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Sharia law. Pros and cons.
#22206804 - 09/08/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Saudi Arabia Crimes and punishments.
Crime Punishment Blasphemy Death Acts of homosexuality Death Treason Death Murder Death Drug Trafficking Death Slander Lashing Drinking alcohol Lashing Adultery Death by stoning Stealing Amputation of right hand Banditry (robbery) Amputation of hand and foot Banditry (robbery+murder) Death
Aside from not being able to get a drink or draw their prophet it seems pretty fair to me. Do you think all those folks on Ashley Madison should be stoned to death? It would certainly help the sanctity of marriage to enforce the law harshly and fairly. It would also pretty much ensure near zero street crime (banditry). I think a lot of folks would support this if the Islamic context of blasphemy and no drinking were erased from the system of jurisprudence.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22206820 - 09/08/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It wouldn't stop crime altogether, and there would be an awful lot of people missing their hands and feet.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] 2
#22206833 - 09/08/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lashing is a cruel form of punishment and you support killing all the gays? What the fuck. And death for drug trafficking? Death by stoning? Yeah, we need our society to gather for the sole reason of killing people.
This thread is shit.
Even treason.. do you have any idea how many times something a government considers treason was good for the people?
Edited by larry.fisherman (09/08/15 11:37 AM)
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22206845 - 09/08/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: It's definitely some high-stakes militaristic-type form of governance. Which I can kind of agree too considering our current system.
From what I hear it practically erases crime (although not completely of course) because, well, no one wants to get killed or have their hand chopped off for some stupid shit. lol
The older I get the more I appreciate law and order. I think Singapore has a near ideal system. Add to the Singapore system an eye for an eye and cutting the hands off theieves like in Sharia and I think it would be perfect, because I can still get a drink as long as I don't hurt anyone while drunk.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#22206856 - 09/08/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lets kill everybody
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Patlal]
#22206862 - 09/08/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Lets kill everybody
Everyones dead, theres no crime
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XLCaps said: Lashing is a cruel form of punishment and you support killing all the gays? What the fuck. And death for drug trafficking? Death by stoning? Yeah, we need our society to gather for the sole reason of killing people.
This thread is shit.
Even treason.. do you have any idea how many times something a government considers treason was good for the people?
Do you think cheaters (like on Ashley Madison) should be rewarded with child support and alimony judgments or do you think they should be treated as the family wreckers they are?
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22206885 - 09/08/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said:
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XLCaps said: Lashing is a cruel form of punishment and you support killing all the gays? What the fuck. And death for drug trafficking? Death by stoning? Yeah, we need our society to gather for the sole reason of killing people.
This thread is shit.
Even treason.. do you have any idea how many times something a government considers treason was good for the people?
Do you think cheaters (like on Ashley Madison) should be rewarded with child support and alimony judgments or do you think they should be treated as the family wreckers they are?
You have no idea what people's lives are like, not everything is black and white.
Alimony is stupid regardless.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#22206896 - 09/08/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Freedom?
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Hanz]
#22207241 - 09/08/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That stuff is only enforced on the poor uneducated population, the rich in many countries live like we do.
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XLCaps said: You have no idea what people's lives are like, not everything is black and white.
Alimony is stupid regardless.
Fair point. But you'd think this would be an issue most people could get on board with because no one wants to be cheated on and cheaters will never admit what they do. It seems like with talk about gay marriage and the backlash about the sanctity of marriage that more Christians and conservatives would take the Biblical position, that adulterers should be stoned to death, or at least put in prison. Its a shame to see families wrecked by the millions and the social problems and welfare that result placing the burdon on the taxpayers. Its better to execute the guilty culprits to discourage such societal breakdowns. Moses had it right all along.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#22207366 - 09/08/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most people wouldn't want to kill their spouse for cheating. People cheat all the time its just something some people do. Should we kill people for lying or not wearing a seat belt too. This is the dumbest thread I've seen in a while.
Your name is Ellis Dee. Do you know what they would do to you if you got caught with some LSD? Go live in Saudi Arabia if you think that is a good lifestyle.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22207401 - 09/08/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: Most people wouldn't want to kill their spouse for cheating. People cheat all the time its just something some people do. Should we kill people for lying or not wearing a seat belt too. This is the dumbest thread I've seen in a while.
Your name is Ellis Dee. Do you know what they would do to you if you got caught with some LSD? Go live in Saudi Arabia if you think that is a good lifestyle.
I obey the local laws of the land when I travel.
But the point is really that laws are too lenient here. Your LSD example is a good one. Here if I were captured with some acid I'd hire a lawyer and hope for probation. If the laws were serious about not allowing it, the deterrent should be death, because that would keep me from even thinking about doing it.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Lophosaurus] 1
#22207408 - 09/08/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Of course sharia law isn't a good idea. But it's not only because of the crass punishments associated with it. But a decent debate on the issue isn't possible since most people are not capable of looking past those punishments and recognize what is inherently wrong with sharia as a system.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: koraks] 1
#22207440 - 09/08/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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koraks said: Of course sharia law isn't a good idea. But it's not only because of the crass punishments associated with it. But a decent debate on the issue isn't possible since most people are not capable of looking past those punishments and recognize what is inherently wrong with sharia as a system.
Other than being based on Islam what's wrong with it? I think Singapore is a little better, harsh but fair, and you can drink and eat delicious bacon. But Sharia seems to really eliminate crime. If it were implemented in Chicago for example after the first round of executions I think we'd all think it was a much nicer and safer place to visit. Mild punishments don't seem to work while crass ones do. And there lies the dilema.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
#22207451 - 09/08/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fun Fact:
Back in the day, probably in Ireland, if you stole a sheep and were caught, you would have your hand cut off. If you were fucking the sheep and caught, they would cut off a finger. Many sheep thieves when caught would claim they were just fucking it. XD
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Shiithead]
#22207481 - 09/08/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shiithead said: Fun Fact:
Back in the day, probably in Ireland, if you stole a sheep and were caught, you would have your hand cut off. If you were fucking the sheep and caught, they would cut off a finger. Many sheep thieves when caught would claim they were just fucking it. XD
lmao @ irish sheep fuckers!!!
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22207492 - 09/08/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said:
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koraks said: Of course sharia law isn't a good idea. But it's not only because of the crass punishments associated with it. But a decent debate on the issue isn't possible since most people are not capable of looking past those punishments and recognize what is inherently wrong with sharia as a system.
Other than being based on Islam what's wrong with it? I think Singapore is a little better, harsh but fair, and you can drink and eat delicious bacon. But Sharia seems to really eliminate crime. If it were implemented in Chicago for example after the first round of executions I think we'd all think it was a much nicer and safer place to visit. Mild punishments don't seem to work while crass ones do. And there lies the dilema.
No one would visit Chicago just like no is vacationing in Saudi Arabia. There isn't that much crime going on anyways. I drive and travel 8 hours a day and I never see any serious crimes being committed.
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22207493 - 09/08/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess at one point sheep fucking was on the rise. xD
In all reality it was thieves not wanting to lose there mitt x)
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Re: Sharia law. Pros and cons. [Re: Shiithead]
#22207498 - 09/08/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pros:

Cons:
everything else
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