform public schools and cost less money per student..
Yeah guess private schools are horrible lol

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qman said: There are already many charter schools that they use in urban communities, they are still huge failures, those communities don't prioritize education.
On average, private schools outperform public schools and cost less money per student..
Yeah guess private schools are horrible lol


Depends on the students that attend those private schools, why are the charter schools complete failures? The students come from dysfunctional cultures.
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We've always had Net Neutrality, and you haven't proven otherwise.
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This idea of net neutrality—this cherished idea, even, among Internet entrepreneurs and activists—has a long history
Your own link says "the IDEA of Net Neutrality has been around" - The Internet didn't have these new rules until recently, kiddo.
Net neutrality started on Friday. A federal judge on Thursday rejected cable and phone companies' attempts to stop net neutrality in its tracks. That means the FCC's plan for new Internet rules go into effect as planned. Here's what that means for you: What changed Friday? The FCC will be able to assert extra authority over the Internet to establish net neutrality. http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/12/technology/net-neutrality/
LOL. Tell the sheeple that the sky is falling and they will vote for anything.
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The strongest hurricane in recorded history made landfall last night.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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paperbackwriter said: The strongest hurricane in recorded history made landfall last night.

Yup! Must be climate change! Oh my god! We're all gonna die!
You people do realize that these "earthquakes" the usgs is referring to are quakes so tiny that people aren't even able to feel them, does that sound like a reason to shut everything down and go live in caves?
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starfire_xes said: People agreeing doesn't prove anything.
Scientific agreement means when they checked the data 97% of the studies confirmed the hypothesis. That's the data. Not people.
EXxon's own studies, conducted prior to 1977, reached the same conclusions.
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They havent got any of the climate models right yet,as far as i know.
The big model that shows a general trend of warming and climate change that will push us, eventually, into a new ice age, has been shown to be true by 97% of the data. I don't know how much more 'right' you want, but you're an engineer so please tell me how much data needs to support a hypothesis for it to be considered a working model (i.e. theory)?
More logical fallacies from the left
Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right. Example: "At least 70% of all Americans support restrictions on access to abortions." Well, maybe 70% of Americans are wrong!
Yes the so called "scientists" made predictions, according to their data, that the earth would be a lot hotter than it is now. They were ALL WRONG.
So if the data is so accurate, as the libtards keep saying, then why are all the models wrong?
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22482343 - 11/05/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: One thing has nothing to do with other. Your link has nothing to do with my point or my link. They both could be perfectly accurate.
Yeah my link supersedes your link because your link is trying to go after some hard-to-get "Taxes vs Welfare" statistic for ALL people (implying that welfare recipients pay a lot of tax), where my link is specific and from a trusted source.
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: Enlil]
#22508995 - 11/11/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Trump Phenomenon [Re: ballsalsa]
#22509071 - 11/11/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really am beginning to see him as a shallow blowhard. He is saying things that a lot of people definitely want to hear.
And the polls that have him ahead, well...I tested one of the online polls and it let me vote for Kasich the Village Idiot 10 times in a row, I could have done one hundred--so the online polls definitely aren't reliable, and they also didn't correlate with what people in discussion forums where actually saying.
I think the Trumpsters better get their heads out of their asses and start listening before they push him into the nomination and Hillary gets elected.
National Polling shows Trump vs. Hillary as just about the worse match possible for Republicans.
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It's refreshing to see someone with anti-establishment views, but he's not seriously in the running to be president. You can't win the presidency and be that big of an asshole.
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Cognitive_Shift said: It's refreshing to see someone with anti-establishment views, but he's not seriously in the running to be president. You can't win the presidency and be that big of an asshole.

Lol, yeah Obama's not an asshole...
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