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1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D
    #22210844 - 09/09/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

1st of all, my English is not the best @ all.
I am 33 Years old and from good old Germany.

I am running my 1st grow and want to share some things with you.

I am running my 1st Grow on Mushrooms and using then since a few years. (Yes i am 30km next to Holland)

I started with Rye and Gypsum+Calk to hydrate and sterilize in Jars. I Inoculated the Jars with Mexican and B+ Spores. Everything went well. Pretty nice and shiny white Mycellium appeared.

I decided to went on Casings. My first 4 Casings molded cause i only pasteurized the Casing layer.(Casing Layer is about 50 PeatMoss, 50 Vermiculite with gypsum and kalk and on bottom there is a layer of Perlite)

The next Casing layer i was supposed to sterilize as well.  Luck ely i sa fed a cup of the colonized Rye and was able to get more rye Jars.

So Far i am pretty ok with the Grow. Everything runs with some exceptions like i wanted.

Now i already see a lot of Shrooms.
I am quite happy to have a nice and good experience about that.
Her 2 Pics of today. 1st Mexicans / 2nd B+


Today i picked one +B its 3,3 g wet. Its so small never thought about that weight. The veil was a little opened, so i became nervous.

BUT i am a little nervous right now. Cause 2 Major Questions are not clear to me at the moment.

My Humidity is about 90-99%. Maybe  a little to high i guess.
The Veils of the b+ are already breaking and the are about 1 inch tall and not that tall as they supposed to be i guess. They are not thin, but not that big as i thought they will become.
Is Humidity to high?
Why are the Veils so early opened. Can it be connected to high humidity?
How to rehydrate my casing- Dunk or spraY?

The Mexicans do pretty well. They are 2 Days behind the B+.

I can tell everyone who wa nne start growing its not that difficult as you think sometimes.
This Forum already gave me a lot in formations i needed.

Thumbs UP and hi everyone!

Regards
Matthias


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22210861 - 09/09/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Matthias!

Good start so far.  Lets see a picture of your whole setup.  As you have probably read on here, fresh air is key, as is available moisture to the shrooms.  humidity not so important, but you can't let it dry out either.

It also may just be genetics....

but lets see your setup and go from there.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: guyute22]
    #22210872 - 09/09/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My setup is a big PVC Box.
I have drilled 2 Holes on the front and on the back in. Filled with polyester wool.(Don´t know the correct word for it :frown: ) I am thinking already about to increase the size or even the numbers.
Yeah the pioint of fresh air is a good point.


Taking the lid off every few hours cause i am on vacation and don´t have to work atm.

Next to the Room Heater. So i have almost stable 23 C.



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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22210886 - 09/09/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

search on here for shotgun fruiting chamber or SGFC.  your setup is not ideal. 

You could easily make that PVC box into an SGFC and improve your situation tremendously.

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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22210892 - 09/09/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You would benefit from building a SGFC to sit those trays in http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542 1/4 inch holes 2" apart in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, with 4 to 5 inches of damp perlite in the bottom. You can mist the trays directly, and after you harvest a flush fill the tray with water for about 4 hours then dump the water out, put it back in the sgfc and wait for next flush. FYI grains like rye do better spawned to a bulk substrate like coir or horse manure. Some good information http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: guyute22]
    #22210908 - 09/09/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I guess you are right... i am searching my perlite.... and my drill to get another few holes  :laugh:

I saw the Perlite base before.. in some other threads and on ohter websites... but i was scared in case of cleaning the Container from time to time.

But yeah, that was a pro tip i needed. Thumbs up for your advise. :laugh:


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22210951 - 09/09/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Good luck, let us know how it goes:thumbup:


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22211080 - 09/09/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

i Will do! :laugh:
My drill is broken :laugh: Shit... scalpel does not that well.. so i am heaiting it up..burningholes into the container...

