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Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus
    #22210451 - 09/09/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Habitat:
In grasses underneath two large pine trees, in a hilly area near newer homes and woods.  In Northern IL.

Gills:
Fresher specimens have pale yellow gills with violet on gill edges while mature and drying specimens begin to have more and more purple/magenta which finally ends in a dark purple with rusty orange nearest pileus edge.  Due to the state of specimens (beginning to dry in the sun) I was unable to determine the attachment conclusively)es, etc.

Stem:
Length abt. 60-90 mm, diameter in younger specimens 10-15 mm and in older 15-25 mm, buff in color with purple fibers fading into a nearly 100% purple stem at the base, texture of younger specimens flexible yet hard with a hollow center in older specimens flexible, soft, and filled with fluff (can't think of any other term) Stipes are all cylindrical to clavate.  Staining a dark purple blue.  Think black eye. Additionally these mushrooms all had annuli.

Cap:
Diameter of smallest specimen approximately 50 mm and of largest specimen nearly 150 mm, color of fresh specimens buff with purple brown adpressed scales aging specimens the buff back drop of the pileus becomes magenta with a darker purple brown adpressed scale texture, the texture of the mushroom like a freshly baked fluffy biscuit (roll not cookie for those over the pond), cap shape widely bell shaped with a large prominent umbo becoming nearly plane with age while maintaining umbo.

Spore print color:
Pale orange.  Not nearly as prolific as other gyms I've seen and heard

Bruising:
Recovering the bruising.  The cap stains magenta.  The stipe stains a dark magenta and on pinching a purple-blue stain reminiscent of a human bruise.

Other information:
Smells kind of sweet and doughy.


I hope the photos are ok.  My phones broke so I had to use the web cam.

I'd really appreciate any of your input.  My knowledge of mycology is just a drop in the bucket.  Research research research.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22210873 - 09/09/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It looks like Leucoagaricus americanus or maybe a Chlorophyllum species.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: TimmiT]
    #22210901 - 09/09/15 06:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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TimmiT said:
It looks like Leucoagaricus americanus





:thumbup:  this is what I was thinking too.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Lucis]
    #22213553 - 09/09/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi guys, thank you for your responses.  I agree that this find initially appears to be a leucoagaricus americanus, but they have a white spore print. On looking before 24 hours there was a pale orange spore print, but today on checking again the spores were left and were a dark orange clay color, so that is a negative match to Chlorophyllum who has a white or green spore print as well as to the Leucoagaricoid species who also have [a white spore print] The spores do not microscopically seem to match those species either...  There were warty spores.  The spores on my find are subglobose to ellipsoid with a thick wall and no germ pore.  I wonder what you all think with that in mind. I realize the unlikelihood of an australian gym ID, but given the dark orange spores...idk.  Thank you all in advance for your assistance

Note:  On the photos I;m using my laptop webcam so the photo details and contrast are a bit off.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22214192 - 09/09/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Are you using a microscope to exam the spores ?


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #22214228 - 09/09/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I am Shroomanizer.  Awesome name btw.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22214253 - 09/09/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Also my most recent post was riddled with confusing typos.  I apologize.  I've edited it for clarity.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22214500 - 09/09/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/photos/Gymnopilus_luteofolius(fs-01).jpg

The gymnopilus luteofolius is reported in the state I found these in.  Perhaps that is a more realistic possiblity.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22214758 - 09/09/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Could be Chlorophyllum rhacodes I suppose (maybe the spores are darker because its old and dirty), It's definitely not a Gymnopilus species.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #22217271 - 09/10/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm.  Maybe it is not a gym, but I don't see how it could be a chlorophyllum.  Microscopically there is no visible germ pore on any spores (after poring over them extensively), and the spores are warty and orange in microscopic view. Though these guys have aged they were found in an undisturbed area and were vary clean.  All color variations visible are from staining or occurred during drying.  Perhaps I'll check that area again for something fresh and try a spore print and what not again.  I did leave several behind.  (The cap color changed very rapidly after picking them)  Additionally, the scales on the find are adpressed rather than shaggy and do not rub off. If I had to haphazard a non gym guess it would have to be that Tricholomopsis Rutilans.  It just seems odd that my finds all have rings of varying height and the orange spores as well as cobwebby/stringy veil remnants being found on at least one cap.  Oh mycology you confusing beast you.  Thanks again all.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22217364 - 09/10/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Imloonsformyshroom said:
Hmm.  Maybe it is not a gym, but I don't see how it could be a chlorophyllum.  Microscopically there is no visible germ pore on any spores (after poring over them extensively), and the spores are warty and orange in microscopic view. Though these guys have aged they were found in an undisturbed area and were vary clean.  All color variations visible are from staining or occurred during drying.  Perhaps I'll check that area again for something fresh and try a spore print and what not again.  I did leave several behind.  (The cap color changed very rapidly after picking them)  Additionally, the scales on the find are adpressed rather than shaggy and do not rub off. If I had to haphazard a non gym guess it would have to be that Tricholomopsis Rutilans.  It just seems odd that my finds all have rings of varying height and the orange spores as well as cobwebby/stringy veil remnants being found on at least one cap.  Oh mycology you confusing beast you.  Thanks again all.




