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Garuk
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1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D
#22210844 - 09/09/15 06:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1st of all, my English is not the best @ all. I am 33 Years old and from good old Germany.
I am running my 1st grow and want to share some things with you.
I am running my 1st Grow on Mushrooms and using then since a few years. (Yes i am 30km next to Holland)
I started with Rye and Gypsum+Calk to hydrate and sterilize in Jars. I Inoculated the Jars with Mexican and B+ Spores. Everything went well. Pretty nice and shiny white Mycellium appeared.
I decided to went on Casings. My first 4 Casings molded cause i only pasteurized the Casing layer.(Casing Layer is about 50 PeatMoss, 50 Vermiculite with gypsum and kalk and on bottom there is a layer of Perlite)
The next Casing layer i was supposed to sterilize as well. Luck ely i sa fed a cup of the colonized Rye and was able to get more rye Jars.
So Far i am pretty ok with the Grow. Everything runs with some exceptions like i wanted.
Now i already see a lot of Shrooms. I am quite happy to have a nice and good experience about that. Her 2 Pics of today. 1st Mexicans / 2nd B+

 Today i picked one +B its 3,3 g wet. Its so small never thought about that weight. The veil was a little opened, so i became nervous.
BUT i am a little nervous right now. Cause 2 Major Questions are not clear to me at the moment.
My Humidity is about 90-99%. Maybe a little to high i guess. The Veils of the b+ are already breaking and the are about 1 inch tall and not that tall as they supposed to be i guess. They are not thin, but not that big as i thought they will become. Is Humidity to high? Why are the Veils so early opened. Can it be connected to high humidity? How to rehydrate my casing- Dunk or spraY?
The Mexicans do pretty well. They are 2 Days behind the B+.
I can tell everyone who wa nne start growing its not that difficult as you think sometimes. This Forum already gave me a lot in formations i needed.
Thumbs UP and hi everyone!
Regards Matthias
Edited by Garuk (09/09/15 06:34 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22210861 - 09/09/15 06:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Matthias!
Good start so far. Lets see a picture of your whole setup. As you have probably read on here, fresh air is key, as is available moisture to the shrooms. humidity not so important, but you can't let it dry out either.
It also may just be genetics....
but lets see your setup and go from there.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: guyute22]
#22210872 - 09/09/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My setup is a big PVC Box. I have drilled 2 Holes on the front and on the back in. Filled with polyester wool.(Don´t know the correct word for it ) I am thinking already about to increase the size or even the numbers. Yeah the pioint of fresh air is a good point.
Taking the lid off every few hours cause i am on vacation and don´t have to work atm.
Next to the Room Heater. So i have almost stable 23 C.
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Edited by Garuk (09/09/15 06:30 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22210886 - 09/09/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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search on here for shotgun fruiting chamber or SGFC. your setup is not ideal.
You could easily make that PVC box into an SGFC and improve your situation tremendously.
Good Luck!!
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22210892 - 09/09/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You would benefit from building a SGFC to sit those trays in http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542 1/4 inch holes 2" apart in a grid pattern on all 6 sides, with 4 to 5 inches of damp perlite in the bottom. You can mist the trays directly, and after you harvest a flush fill the tray with water for about 4 hours then dump the water out, put it back in the sgfc and wait for next flush. FYI grains like rye do better spawned to a bulk substrate like coir or horse manure. Some good information http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: guyute22]
#22210908 - 09/09/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess you are right... i am searching my perlite.... and my drill to get another few holes 
I saw the Perlite base before.. in some other threads and on ohter websites... but i was scared in case of cleaning the Container from time to time.
But yeah, that was a pro tip i needed. Thumbs up for your advise.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22210951 - 09/09/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck, let us know how it goes
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
#22211080 - 09/09/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i Will do!  My drill is broken Shit... scalpel does not that well.. so i am heaiting it up..burningholes into the container...
To fill the holes with polyester wool is right, to keep oput any contis- Back to work
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22211183 - 09/09/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just a short update i have almost half the holes done and can see Humidity is not going above 91 % - so circulation with wool is already working i guess. Perlite is not applied.
Edited by Garuk (09/09/15 08:33 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22211322 - 09/09/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You cannot go by a hygrometer, they are not suited for this hobby. The best thing to do is build a proven design fruiting chamber to specs and watch your substrate/ mushrooms to see what they need. Also you do not need polyfill for a SGFC, by the time substrate is 100% colonized the mycelium is strong and contamination resistant. There is no such thing as a sterile fruiting chamber and no need for one. The polyfill in a monotub is not to keep contams out, but to allow FAE while retaining moisture and RH while in fruiting
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22211368 - 09/09/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Garuk said: I started with Rye and Gypsum+Calk to hydrate and sterilize in Jars. I Inoculated the Jars with Mexican and B+ Spores. Everything went well. Pretty nice and shiny white Mycellium appeared.
spores to grain can be risky, but if you only used a small amount of spore syringe to each jar its probably fine!
I decided to went on Casings. My first 4 Casings molded cause i only pasteurized the Casing layer.(Casing Layer is about 50 PeatMoss, 50 Vermiculite with gypsum and kalk and on bottom there is a layer of Perlite)
yuo are supposed to pasteurize peat moss at 60-70 celcius core temperature for 60-90mins
They are not thin, but not that big as i thought they will become. Is Humidity to high? Why are the Veils so early opened. Can it be connected to high humidity? How to rehydrate my casing- Dunk or spraY?
there may be many reasons why they are that way, genetics, lack of water etc. spray with water or just pour some water into the trays
Matthias
and finally, in stead of just casing the grains you should mix them evenly with coir+verm. The bucket tek shows you how to prepare coco coir+vermiculite, its really easy and you dont have to worry about temperatures getting too high.
also you need more fresh air into your boxes. I cant really see the holes you're talking about.
Pastywhytes mini mono write up is a good one, instead of making several small trays just fill the bottom of the box with grain spawn, coir and verm mixed together.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: spacechildo]
#22212127 - 09/09/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As i said my drill was broken so i heated up a scalpell and put some holes into my container. Here some pictures.