To fill the holes with polyester wool  is right, to keep oput any contis-
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22211183 - 09/09/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Just a short update i have almost half the holes done and can see Humidity is not going above 91 % - so circulation with wool is already working i guess. Perlite is not applied.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22211322 - 09/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

You cannot go by a hygrometer, they are not suited for this hobby. The best thing to do is build a proven design fruiting chamber to specs and watch your substrate/ mushrooms to see what they need. Also you do not need polyfill for a SGFC, by the time substrate is 100% colonized the mycelium is strong and contamination resistant. There is no such thing as a sterile fruiting chamber and no need for one. The polyfill in a monotub is not to keep contams out, but to allow FAE while retaining moisture and RH while in fruiting


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22211368 - 09/09/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I started with Rye and Gypsum+Calk to hydrate and sterilize in Jars. I Inoculated the Jars with Mexican and B+ Spores. Everything went well. Pretty nice and shiny white Mycellium appeared.

spores to grain can be risky, but if you only used a small amount of spore syringe to each jar its probably fine!


I decided to went on Casings. My first 4 Casings molded cause i only pasteurized the Casing layer.(Casing Layer is about 50 PeatMoss, 50 Vermiculite with gypsum and kalk and on bottom there is a layer of Perlite)

yuo are supposed to pasteurize peat moss at 60-70 celcius core temperature for 60-90mins

They are not thin, but not that big as i thought they will become.
Is Humidity to high?
Why are the Veils so early opened. Can it be connected to high humidity?
How to rehydrate my casing- Dunk or spraY?

there may be many reasons why they are that way, genetics, lack of water etc. spray with water or just pour some water into the trays

Matthias




and finally, in stead of just casing the grains you should mix them evenly with coir+verm.
The bucket tek shows you how to prepare coco coir+vermiculite, its really easy and you dont have to worry about temperatures getting too high.

also you need more fresh air into your boxes. I cant really see the holes you're talking about.

Pastywhytes mini mono write up is a good one, instead of making several small trays just fill the bottom of the box with grain spawn, coir and verm mixed together.

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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: spacechildo]
    #22212127 - 09/09/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

As i said my drill was broken so i heated up a scalpell and put some holes into my container.
Here some pictures.




But as i said. For me the veil breaking that early is totaly unexpected. I guess humidity of the Casing layer was good. Moisture enough.

Lets see what happens tomorrow. I read its best point to harvest the shrooms but i will see what happens tomorrow, the veil is broken but the Head is not opening. We will see tomorrow.

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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22212154 - 09/09/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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As i said my drill was broken so i heated up a scalpell and put some holes into my container.
Here some pictures.




But as i said. For me the veil breaking that early is totaly unexpected. I guess humidity of the Casing layer was good. Moisture enough.

Lets see what happens tomorrow. I read its best point to harvest the shrooms but i will see what happens tomorrow, the veil is broken but the Head is not opening. We will see tomorrow.

Thx everybody :laugh:



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I started with Rye and Gypsum Calk to hydrate and sterilize in Jars. I Inoculated the Jars with Mexican and B  Spores. Everything went well. Pretty nice and shiny white Mycellium appeared.

spores to grain can be risky, but if you only used a small amount of spore syringe to each jar its probably fine!


I decided to went on Casings. My first 4 Casings molded cause i only pasteurized the Casing layer.(Casing Layer is about 50 PeatMoss, 50 Vermiculite with gypsum and kalk and on bottom there is a layer of Perlite)

yuo are supposed to pasteurize peat moss at 60-70 celcius core temperature for 60-90mins

They are not thin, but not that big as i thought they will become.
Is Humidity to high?
Why are the Veils so early opened. Can it be connected to high humidity?
How to rehydrate my casing- Dunk or spraY?

there may be many reasons why they are that way, genetics, lack of water etc. spray with water or just pour some water into the trays

Matthias




and finally, in stead of just casing the grains you should mix them evenly with coir verm.
The bucket tek shows you how to prepare coco coir vermiculite, its really easy and you dont have to worry about temperatures getting too high.

also you need more fresh air into your boxes. I cant really see the holes you're talking about.

Pastywhytes mini mono write up is a good one, instead of making several small trays just fill the bottom of the box with grain spawn, coir and verm mixed together.

:goodluck:




Yeah the mold....it was a green mold.... I pasteurized the Layer but it happend to mold. Thats why i went to sterilizaation of the Casing layer. In this moment i wrote this down...can this the reason for the early veil breaking?