Tricholomopsis also have white spores.  Your mushrooms look for all the world like a Leucoagaricus or Chlorophyllum, as has been said. 

What did you mean by your comment regarding an Australian Gym?  Your profile says you're from Illinois.


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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: mountainplayer]
    #22217458 - 09/10/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

So i def see the resemblance in Clhorophyllum and Leuco. But, has anyone thought of Pholiota species? I understand that a big difference is Gyms are accepted to having warts on the spores, and Pholiota do not...though it isnt impossible.

Can you post a picture of the spores under the scope by chance?  That would be a huge help.



I took this picture a while back with my microscope
This is a picture of a possibly Dirty Print, Notice the warts on these spores from a gymnopilus sp. , and in comparison the smooth spores around them.



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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: TheShroomanizer]
    #22224065 - 09/11/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Hi again guys,
@mountainplayer I mean I know Trichs. have white spores just meant that if I had to make a choice on what it was ignoring the said differences in my find microscopically and go with what it looks like macroscopically. As far as the Australian Gym comment I mean that this looks quite reminiscent of the Gymnopilus Dilepis species at all stages, in my opinion, but as you know I'm new and I am learning to recognize minute details with every find, that is why it is important for me to be thorough in examining every possibility.  (I'm not ready to die and I've tossed a lot of good stuff in the past missing minute details)  My thinking as far as it being an Australian mushrooms is this:  My area has had a very hot wet summer much like in a tropical climate.  If someone traveled to Australia and did shrooms or touched something or brought a pet on their trip it is feasible that the tiny spores can travel back with them and grow in a suitable habitat and climate regardless of the continent. (though improbable and whatnot) That is my story and I am sticking to it.
@theshroomanizer.  You make a good point. I recall eliminating pholiota toward the beginning.  I think it was because of lacking a germ pore, but honestly I could be wrong not having a guide on hand.  I'll have to check back into that. I don't know about anyone else, but it drives me nuts when I have a hard time narrowing something down to a genus. lol.  I wish I could take photos through the microscope but unfortunately I cannot.  I do have a projector attachment, but got a broken cell phone and no working camera right now besides my web cam... Hopefully, soon I'll get a hold of something.  That would be really damn helpful wouldn't it. 

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Re: Gymnopilus Sp. ID... hopefully: unless my eyes deceive Dilepis or a really large Purpuratus [Re: Imloonsformyshroom]
    #22446515 - 10/28/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, I just wanted to post an update on this.  I saved these mushrooms for a long time.  I left them to dry for later observation/microscopy. One day I decided to check back on them in a new light.  I learned quite a lot from doing so.  First thing is that to my surprise on lifting the first cap I found a massive pile of WHITE spores.  Hello! I did some experimenting after this.  I put a whole cap in some water and the whole cup turned opaquely medium purple-brown.  I blotted the cap dry and set the cap on a paper towel which then left an orangey brown spore print...a falsely colored print caused by moisture. I have to say the first suggestion on here Leucoagaricus Americanus fits the bill best.  Mushroom expert says that their spores have a small germ pore which caused me a great deal of confusion. At the time that I looked at this sample originally I had a different microscope.  On looking again things looked a lot different. Still couldn't find a germ pore, but the increased crispness of focus showed me a smooth spore and considering the statement on the web about the small pore these guys have and my limit of 1200x  magnification it is certainly within the realm of plausibility that I missed it.  I'm satisfied.[url=http://www.mushroomexpert.com/leucoagaricus_americanus.html  ]http://www.mushroomexpert.com/leucoagaricus_americanus.html  [/url]


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