But as i said. For me the veil breaking that early is totaly unexpected. I guess humidity of the Casing layer was good. Moisture enough.
Lets see what happens tomorrow. I read its best point to harvest the shrooms but i will see what happens tomorrow, the veil is broken but the Head is not opening. We will see tomorrow.
Thx everybody
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22212154 - 09/09/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Garuk said: As i said my drill was broken so i heated up a scalpell and put some holes into my container. Here some pictures.


But as i said. For me the veil breaking that early is totaly unexpected. I guess humidity of the Casing layer was good. Moisture enough.
Lets see what happens tomorrow. I read its best point to harvest the shrooms but i will see what happens tomorrow, the veil is broken but the Head is not opening. We will see tomorrow.
Thx everybody 
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Garuk said: I started with Rye and Gypsum Calk to hydrate and sterilize in Jars. I Inoculated the Jars with Mexican and B Spores. Everything went well. Pretty nice and shiny white Mycellium appeared.
spores to grain can be risky, but if you only used a small amount of spore syringe to each jar its probably fine!
I decided to went on Casings. My first 4 Casings molded cause i only pasteurized the Casing layer.(Casing Layer is about 50 PeatMoss, 50 Vermiculite with gypsum and kalk and on bottom there is a layer of Perlite)
yuo are supposed to pasteurize peat moss at 60-70 celcius core temperature for 60-90mins
They are not thin, but not that big as i thought they will become. Is Humidity to high? Why are the Veils so early opened. Can it be connected to high humidity? How to rehydrate my casing- Dunk or spraY?
there may be many reasons why they are that way, genetics, lack of water etc. spray with water or just pour some water into the trays
Matthias
and finally, in stead of just casing the grains you should mix them evenly with coir verm. The bucket tek shows you how to prepare coco coir vermiculite, its really easy and you dont have to worry about temperatures getting too high.
also you need more fresh air into your boxes. I cant really see the holes you're talking about.
Pastywhytes mini mono write up is a good one, instead of making several small trays just fill the bottom of the box with grain spawn, coir and verm mixed together.