I have two different strains thats why i use the Casings and not the whole box. But yeha maybe a better way. Maybe in the future i will use the whole container. But i guessed if somehting will go wrong i only habe to throw a little casing box away instead of the whole stuff and bigger ammount of one container.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22212196 - 09/09/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

at least look at the shot gun fruiting chamber design, probably the best one to fruit trays in
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: spacechildo]
    #22213149 - 09/09/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also, sterilization of a casing layer is more likely to cause a contamination. It kills all the beneficial microbes and makes a perfect environment for something nasty to thrive with no competition. This is why we pasteurize casing layers instead of sterilizing.:goodluck:


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22213683 - 09/09/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

2" x 2" grid of 1/4" holes on all sides. use a heated up screwdriver! lets see some of that German engineering!


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22215377 - 09/10/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, sterilization of a casing layer is more likely to cause a contamination. It kills all the beneficial microbes and makes a perfect environment for something nasty to thrive with no competition. This is why we pasteurize casing layers instead of sterilizing.:goodluck:




Yeah i already read about this. But in my case i only can say i got green mold. For me it works like you see on the pics with sterilastion.
Maybe some other Time i will try pasteurization again :laugh:

As a 1st time grower i wanne see results that work for me, and less testing is sometimes even better :laugh:

Today i will put more smaller holes in my container...to get closer to shotgunformation...
But as i can say- the veils are still open but the heads are atm not opening anymore and the grow in size over night like hell. So far i guess i can say- the more FAE - is one of the most important things you told me. I will keep working on this to improve my system.

In a few weeks i will change my flat where i life. After this is done maybe i will buy a another container and will build this up beginning more accurate. And see if there are changes going on. I will compare it to this 1st grow.

Really big thanks to your advises.

Most of my knowledge i got is from this forum. There are no active good Mushroom Forums in German. So big thumbs up to this coummunity!


Edith says: "I am thinking about getting a Heatmat that i still have here from my earlier Cannabis Grows..under that container to slightliy get more evaporation from the perlighte aswell to increase the FAE. The lightly hotter air from bottom will go up. Thats actually my idea to increase FAE aswell.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22215735 - 09/10/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Heatmats are a big no no. They will dry your grow out very quickly.

Room temperature is perfect. No need to heat unless its getting too cold.  And then we use oil radiators.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22216158 - 09/10/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Heatmats are a big no no. They will dry your grow out very quickly.

Room temperature is perfect. No need to heat unless its getting too cold.  And then we use oil radiators.




ok. I will leave it.
Your Experience in my ears :laugh:


Another point i actually thinking about is that the period of incubation the whole Casing was to short maybe i will let it incubate 2-3 more days, that mycellium will cover more than a 3rd of the layer.
And 2nd point is, i guess my layer is a little to less...so i will try next round a little more layer material. Just a little. :laugh: Maybe then i have a better enviroment for the shrooms...

Today they are looking tomorrow rdy to harvest.
The Veil of the Mexicans that are 2 days later placed into Fruiting chamber are able to see but not opening. So in my opinion the improved Air Exchange is working. Some of the B+ Heads are opening and begin to stretch, maybe today in the later evening i am going to pick all big and small ones to rehydrate the Casing fully. Maybe i will test on one and let grow the 2nd.... lets see.

Here a little update from pictures of today:

the darker/more brownish Heads are the mexicans and 3 pics on the left are the B+ (Yes yesterday i destroyed a Head...my fault... Sorry BRO!!!)

Compared to yesterday Mexican Foto...incedible size change...



and if you ask me ( a guy without mushroom growing exprience)
The SHROOMS look more healthy and even luckier than yesterday :laugh:


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22216218 - 09/10/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Looking good!:rockon:


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    #22216263 - 09/10/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Trichoderma, and any other green mold for that matter dies at 130F for 30 minutes. That's why pasteurization of 140-150 for 1 hour is more than sufficient. Unless you pasteurized improperly (highly doubt it) you just had contaminated substrates when you cased it. Coincidentally they were clean when you sterilized your casings. That's all that it is. Trich doesn't survive a pasteurization, so if you have problems with it, it's ALWAYS from a different source.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22217288 - 09/10/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Looking good!:rockon:




Thx Bro :laugh:
Appreciate with your assistance :laugh:

1st Veil breaks now on a single Mexican.
Whats your Opinion about harvesting today, or sleep for a few hours and harvest tomorrow the complete stuff.

I am afraid of spores falling down destroying or just let me get a smaller 2nd flush.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22217336 - 09/10/15 03:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If they are a bunch all at different stages of growth, harvest individually as they are ready, you're right you don't want spores everywhere.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
    #22217516 - 09/10/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i was so excited i i grabbed everything i was able to...some pins were too small to harvest. Cant get it.
Everything else i grabbed.
I dunked all the cases for half an hour. The weight pretty much doubled or trippled.

Some pics of the 1st harvest...maybe....i will snack some fresh... :laugh:

I am so excited :laugh:


These are the cleaned B+  - Big thx to my girlfriend having fun cleaning the layer off from the shrooms :laugh:


1st Mexican Pic


2nd Mecican Pic


Complete Picture of that harvest.



In the container it looked not that many...but now i am actually overwhelmed....in my opinion pretty much. In my opinion i was thinking of a few trips...but that can be enough for a whole year :laugh:

Appreciatet.

I will let you know what happens next days-

All casings are looking pretty empty right now. Just a few minipins...nearly not to see.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22217552 - 09/10/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I'm an advocate of the monotub design. What do people with holey sgfc do in the event of fungus gnats finding their way inside?


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    #22217559 - 09/10/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm an advocate of the monotub design. What do people with holey sgfc do in the event of fungus gnats finding their way inside?




I've hung sticky fly tape with moderate success.

I've also had gnats get in a monotub.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Munchauzen]
    #22230126 - 09/13/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So here a Update.
As i told...i harvester the shrooms. Rehydrated fopr about 10-20 Minutes by dunking the casings. And sprayed them every day once a bit. And rehydratet the Perlite Layer in the Fruiting Chamber.


Today i saw on shroom with black hat...maybe already a abort that i immediatly picked.
The rest is going on again and i can see another few pins again. :laugh:
On Harvest i nearly picked everything i could.

Mexicans




B+



So after all i am pretty sure there will be a 2nd harvest i can take ;D

WOhohohoh i love it!


3 Days after the last Harvest the next Flush is going to appear...pretty good i guess :laugh:
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22230136 - 09/13/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Congrats! I gotta ask though what tek is this? I always thought the trays should go into a SGFC. It looks like you have a monotub style chamber going.


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    #22230144 - 09/13/15 07:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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    #22230233 - 09/13/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I would say its a mix between Monotub and SGFC
Cause i have polyesterwool in the holes and several holes in the Container not exactly the SGFC design.
And yes i have it in trays cause i was scared of contams and tried it in trays rather than filling the whole container with substrate and colonized grey. Obviously it works maybe next time i will go for a Monotub and fill it up but i actually have 2 strains so yeah i will run a few weeks more the trays...
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    #22230254 - 09/13/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have two trays that I just cased with Franks jiffy tek. I dont feel like drilling a million holes in this new tub. Might try this.


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    #22241559 - 09/15/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Here a recntly Update on my 2nd Flush.
So Far i need more Holes and need a little more FAE but i am getting closer...
Most of the Pins are thicker and the Heads are not opening early and the Veil´s are goiing to appear. Just one or two Fruit bodys are thin. You will recognize on the Mexican Pics.

The B+ are thick. But there are not that many pins showing up.

Probably i should harvest in intervalls and i just get a smaller size cause i piucked that many pins on 1st Harvest.

Btw. i got 10,5 g B+ dry in total and about 13,7 g Mex in total.


B+ Shrooms





Mexican Shrooms





Then i got a closer look on the mexicans...this hairy on Bottom i can´t say if its mycellium or as i read in some other threads that can be bacterria.
Got damn it...hopefully not. :laugh:

I will keep an Eye on this.

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    #22244233 - 09/16/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I had to go to work...But today in the morning the mexicana are that big i can See the veil. And the b+ are such grow Ing big...incredible...

Amy comments on that fuzzy on the bottom from my last pic postet? In my option i need more FAE and opened the lit a lotte Bit to get a less humidity and even more fae


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    #22244926 - 09/16/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Finally i am back from home....