Yeah the mold....it was a green mold.... I pasteurized the Layer but it happend to mold. Thats why i went to sterilizaation of the Casing layer. In this moment i wrote this down...can this the reason for the early veil breaking?
I have two different strains thats why i use the Casings and not the whole box. But yeha maybe a better way. Maybe in the future i will use the whole container. But i guessed if somehting will go wrong i only habe to throw a little casing box away instead of the whole stuff and bigger ammount of one container.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22212196 - 09/09/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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at least look at the shot gun fruiting chamber design, probably the best one to fruit trays in http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: spacechildo]
#22213149 - 09/09/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, sterilization of a casing layer is more likely to cause a contamination. It kills all the beneficial microbes and makes a perfect environment for something nasty to thrive with no competition. This is why we pasteurize casing layers instead of sterilizing.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
#22213683 - 09/09/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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2" x 2" grid of 1/4" holes on all sides. use a heated up screwdriver! lets see some of that German engineering!
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: NDStepp84]
#22215377 - 09/10/15 03:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: Also, sterilization of a casing layer is more likely to cause a contamination. It kills all the beneficial microbes and makes a perfect environment for something nasty to thrive with no competition. This is why we pasteurize casing layers instead of sterilizing.
Yeah i already read about this. But in my case i only can say i got green mold. For me it works like you see on the pics with sterilastion. Maybe some other Time i will try pasteurization again
As a 1st time grower i wanne see results that work for me, and less testing is sometimes even better 
Today i will put more smaller holes in my container...to get closer to shotgunformation... But as i can say- the veils are still open but the heads are atm not opening anymore and the grow in size over night like hell. So far i guess i can say- the more FAE - is one of the most important things you told me. I will keep working on this to improve my system.
In a few weeks i will change my flat where i life. After this is done maybe i will buy a another container and will build this up beginning more accurate. And see if there are changes going on. I will compare it to this 1st grow.
Really big thanks to your advises.
Most of my knowledge i got is from this forum. There are no active good Mushroom Forums in German. So big thumbs up to this coummunity!
Edith says: "I am thinking about getting a Heatmat that i still have here from my earlier Cannabis Grows..under that container to slightliy get more evaporation from the perlighte aswell to increase the FAE. The lightly hotter air from bottom will go up. Thats actually my idea to increase FAE aswell. Matze
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Edited by Garuk (09/10/15 04:26 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22215735 - 09/10/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heatmats are a big no no. They will dry your grow out very quickly.
Room temperature is perfect. No need to heat unless its getting too cold. And then we use oil radiators.
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Munchauzen]
#22216158 - 09/10/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: Heatmats are a big no no. They will dry your grow out very quickly.
Room temperature is perfect. No need to heat unless its getting too cold. And then we use oil radiators.
ok. I will leave it. Your Experience in my ears 
Another point i actually thinking about is that the period of incubation the whole Casing was to short maybe i will let it incubate 2-3 more days, that mycellium will cover more than a 3rd of the layer. And 2nd point is, i guess my layer is a little to less...so i will try next round a little more layer material. Just a little. Maybe then i have a better enviroment for the shrooms...
Today they are looking tomorrow rdy to harvest. The Veil of the Mexicans that are 2 days later placed into Fruiting chamber are able to see but not opening. So in my opinion the improved Air Exchange is working. Some of the B+ Heads are opening and begin to stretch, maybe today in the later evening i am going to pick all big and small ones to rehydrate the Casing fully. Maybe i will test on one and let grow the 2nd.... lets see.
Here a little update from pictures of today:
 the darker/more brownish Heads are the mexicans and 3 pics on the left are the B+ (Yes yesterday i destroyed a Head...my fault... Sorry BRO!!!)
Compared to yesterday Mexican Foto...incedible size change...

and if you ask me ( a guy without mushroom growing exprience) The SHROOMS look more healthy and even luckier than yesterday
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Edited by Garuk (09/10/15 10:07 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow - Some questions and some Statements :D [Re: Garuk]
#22216218 - 09/10/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking good!
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