Mexicans showed me some veils are already broken. So i went over to Harvest the 2nd Flush. My 2nd Harvest i am so excited!
Here some Pictures of the harvsted Shrooms.


My wife already enjoying cleaning the shrooms ;D She is not eating it but cleening and already felt in love another way :laugh:


I Misted the Casing and the left over pins very well instead of dunking it again. I took out 3 Aborts with black head and 2 Aborts from the other tray. There are 2 more very dark headed pins. Not sure if only dark head or aborts. I will keep an Eye on that.




The B+ are already doublesized than the 1st flush...incedible they will need another one or two days before i pick them. But there are not that many pins showing up as on the mexicans...damn. Anyways its quite impressive for me.



I took out the polyfill on the top holes of my box to increase more the FAE and put aswell the lid a little aside.(For more FAE aswell)


So in my opinion the FAE is the most important thing i already learned from you guys. In future Grows and in future Containers that will be the most important things for me.



The other Thing is. I did Grain to Grain on my jars. The Mycelium was quite storng and i shaked them...now its still white but doesn´t seem so sticky as before...its 5-6 Days ago i shaked them pretty well. I will put tomorrow another picture of that online.


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    #22248929 - 09/16/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Today the b+ will be harvested. Extra FAE Made them big as trees compared to yesterday.
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    #22248971 - 09/17/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah those "fuzzy feet" are mycelium... It usually means you need more FAE, but it can be genetics... I love the B+ variety, that's what I'm working with right now... I would highly recommend making a true SGFC or better yet  make a monotub... They are easy to maintain once you get them dialed in.

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    #22249469 - 09/17/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)



These b+ will be rdy in a few hours when i am back from work.


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    #22249822 - 09/17/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

B+ Harvest time-2nd harvest
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    #22254530 - 09/18/15 04:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So far my 3rd Flush runs.... i am searching the forums for Bulk and monotubes now 4 hours ago.

There are some Major Questions i am asking myself atm.
I found some CocoStar added with Trichoderma from my last Cannabis grows. I a thinking about using it after a Sterilization so far.
I have as Casing Layer PeatMoss Soil low in Nutrientsatm in my actual grow. It worked in my actual grow as a Top Layer.

I put 1st a layer of the Soil in and then a layer of my rye grain fully conlonized and then a final layer of the soil. I didn´t mix it.

For Bulk i read theres no need to mix the Substrate and the Bulk Sub you can layer it in defferent multiple Layers with 4 Inch (10 Centimeters) in total. (Is the mutiple Layer thing enhancing the Moisture for the network thats why there is no need to mix it evenly?)
OK so far so good.


coco is low in Nutrient my Soil is low in nutrient.
What to choose for the Bulk Substrate? Is it also Possible to stick with the Soil as Bulk substrate?
Maybe i will benefit to Mix the Soil and Coco with the Spawn and can benefit?
Or should i use the sterilized Coco with Verm as Substrat and  as layer ?
Why then not use the Coco as a top layer or should it be better then to  use the Soil as Last top Layer?
If the Soil gives a better Microclimate cause it holds better the moisture it will give more moisture to the shrooms. While Coco doenst hold that good the moisture it evaporates better so far it better help introducing the Pinning.
If this is the right understanding it should be better to have a Soil/Verm as Bulk Substrate and a Coco/Verm as Casing layer. Or in General it can benefit to have a Soil/Coco/Verm Mix to have 3 kind of qualitys in relation  Evaporation/Moisture Capacity.

Did you get me?
(Sorry if my english is not that good. Hopefully you get my opinion what i am thinking/searching for)


I am so weird atm....
Probably its time for the 1st Shroom trip i grow on my own...to find the answer what to do :laugh:

I belive my trays work atm but as it works...i will try to improve the Yield and the Quality and the best way is to leave the trays where they are and stick to a Monotube.

Thx for your advise.
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    #22254626 - 09/18/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't get anything with trich added anywhere near your mushrooms. You want reptile bedding bricks.Sterilization of bulk substrate will not work you want pasteurization. You want to mix the spawn and bulk substrate together, not layers. You can case with the coir/verm or jiffy mix or just skip it.Here is some of the best info all in one place http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163


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    #22254763 - 09/18/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the labell says... coconut with natural Trichoderma....dunnnoooooo
so i am sorry on my post bfore where i said with added...


btw. took 3g of my B+...right now i am tripping.... wowo...they work D


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    #22254803 - 09/18/15 07:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It could work with proper pasteurization but probably not with the bucket tek, personally I would be too paranoid to use it. Here's what RR said about coir w/ Trichoderma
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Theoretically, proper pasteurization should take care of the mold, but if you can find another source, such as the coir sold in pet shops for reptiles, I'd suggest getting that instead of what the hydro shops sell.
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    #22291717 - 09/26/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

here a recently update....

I had a bunch of abort with blakc head...misting too often i guess and the substrate didn´t maintain enough Water i guess...so the 3rd flush did not show up...no growing.

So i picked everything off.
Watered(dunked) the Trays for 6 hours and now i got new pins and new shrooms.
1st Pic the B+ and 2nd Pic the Mexicans.


today i harvested a Monster


I placed 4 more trays into a monotube cause i didn´t had the foil for the bottom of the tube and didnt had enough spawn for that.
I got several new jars and acurtally waiting for more spawn to get colonized to test a fully monotube.


I figuered something out....my Pressure cooker only gets 1,5 psi...but it works actually...i will see to get another one...Actually the grain is not that sterile as it should be i guess and the Casing layer material is not aswell...i didn´t trustet in pasteurisation yet..but next time i am going for the bulk in the tube i will try to pasteurize the Casing material.

Happy shrooming :laugh:

And btw. yes i let the coco with natural trichoderma off...and threw it away...
So my actually casing layer is peatmoss/Verm again.
This time with the new trays i mixed the Peatmoss and Verm mix with my spawn together. The colonizingprogress in the trays only took 3 days including an extra layr on top to colonize...In my opinion the mixing of Spawn and substrate improved colonizing speed compared to my 1st 4 trays.
I am so excited. :laugh:

The B+ Trip was so intense....i could not open my eyes...so strong in my head...the objectives and colors i saw i can´t describe. When i opened my eyes...not that strong visuals like the mexicans do. But  @ all a very intense xperience the B+. (3g dry B+)


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
    #22291796 - 09/26/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have not found heavy misting to cause aborts with this species, even if they get soaked.

High CO2 and/or genetic predisposition is the usual cause IME.

While sterilizing the casing layer can work, pasteurizing is prefered.  There's nothing risky about it.  You can use untreated peat as a casing if you like.  The general goal is hardest to contaminate, which people tend to feel is with the mold spores dead, but the beneficial microbes that prevent opportunists from taking over intact.

Since your PC only goes to 1.5 psi, your spawn was most likely bacterial but colonized over.  The bacteria probably lead to quick contamination and susceptibility to trich.

Re: OEV's.  I find they vary a lot depending on how interested I am in looking at OEV's.  Entire experiences have gone by where I barely paid attention to them at all, or just wasn't into it.  The mind filters them out easily unless you focus on them, so that aspect may be psychological.


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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22340072 - 10/06/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So my 1st Trays are going to exhaust i guess. Not many new shrooms but still something is going on ...

The B+ showing me some rly big and huge shrooms compared to the 1st flushes. (1st Grow)


The last pic is from the old grow....2-3 lonely shrooms but big as hell.


2nd GROW  with Trays in a Monotube-Design
So i startet the 2nd attempt with Trays in a different container more Monotube style...I Mixxed the Spawn with Casing layer and filled the trays completely up. After a little more colonizing Time then in my 1st grow it pinned so incredible better than the 1st attempt. My 1st Mexican Flush is already harvested. And the B+ will be harvested today.
Here a Pic from my 2nd Grow 1st Flush Harvest (2 Trays - arround 200g wet)



One shroom has something on his head... can´t say what that is..its totally attached to it, can´t pull it easily off...never saw this before...

Do somebody know what that can be? It looks like Cancer :laugh:


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    #22437872 - 10/26/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Wow! Rye on your first try and it worked! How inspiring :tongue2:


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    #22490519 - 11/07/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hey there....a few Trays with Casing later....i am pretty excited about my shroomery.

I am still following all those guys starting to grow. And i am pretty much enjoying all that good stuff in these Forums.

Here a little Update.
My G2G- works well. I safed a Sporeprint from my own Mexicans and made a Syringe from 1/4 of it. But not testet yet to inoculate.
I Harvestet a lot of Pretty good Shrooms and enjoyed it with Friends.
I testet how many Flushes i can get from my Casings. Now i ended up in only take 2-3 Flushes from it and increase my Cycle rate of new Casings rather then wasting my time for 2-3 lonely Shrooms. And sometimes i see Color changes after a few Flushes....so the Casings pretty much get Contams and Bacteria after 4+ Flushes...( Yes i throw those Shrooms away - once i testet them myself - think they were still ok but Safety 1st. I would never offer that to one of my friends.
I bought few more Containers - 3 Containers with 4 Casings Each and my 1st Bullk Monotube is running aswell (Tomorrow i will give you piccutres of that)


Anyways. Here me up to date Question to all you experienced guys.

I am actually increased a little my Temperatures for my incubation Zone. Meanwhile Incubation runs a little Better. Also i now use Rye Grain and Vermiculate(Earlier only the Grain) for the Mycelium growth. And i am Still doing G2G.

Now about 10 Days ago i transfered B+, And those Jars are done today. I already spawned them into my casings.
Here Some Pics.
The Mycelium ist much stronger then before...and more cotton like.
(I read about Degeneration can be a point- but i also thought this will be a neverending cycle if i keep the mycelium alive. On the Other hand i am a little scared to have a bigger bacterial Infection cause tdoing G2G.)

The Mycelium felt pretty chunky- Jewy- like Chewinggum- when i proke it up to mix it with my spawn-mix.






One Jar had a little Mycelium Piss - i guess .... so far i am scared... :laugh:

The Thing is...since i use the Verm the Jars are sometimes here and there have a extra drop of Water in it. Not Really a "Wet spot" as it seems to me.
On the other Hand...my Jars normally take a lot longer to fully colonize. But that can be a result of a little improved and more optimal Colonization Temperatures.

So far a little Update. :laugh:

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    #22494341 - 11/08/15 05:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

As i said Yesterday i will give you a littl more pictures.
( I love Threads with a ton of nice pictures btw :laugh:)




Started with one Container and 4 Trays in it...i am addicted of Growing shrooms... :laugh:


SO as i told yesterday i have now my 1st Full Monotube going on.




I am pretty excited. Had mixed my Spawn and Verm/PeatMoss  together and topped it with a little Casing layer. It took 3 Days to colonize like you see that. Today i opened the Holes and removed the duck Tape to put the Polyfill in. I already see the 1st lonely shroom.

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You see a pin in there already?


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    #22494441 - 11/08/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Usually people use coir as a bulk substrate  instead of peat, and those jars look bacterial but I wish you luck, hope you get some results.


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    #22494792 - 11/08/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Usually people use coir as a bulk substrate  instead of peat, and those jars look bacterial but I wish you luck, hope you get some results.



Yeah. Probably you are right. I used Them anyway and Filled Them in trays and cased them. I am going to Throw them away of nothing happens. Is bacteria going to Infekt over air aswell? So maybe a reason to Throw them immediatly away or seperate them Directly?

I should Start Working with some agar i guess...that i can stop this grain2grain.

As far as i said i am using the g2g Sinne i started. Chance to getan Infektion by bacteria is increäsing every transfer.

Thx for your response.
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    #22494819 - 11/08/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Grain to grain works great if the master jar is clean. You may get some success and I wish you luck, if anything turns green, take it outside immediately so you do not fill your work area with nasty spores. Check pet stores for bricks of coir, used for reptile bedding. Good luck and keep us posted.:super:


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    #22541687 - 11/18/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

OK here my 1st Monotub result...
Pics say more than 1000 words.

Awesome 1st Flush. Much more than 4 Trays in the same Container. The Harvest was too big...not all Shromms got their place on the windowsill.




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    #22541750 - 11/18/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Congratulations! Looks good man!:rockon:


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